What do you want to see on AVR Freaks?

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Hi All,

If we had a new AVR Freaks website, what would you like to see?

Please keep the discussion civil, and on topic.

I know that we have discussed this before, but I can guarantee that Atmel is listening.... :wink:

Thanks!
Eric Weddington

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22 reads of this thread with no responses yet...

Hey everyone, we are looking at this in real-time. Let us know what you want to see. :)

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A working forum to start with, no bells and whistles, just what we have now but fully working. :-)

And try not to go the NXP way where things broke badly for a while and still not working 100%.

Also we like the speed at which this forum runs unlike the slug like response of other Atmel forums (may have been fixed but can't be bothered checking)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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How about schematics for STK600 and Dragon. Unless they is found somewhere else, gave up looking long ago.

I won't say a better parametric table for AVR choices. Seems like all my ideas should happen on Atmel site.

It all starts with a mental vision.

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js wrote:
A working forum to start with, no bells and whistles, just what we have now but fully working. :-)

And try not to go the NXP way where things broke badly for a while and still not working 100%.

Also we like the speed at which this forum runs unlike the slug like response of other Atmel forums (may have been fixed but can't be bothered checking)

Hi John,

Could you please tell us what you think doesn't work with the AVR Freaks Forums today?

I know that we have talked about this before, but other people are listening right now...

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Vbulletin lets you rate messages so the good ones get 5 stars. There are several dozen 5 star messages about c and avrs here somewhere...

Imagecraft compiler user

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Could you please tell us what you think doesn't work with the AVR Freaks Forums today?
Well in my case I have not been able to attach any files to PMs for many years. It works for others.

The member's list could also be fixed (or deleted??), it used to work at one stage.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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To start, I second js' comment: it should work well.

I would like an improved search function.
There have been instances where I've had better luck
using google to search this forum than the built in search function.
One help would be to add a date window for the search.
Another, I've had searches that found hundreds of hits, but when I go to next page it says nothing found.

Another feature would be adding images into the body of a post (as apposed to at the end) without using the work around of sending the image to yourself (Link)

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And if we are also talking about NEW features, the ability to select the forums one wants to subscribe to.
ie I have no interest in the 32 bit forums, the security forum or the ASF, only a passing interest in the wireless forum.

It would be nice if they would not appear in my screen.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Hi John,

Yes, we're definitely interested in NEW features as well.

These are all good comments, and we're actively discussing them as you post them.

Please keep them coming! :)

Eric Weddington

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Very minor point, but I'd like the original posting date to show up along with the author in the list of threads. Formatted like the "Last Post" column would be good.

There are many things that are nice about the current software, and I hope that when/if things get "fixed" they (the big THEY) don't do more harm than good. It's simple and clean at the moment, and I hope it stays that way in whatever form it may take.

One eternal bitch from others is the erratic behavior of the "topics read" markings, but I don't use them at all myself.

Another very minor point, but I'd like the stickies to end up at the bottom of the first page of thread titles rather than the top. An option on where to place it would be ideal. John's idea about being able to choose which fora get displayed is excellent.

And of course the whole captcha fiasco could be made a little more forgiving, especially for those with an established history. Allow the moderators to override it if someone earns a pass then abuses the captcha free lifestyle.

Good luck with whatever it is that you're planning and/or looking at.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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One obvious and simple addition, I think, is a forum for Atmel's ARM Cortex parts.

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Perhaps an option to set expiry on login cookies? As per this thread, there are a few ways in which topic activity notifications seem to get dropped.

And of course, CAPTCHA continues to confound. Sometimes we get captcha'd, sometimes we don't. Sometimes we get captcha'd for posts that don't even have any links. Sometimes we don't get captcha'd for posts that have avrfreaks.net links (which just happened to me on this post!). Sometimes we don't get captcha'd for posts that have arbitrary links.

And, of course, fewer instance of:

Quote:
Dear avrfreaks.net member,
avrfreaks.net has some temporary serverproblems. We
regret any inconvenience this causes and appreciate your
support as we continue to enhance our service.

Warm regards,
avrfreaks.net team

... which also just happened to me on this post!

