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I have uploaded a user manual which I have read thoroughly but still I do not understand its interfacing. 

 

You can see page number 12 which has the wiring diagram. The right side of the diagram has the eight pin terminal port whose wiring connection I don't understand. 

 

Does anyone have any idea how the interfacing is going or what can be interface? 

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Last Edited: Sat. Jun 18, 2022 - 10:26 AM
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What particular aspect don't you understand ?

 

The OPEN/CLOSE inputs or the Vehicle Detector-Loop ?

 

 

Last Edited: Sat. Jun 18, 2022 - 11:06 AM
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N.Winterbottom wrote:

What particular aspect don't you understand ?

 

The OPEN/CLOSE inputs or the Vehicle Detector-Loop ?

 

i don't understand both The OPEN/CLOSE inputs and the Vehicle Detector-Loop. 

 

My guess is that the open close input will make the barrier up and down. I don't understand what logic needs to be implemented so that that barrier opens and closes. 

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But the manual is completely clear on the OPEN/CLOSE function. What bit don't you understand?

 

 

 

It clearly shows three normally open pushbuttons and their connection.

 

 

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i don't understand both The OPEN/CLOSE inputs

You don't understand what open & close mean???

 

Open/Close function:

connect +12V and open input ports to send open signal;

connect +12V and close input ports to send close signal;

connect +12V and stop input ports to send stop signal.

 

Drink more coffee!

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Brian Fairchild wrote:
It clearly shows three normally open pushbuttons and their connection.

Manual is showing only input terminal I can't see that button is connected anywhere for eight terminal

 

Brian Fairchild wrote:

But the manual is completely clear on the OPEN/CLOSE function. What bit don't you understand?

 

 

 

 

This board works on 12 volts but if i want to control it with AVR i will connect a relay to the AVR micro. 

 

Now how do I connect that relay to that port so that the barrier can open and close? 

 

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 I don't understand what logic needs to be implemented so that that barrier opens and closes. 

 

You can probably use a pullup, say 1K to pull the open & close pins up to 12V.  They don't say what the pin current is (assuming it is rather low).  Then you can use NPN or fets to  pull the pins low (gnd) & control then by your AVR.

If the pin current is too high for a 1K, you need a push-pull driver, or maybe even a relay (which might be safer for isolation reasons).  A relay replaces the switches shown.

 

If the AVR is right inside the swingarm device, just use a pullup and see if that works.  If the AVR is external, somewhere else, use relays.

 

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Last Edited: Sat. Jun 18, 2022 - 05:12 PM
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avrcandies wrote:
You can probably use a pullup

Er No - Pullups are NOT allowed:

►Important Note:
All input signals (like push buttons, limit switches, etc.) must be connected in the volt-free
contact way

 

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muke12 wrote:

Brian Fairchild wrote:
It clearly shows three normally open pushbuttons and their connection.

Manual is showing only input terminal I can't see that button is connected anywhere for eight terminal

 

Really. What do you think this internationally recognised symbol means?...

 

 

...and can you see where three of them are drawn on the schematic in the manual?

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#4 Have you proved your chip is running at xxMHz?

#5 "If you think you need floating point to solve the problem then you don't understand the problem. If you really do need floating point then you have a problem you do not understand."

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Er No - Pullups are NOT allowed:

Well pullups are allowed, for instance you could use 12 ohms, and maybe have to pull down really hard and hot.  The switch is essentially 0 ohm pullup to the 12V when closed.

There could be an issue where they don't allow the voltage to go to gnd (say the open input pin floats at 10V and destroys something if pulled lower than 8V)--or maybe that puts you into the secret "free parking" mode.

 

Using the 2 wire switch contact "floats" so no worries about gnd loops, voltage mismatches, etc.

Or they might just be worried that some (unnamed) people would just start wiring in voltages form various places and cause all kinds of screw ups with the module.

 

I parked in a garage in Europe at the hotel & the gate arm was always open, so I never gave it any thought during my week there.  Apparently I was supposed to pay extra, or get a pass or something.  Of course when I was rushing to get to the airport, the arm was now closed. So I hit the speaker button to ask about it...cars were piling up behind me & starting to honk, so I was stuck.  I couldn't really decipher what was said, and after two minutes someone stomped out of the hotel & unsnapped the arm off the unit and waved me through!

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Thanks to all of you I understood the OPEN/CLOSE inputs. 

 

I want to understand what is the Vehicle Detector-Loop ?

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For your barrier gate system the loop detector appears to be an external option providing a contact open/close input, like one of these:

 

https://allsecurityequipment.com/blogs/blog/what-are-loop-detectors

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what is the Vehicle Detector-Loop

It's the same thing you have at traffic light, it detects the presence of a vehicle like a car.  (maybe to open a gate??)

 

There is usually a large coil (1m x 2m??) embedded into the road surface that is connected to a loop detector box. I used lots of them about 40 years ago when the company I worked for used to make McDonald's drive trough systems.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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js wrote:

what is the Vehicle Detector-Loop

It's the same thing you have at traffic light, it detects the presence of a vehicle like a car.  (maybe to open a gate??)

 

I think sensor has to be connected in this loop detector terminal only then the presence of vehicle can be detected. The overall plan suggests that the gate should be open when the vehicle is detected and the gate should be closed once the vehicle is passed.

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js wrote:
McDonald's drive trough systems.

 

There may be a small prize to John for typo of the year :)

 

Neil

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barnacle wrote:
typo

 

Not a typo, rather Aussie-English word.

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Not sure but you may get some clarifications from here too: https://magnet.com.my/barrier-ga...