What ECAD do so nice schematic ???

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What ECAD do so nice schematic ???

http://www.roboforum.ru/files/hb...

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I see no problems to do so with any tool.

Simple start the library editior and define any device in such a way, which you want.

But I see no reason to do so, because its easier for every developer to understand schematics with standard conform symbols.
Especially on bigger schematics it would be harder to understand it for other persons by using your own defined phantasy symbols.

Peter

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My opinion -- I hate "nice" circuits like this, this is just awful. I don't think any serious CAD would condone this. And this particular example is done in Windows Paint, most likely.

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I'd sell my soul for the CAD software used in the Australian magazine "Silicon Chip". Absolutly brilliant schematics. Perhaps i'll email them and ask what program they use -- one with a hefty price tag no doubt.

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Dean,

Can you post a link to that magazine. I'd like to see it.

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microcarl wrote:
Can you post a link to that magazine

Hey, Carl! First hit in a Google for "silicon chip magazine": http://www.siliconchip.com.au/

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For publication only, consider xcircuit. Clear and succinct. There is no netlist export for SPICE or PCB work. FWIW, I find the eye candy in siliconchip.com schematics distracting.

http://opencircuitdesign.com/xci...

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There are drawing programs, and there are schematic capture programs. All schematic capture programs will produce output for inclusion in publications. However, these programs have different goals, and it shows. Rarely is the output of a schematic capture program really suitable for publication; often it is not even readable, or cannot be scaled. Engineers who really want to have a useful schematic drawing of a circuit usually redraw the circuit in a general drawing program, which can be both tedious and prone to introducing new errors.

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Nutty. A picture of the resistor and IC, but not the cap or diodes or motor? Is this component visual identification class? What about other resistors that are electrically the same but not visually the same?

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Sonos wrote:
For publication only, consider xcircuit. Clear and succinct. There is no netlist export for SPICE or PCB work. FWIW, I find the eye candy in siliconchip.com schematics distracting.

http://opencircuitdesign.com/xci...

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There are drawing programs, and there are schematic capture programs. All schematic capture programs will produce output for inclusion in publications. However, these programs have different goals, and it shows. Rarely is the output of a schematic capture program really suitable for publication; often it is not even readable, or cannot be scaled. Engineers who really want to have a useful schematic drawing of a circuit usually redraw the circuit in a general drawing program, which can be both tedious and prone to introducing new errors.

Wow! I really have to object to that quote you gave from the XCircuit webpage. Sure I've drawn my share of pretty pictures in Microsoft Paint (or whatever it's called these days) but as far as circuit schematics, it's all in what you pay for. I have used both Orcad and Protel/Altium Designer in my professional life and both are exceedingly easy to use (for 95% of what you want to do...) and are very "printed page friendly". The latest and greatest Altium Designer will even make PDFs for you with interlinked bookmarks and hierarchy and I don't even know what else. But it is really spiffy! That bit about "Engineers who really want to have a useful schematic drawing of a circuit usually redraw the circuit in a general drawing program" is total BS in my own experience. Either buy a decent ECAD program or use MS Paint. Cheap programs lead to cheap looking results. GIGO as they say... Hell, if your program is that bad, use the old PrintScreen and paste into Paint trick so at least you won't have errors and it will look the same as in the program that created it. And if the program itself is too crappy to use for schematic capture and design, then why are you using it to do so?
-Will

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Johan,

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@whein

you'll have to take your beef up w/ the xcircuit website guy (but try it, like I have, before you do). Personally I don't use xcircuit, but posted to offer an alternative on publication of schematics and give my opinion on eyecandy.

...but Cheap programs lead to cheap looking results? I don't believe so. Take a look at open source gschem, PCB, Octave, ngspice, gnucap, targets for GCC, and I could go on and on... calling another's work cheap because it does not carry a vendor licence is a prelude to a flame war!

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Sonos wrote:
@whein
...but Cheap programs lead to cheap looking results? I don't believe so. Take a look at open source gschem, PCB, Octave, ngspice, gnucap, targets for GCC, and I could go on and on... calling another's work cheap because it does not carry a vendor liscence is a prelude to a flame war!

I'll clarify, cheap does not mean price. I am a huge fan of free open source and even want to give x-circuit a try at home for personal use instead of dropping a few hundred or thousand for a big professional package. But a lot of the not-free ones I've seen are just plain sad. I think perhaps that was where the sentiment came from, but I just want to let readers of the forum know that there are plenty of really nice CAD packages out there that will give beautiful results if you spend the time and effort to learn them. Most of the difficulty is building up good part libraries and learning good practices that make schematics easier to read and modify. There is even a link on the XCircuit page you linked in your post to http://opencircuitdesign.com/xcircuit/goodschem/goodschem.html that shows some very good practices. I find this thread very similar to things I've heard about 3D modelling and MCAD programs. If you know how to use them, use a good (free or $$$) program, and have a solid background in drafting/computer aided design you can have great, clear, pictures and production drawings with much less effort than pencil and paper or MS-Paint. If you've never used a good CAD program before, don't expect your first try to come out looking like the Mona Lisa... To paraphrase a saying from my old prof :
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In my life, I have not progressed through all of the steps mentioned to "perfect". I seem to be stuck on the "drink heavily" phase.

Lee

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Practice, learn, practice, research, practice, learn, practice...

I don't drink, but I'm defenitely stuck here, along with a little hair pulling!

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