JJ

"Experience is what enables you to recognise a mistake the second time you make it."

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement."

"Wisdom is always wont to arrive late, and to be a little approximate on first possession."

"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."

"Fast.  Cheap.  Good.  Pick two."

"We see a lot of arses on handlebars around here." - [J Ekdahl]

 

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One little thing, that the 'My forumposts' list(the one on the left), is refreshed with the most recent post on top(if someone else than me has posted), and a way to delete some items in the list.

Last Edited: Mon. Aug 12, 2013 - 10:09 PM
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which also just happened to me on this post!
That only happens at 8am (here, 6 minutes ago, 9am summer time) and I think it's the server's backup time for a few minutes.

I usually surf away from the site for about 5 minutes.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Be sure that you don't lose the last 12 years of posts.

As to what isn't working (or annoying):
-- one cannot post a printf() code fragment without arcane chants and sprinkling with eye-of-newt
-- the last time I tried to update a signature, I was unable to
-- searches with many hits often don't complete
-- if search results have many pages of hits, often clicking on the last page (or a high page number) results in some kind of failure
-- threads with many pages of post/replies aren't able to "view all pages". (And often these are the most interesting/useful discussions)

Full disclosure: I use Firefox.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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kk6gm wrote:
One obvious and simple addition, I think, is a forum for Atmel's ARM Cortex parts.

Yes, now Atmel have ARMs under Atmel Studio, and multiple flavours of ARM as well, it is perhaps time for 'avr freaks' to morph to 'Atmel Freaks' ?

The other obvious forum addition, following from Cortex M0/M3/M4, is to add AT89LP forum for the Atmel 8051's.

.. and Atmel make CPLDs too, so a CPLD forum completes the set.

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js wrote:
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which also just happened to me on this post!
That only happens at 8am (here, 6 minutes ago, 9am summer time) and I think it's the server's backup time for a few minutes.

I usually surf away from the site for about 5 minutes.

That would be 6pm EDT, 5pm EST. I'm fairly certain I seen it at other times of day, but I've not kept a log so I can't back that up.

JJ

"Experience is what enables you to recognise a mistake the second time you make it."

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement."

"Wisdom is always wont to arrive late, and to be a little approximate on first possession."

"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."

"Fast.  Cheap.  Good.  Pick two."

"We see a lot of arses on handlebars around here." - [J Ekdahl]

 

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Oh and before I forget please, please, please DO NOT even think of linking this site with Facebook, nothing much more I detest than a Facebook "like" thumbs up!!

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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joeymorin wrote:

And, of course, fewer instance of:

Quote:
Dear avrfreaks.net member,
avrfreaks.net has some temporary serverproblems. We
regret any inconvenience this causes and appreciate your
support as we continue to enhance our service.

Warm regards,
avrfreaks.net team

... which also just happened to me on this post!

JJ

Hehe, ditto - perhaps too many replying all at once to the question on what to improve ? ;)

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js wrote:
Oh and before I forget please, please, please DO NOT even think of linking this site with Facebook, nothing much more I detest than a Facebook "like" thumbs up!!

So you'll also not want twitter either ?? :wink:

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Facebook, Twitter, ... - I'd say send the marketers off on a long trip while this planning is being done.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
Facebook, Twitter, ... - I'd say send the marketers off on a long trip while this planning is being done.
+1

Also: please, please, please don't "bundle" a new version of AVRfreaks with any other service or site. No requirement to join Google groups, or Yahoo groups (as only two examples) in order to participate. AVRfreaks should remain an independent entity unto itself.

JJ

"Experience is what enables you to recognise a mistake the second time you make it."

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement."

"Wisdom is always wont to arrive late, and to be a little approximate on first possession."

"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."

"Fast.  Cheap.  Good.  Pick two."

"We see a lot of arses on handlebars around here." - [J Ekdahl]

 

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It would be great if the forum SW would function as it should. Now it's crippled.

And IMO regular posters shouldn't be bothered with Captcha.

Thanks Eric, for starting this thread.

Cheers

Nard

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Dragon broken ? http://aplomb.nl/TechStuff/Dragon/Dragon.html for how-to-fix tips

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+1 on the Captcha. Especially not being able to just hit "Enter" after typing it in.

The concept of a Moderator being able to turn On/Off a User's Chapcha is interesting. Perhaps on for up to 500 posts, then off unless a Moderator turns it back on.

I sometimes log in and read a couple of "new" Threads, or Threads with new replays. Then have to go do something and come back later. The Forum seems to only flag the new Threads and replays since my last log in, it doesn't keep Threads tagged as new if I did not get to them on an earlier log in.

I have a separate file with a list of "Key Threads", information on key topics that I sometimes want to review, or link to in order to answer another User's question. Some of them have good technical responses to questions.

It would be too bad if the old links failed to point to the Old Threads.

Speaking of which, it would be really too bad to lose the old Threads!

Was there at one time a map which showed where Users are from? Not critical, but interesting.

It would be nice if there was a list at the bottom of the Forum home page of all of the Users currently logged in, and the number of unregistered Guests. Currently one can see who is logged into the specific Sub-Forums. Keep this. But add the list showing everyone who is currently logged in.

[Slightly Off Topic]

How about a simple road map for the Xmega Chips?

A better parameter search method for chip selection would be great, also. A column that shows the Fmax for the Xmega, (32 MHz), is a pretty useless column, for example. Or at least one should be able to select just which parameters they want to see displayed in there results page.

Thanks,

JC

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Back about Ought Two in the last millennium I wanted to have a directory of examples of simple compilable avr c programs for several compilers. And for a decade since there is a message every week about "Hello I am New to AVR. How do I send chars thru the uart?" or "read the a/d converter" or "dim an led using pwm". So I feel thoroughly vindicated that my suggestion had merit, but alas, I never fought for my ideals. Story of my life.

Imagecraft compiler user

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1) For new users, how about they get directed to a short tutorial on how to use the forum. It could be a list that includes say one must read the AVR Forum posting rules, using it as an example for the noob, and that every forum has such a rule. The list should also include about the tutorial forum and getting familiar with what's in it, don't double post, etc. Would be nice if they can't use the forums until they've gone through and acknowledged they understand...

2) Can the percent sign issue be fixed, considering the software being used ( I have no idea ) ?

3) YES(!!!), to no social networks leeching onto this site !!!

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Anybody been on a Big Active forum like the VW TDIforum with 100s of users online at the same time? They all run Vbulletin. Must be a reason why.

Imagecraft compiler user

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OK Eric, I'll join the party.

Project contributions: these should be moderated here. And I don't mean by an Atmel employee only. We have seen how poorly that has worked over the years. Spammers can upload their rubbish or porn of whatever without any prior history of valid AVR activity. I would like to see the current moderators "empowered" to decide if a project gets full visibility. I realise that is extra work for the moderators, but as Eivind and others know, I have volunteered to do this for literally years only to be told that an Atmel employee is the only one allowed. OK, so do it! Sometimes months go by before a nameless, ok "cleaner", comes by because they have nothing better to do and does their business.

The projects area is a valuable resource for beginners. It shouldn't be necessary to send a newbie off to another website for his or her answer. And if you haven't guessed by now, I don't agree with the new site created recently. Would Kia send me off to the other side of town to have the window washer fixed instead of doing it at their main service centre? No! And if they attempted to do so I would sell my Kia and go with someone who appreciates my custom. AVRFreaks is a valuable resource; don't split it up.

/Rant off

Meant with the best of intentions I hope you understand.

Cheers,

Ross

addition: I think we could combine Bob's suggestion of code samples into the current project area.

clarification: a big problem with the projects facility is the inability for some people to actually upload their files. Fix that please!

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

Last Edited: Tue. Aug 13, 2013 - 02:38 AM
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Rename the forum as ??? (AMC - Atmel Microcontrollers) so that it can cover ARM7 and Cortex.

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not sure if this is in scope.... but what about software framework support for atmegas and even tinys? or some example projects in the forum....

Someone correct me if I am wrong but in general the ASF is mainly for ARMs.

Arduino bundles all sorts of libraries that work for Megas that make it so easy to get started with some quite sophisticated projects. Te downside of the arduino is that you are never quite sure what is going on and the IDE is very limited.

What about an atmel supported libraries for TWI, SPI, UART. Timers.... Yes I know that there are application notes but what about taking it a step further?

Eg to get TWI working on an atmega16 and MCP23017 took me about 2 weeks working without a cro. The issues were all mine and I "learned a lot" from the experience. To achieve the same with an arduino took me about 2 hours.

regards
Greg

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There are a lot of good suggestions. There are little things that need to get fixed, sure. But now is also the time to think big things, too.

While I know that a lot of you don't do the Social Media thing, there are people who are Atmel users and customers that do. I can't make any guarantees. Still, it's good to get the feedback. Being specific helps, for example: Do you really not want Facebook linking at all? Or do you just want to make sure that it's not *required*, but ok if optional? There's a difference.

As to projects and snippets: Atmel Spaces offers a better alternative than the "static" projects currently on AVR Freaks, plus Spaces has the ability to put up snippets now. Obviously we want to make sure that there is better access and visibility to Spaces from AVR Freaks.

And yes, we definitely hear you: There should be ARM-based forums too.

I'm at Atmel HQ in San Jose this week. And we started this thread specifically to get your feedback on what things you would like to see. Many people are listening to you on this thread.

What keeps you coming back to AVR Freaks? What do you like here that you want to keep seeing? What would you change that would make you keep coming back even more? What would you keep, or change, that would make you feel proud to tell your friends and colleagues to come to AVR Freaks?

Thanks again!
Eric

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EW wrote:
As to projects and snippets: Atmel Spaces offers a better alternative than the "static" projects currently on AVR Freaks, plus Spaces has the ability to put up snippets now. Obviously we want to make sure that there is better access and visibility to Spaces from AVR Freaks.

/louder rant ON

If you mean "static" is unused, unloved, unmoderated, well who do you think you have to blame for that!

As for Atmel Spaces offering something better, how about legaldocs = empty, Joerg's test project = empty, MEC (under modification) = empty. Frankly I view Atmel as the landlord who ignores his tenant's pleas to fix the leaking mansion roof and instead builds a tar paper shack out the back and expects his tenants to move in paying the same rent. Am I blunt enough to be understood yet?

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Things I would like to suggest:

I would like the ability to only see the forms I frequent, with the ability to turn on those forums I have turned off, if/when my interest or needs change.

I would like to see that feature that showed up while I was away that requires the user to decipher and input some squiggly and irritating shapes that are supposed to represent characters - removed. What is that all about? I mean, if you can decipher the characters and enter them successfully, without challenge, what/who is it protecting. Maybe a better approach would be a tenure based system where, certain forums are restricted unless you have made a reasonable number of posts - establishing that there is a valid user behind the user name.

I think a library of well written code and a formal description for many of the basic hardware blocks in the AVR and for the more popular peripherals such as the standard text based LCD display, CD40595, 1307 clock, etc. Lord knows, there is a lot of very well written code for many questions that, if the new AVR user could be assured worked out-of-the-box, there would be far less repeat questions on many of these devices. Case in point: can anyone venture a guess at the number of threads where the OP requested help with his 2X16 text based LCD display, or... threads with a title, something like "I can't get my PWM to work! "

I don't use any social networking - NONE! If Atmel chooses to make users sign up to MySpace, FaceBook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. to access AVRFreaks.net, I think many of us older folk might have some hard decisions to make. And even if signing up with social networks is not mandatory in order to keep the privilege of having access to AVRFreaks.net, I would feel very uncomfortable being subjected to their exposure - even at a distance. The reason being, there is no data held sacred by these environments and I think exposure to them would cause Atmel and AVRFreaks.net more harm than good, in the long run. We already have enough issues with spam, as it is.

I know there are other things I've thought about that would be beneficial to AVRFreaks.ner over the years but they elude me at the moment. Hopefully I'll remember some of them, before this thread loses momentum.

Thank you for allowing and considering our input...

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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EW wrote:
While I know that a lot of you don't do the Social Media thing, there are people who are Atmel users and customers that do. I can't make any guarantees. Still, it's good to get the feedback. Being specific helps, for example: Do you really not want Facebook linking at all? Or do you just want to make sure that it's not *required*, but ok if optional? There's a difference.
That depends entirely what you mean by "linking".

I can sense the marketroids salivating over the eyeball time that social media promises. I challenge them to describe to me how that will benefit existing users, new users, or Atmel. Quantity over quality is a poor choice.

I'm not on the bookface or the twitter. Chances are I never will be. Social media has little to offer me personally.

I recognise its importance in the grand scheme of things, by which I mean that I recognise that it can serve a valuable role in the world. Specifically, political and social change, a-la Egypt. I think it will take some serious eloquence to convince me that it has any place in the detailed, in-depth technical forums of the type that have been cultivated here these last 12 years.

The moment any social media content or cross-pollination gets in my way on these or any other fora, will likely be the moment I unsubscribe.

JJ

"Experience is what enables you to recognise a mistake the second time you make it."

"Good judgement comes from experience.  Experience comes from bad judgement."

"Wisdom is always wont to arrive late, and to be a little approximate on first possession."

"When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not unicorns."

"Fast.  Cheap.  Good.  Pick two."

"We see a lot of arses on handlebars around here." - [J Ekdahl]

 

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I would like to see some way to flag threads that are important to me.

It would even work if each user had a bit of scratch-pad space where thread links could be saved.

Reason? There are a number of discussions that were very helpful, when I read them, but, for the life of me, I can't find again.

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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EW wrote:

And yes, we definitely hear you: There should be ARM-based forums too.

I'm at Atmel HQ in San Jose this week....

- and do not forget AT89LP forums, and ATFxx PLD forums...?

Atmel have a strong presence in those areas too.

I'm sure you can find people at San Jose to fill you in!

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EW wrote:

While I know that a lot of you don't do the Social Media thing, there are people who are Atmel users and customers that do. I can't make any guarantees.

For engineering & design ? Really ??

I can understand advertising and marketdroids and analysts might earnestly read the tea-leaves of Social Media fluff, but I've yet to see a real engineering use, or even a technical sales support use.

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EW wrote:
What keeps you coming back to AVR Freaks?

Answers to questions, solutions to problems, and interesting tech discussions centered on microcontrollers.

Also, Friday jokes!

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What keeps you coming back to AVR Freaks? What do you like here that you want to keep seeing? What would you change that would make you keep coming back even more? What would you keep, or change, that would make you feel proud to tell your friends and colleagues to come to AVR Freaks?

There are some really talented, creative, and experienced people here who are willing to teach and share their knowledge and experience. I use this site for their contributions, not Atmel's, since when I want something from Atmel (like a datasheet or application note) I go to the main site. I like the sense of family (unfortunately more of a brotherhood with a few exceptional women providing some balance and class) and the feeling I can ask almost anything I want and not worry about looking or feeling stupid as is my wont.

As I mentioned earlier, I like the simplicity of the site and the layouts. I've seen other forums that were hard to read, hard to figure out the threads, and just tedious to use. It would be a shame to lose the lean, clean approach to the thread presentation.

The changes above (most of which I agree with) would improve the experience, but wouldn't necessarily bring me here more often. I don't need to come here more often, I need to tend to my life more.

I'm already happy to tell people about this place, and I'm glad it got cleaned up and made more presentable. However, what did come extremely close to driving me away was the rather heavy handedness (IMHO) of the way the scrubbing was conducted. I know it was a thankless task, and needed to be done, but it isn't always necessary to send a guy with a g*n to get rid of a cockroach.

I hope you look very carefully at the social media connection. I doubt very much that it will give Atmel anything more than the ability to brag that they've tied in with social media, while at the same time irritating a lot of people. I say point at this site all you want from other Atmel social diseases, but don't infect this place with them directly.

The moderators are the unsung heroes here, and while many of us sort of know that, they get far too little credit and appreciation. I'm not sure it's really possible to give them more active support, but if it is, I hope you'll do it.

And, of course, this place already does act as a techie social club for the regulars. Just leave your PICs, politics and pieces at the door.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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EW wrote:
What keeps you coming back to AVR Freaks?
The lurking is productive; I'm thankful for that for I learn a lot.
The ability to contribute when able or somewhat able.
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What do you like here that you want to keep seeing?
Fellow peers and those who instruct.
How to perform retention of those?
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What would you change that would make you keep coming back even more?
1. A speedy wiki though there are other ways to do collaborative document creation and maintenance.
2. Functional e-mail notifications.
3. IM tie-in though how to integrate the forum with the many IM possibilities we use is an unknown for me.
Part of one's day can be open to communications like IM.

"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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While I know that a lot of you don't do the Social Media thing, there are people who are Atmel users and customers that do.
An objection to some social media is the harvesting that occurs.
If one chooses to self limit to gain communication but lose energy through harvesting then social media should be optional.
Atmel could do its own social media; there are alternatives to the big ones.
The big problem today is how to respond to a USA NSL;
sometimes the response is to pull the plug.
There are P2P social media implementations though how to do moderation and such for those is an unknown for me.
Ref.
Silent Circle follows Lavabit in closing its encrypted email service because it’s ‘better to be safe than sorry’ by Jon Russell (The Next Web; 9 Aug '13)

"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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Forum search should be improved and, if it works, users should be made aware of its (vast) improvements;
formatting c formats should be made much easier (if someone has trouble with software, and tries to post it : he is already upset, and, if his code does formatted 'printing', can be led to utter despair)

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IM tie-in though how to integrate the forum with the many IM possibilities we use is an unknown for me.
Part of one's day can be open to communications like IM.
Wouldn't an IM open this site up to viruses ? It does for other IMs, and when people want to do stuff like that, they ought to go to their emails or wherever and get that started there. Also, wouldn't it just slow the servers down allowing that...?

1) Studio 4.18 build 716 (SP3)
2) WinAvr 20100110
3) PN, all on Doze XP... For Now
A) Avr Dragon ver. 1
B) Avr MKII ISP, 2009 model
C) MKII JTAGICE ver. 1

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Could you please tell us what you think doesn't work with the AVR Freaks Forums today?

Eric,

Are you saying no one has read Johan's extensive posts in the Housekeeping forum on this subject. Also see the communications both Johan and I had with Sylvie when she asked for details of all the (many many) things that are wrong with Freaks.

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the speed at which this forum runs

If you think this forum is bad try the Wiki (link top left). I'm convinced the server runs on steam or baked bean farts!

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but I'd like the original posting date to show up along with the author in the list of threads.
One thing that would be great is that if someone tries to post on a thread where the last post is >365 days old it says "are you sure you want to resurrect this old thread".
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Project contributions: these should be moderated here.

Project contributions should be switched off completely here - link them to "Spaces" instead which is an infinitely better system for hosting projects.
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Someone correct me if I am wrong but in general the ASF is mainly for ARMs.

You are quite wrong. ASF (the component in AS6) has almost equal support for Xmega, UC3 and ARM (in fact using the same API for all!). The forum here just supports it. Naturally Xmega users tend to post Xmega-ASF questions in the Xmega forum and UC3 uses post UC3-ASF questions in the AVR32 forums so you see mainly ARM-ASF posts in the ASF Forum. That's all. (shame ASF doesn't cover tiny/mega though).

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While I know that a lot of you don't do the Social Media thing, there are people who are Atmel users and customers that do.

I follow @Atmel. Most 3rd party input is moronic rubbish and would add nothing to the intelligent discussion here. I looked at facebook.com/atmel a few times - again the discussion there would be far better taking place in one central location where all the experts are gathered and that is here - as it stands it reads like the blind leading the blind. Adding Atmel's Facebook or Twitter presence here would simply cheapen things rather than add anything.

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What keeps you coming back to AVR Freaks?

Can you believe it is the friendly people here? :? (do something to scare them off at your peril - see what happened to NXP's LPC forum when they made a huge mistake!)

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I mean, if you can decipher the characters and enter them successfully, without challenge, what/who is it protecting.

Carl, everyone but the moderators (who don't get Captcha'd) hate it but I have to say the moderators LOVE it. The spam problem here (and that includes some pretty gruesome porn) got so bad while you were away that we were deleting up to 50 posts a day. Now we're lucky to see 2-3 posts a day from spammers (and nothing truly offensive) so while it pisses off all the normal users here because, despite repeated promises, Atmel cannot get their finger out and switch it off for posters with 50+ posts (I mean how HARD could that be?!?!) this place might be a sewer without it.

(and the irony is that when I push [Submit] on this I don't know if it's going to work or not - Freaks has been been very "iffy" this morning with half my post attempts failing).

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Don't mind the captcha myself, especially if it keeps the spam down. Sometimes joke about it

hehe This one is iajai

Perhaps an index to some of those appnotes?

There's a b4a chat for "Basic 4 Android," and there are usually a couple experienced users there. Response time can be a little slow as they're working, but I've found it very helpful in learning this. I can say, "I want to do this but it..." and somebody responds, "No, you have to do..." Has helped learning it a lot.

If you don't know my whole story, keep your mouth shut.

If you know my whole story, you're an accomplice. Keep your mouth shut. 

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EW wrote:
What keeps you coming back to AVR Freaks?

Answers to questions, ...

There are many "house forums" that are also "support forums". Regular perusal of posts by company personnel, and responses "from the horse's mouth". Personally, I'd like to see that here especially for technical questions on actual AVR workings.

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Could you please tell us what you think doesn't work with the AVR Freaks Forums today?

Eric,

Are you saying no one has read Johan's extensive posts in the Housekeeping forum on this subject.


Has anyone followed up on the "AVR errata -- unpublished" sticky post? Has anyone at Atmel followed posts on datasheet errors and inconsistencies?

[The application of Captcha does seem to be ... interesting. I'm thankful of two things: It is a consistent 5 characters and it is [generally] plain enough for these old eyes to see. It is a bit disconcerting to do some "homework" to find references to past threads and post the links (dare I say "do support"?) and then need to go the extra Captcha step.]

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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to find references to past threads and post the links (dare I say "do support"?) and then need to go the extra Captcha step

Yup Captcha definitely needs sorting out. Surely to goodness there must be an exemption list (on posted links) where avrfreaks.net itself could be listed?

The whole thing smacks of good idea, poorly implemented. I have a sneaking feeling that if your IP address is 204.2.163.2 you are automatically exempted from Captcha (or perhaps all Atmel staff have the same flag checked as this moderator account does to say "exempt"?). If the people posting from Atmel were subject to the same annoyance as the other users here you can bet your bottom dollar it would have been sorted out long ago. At the very least whoever "project managed" the implementation should have been made to access with the equivalent of a "user account" to get a feel for what it's like.

BTW on the enhancement list, like stackoverflow (possibly the best example across the entire internet of a programming problem solution site?) there should be voting up/down on answers as to what is the best suggestion and what is off-topic nonsense so the crud filters to the bottom of the heap.

Oh and could attachment types/size be relaxed a bit. Too often you have to rename a file or find another delivery mechanism as 5MB is not enough (this is 2013 - the era of the "cloud" ;-))

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I second the suggestion(s) to stay away from social media sites.
Don't do that.

I'll believe corporations
are people when Texas executes one.

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clawson wrote:
Oh and could attachment types/size be relaxed a bit. Too often you have to rename a file or find another delivery mechanism as 5MB is not enough (this is 2013 - the era of the "cloud" )
Atmel needs to be careful how to implement cloud.
There are distributed ways to do cloud akin to DRCS (Git, Mercurial, Bazaar).
Ref.
Exposure Of NSA Spying Programmes Could Damage The US Cloud Industry by Max Smolaks (TechWeekEurope UK; August 9, 2013)

"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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My sixpenneth:
1. Make Search work properly. Fix the percent feature.
2. Do not EVER add Social Media.
3. I don't mind Captcha, especially since it reduced spam. Obviously Moderators should be immune.
4. The Tutorials need to be replaced by a Read-Only Section. i.e. a punter should be able to get everything on each subject from the first few Chapters.
5. Tutorial related questions could be in the regular Topics. If a subject deserves extra mention, a Moderator could approve editing of the Tutorial.
6. ARM and AT89LP Topics could be hosted here.

David.

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