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cheap version of mega48 and mega88.
Are there any known price tag ?
And when ?
I can't find a datasheet are there any ?

Jens

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I'm not sure what you're asking for... the subject says tiny48 and tiny88 for which there is no such device. (at least none that I am aware of at this time, there may be future products with those identifications, but none as of right now) In your message you say mega48 & mega88, which are available, datasheets are downloadable from Atmel, and pricing can easily be found at digikey, or other online stores.

Writing code is like having sex.... make one little mistake, and you're supporting it for life.

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Jens, you can find prices of these at distributors such as digikey.com or mouser.com. You can find datasheets on http://www.atmel.com/avr

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Hi glitch
On avrfreaks there is a note how to converte from megs 48-88 to the cheaper tiny48-88
same flash size
1/2 RAM
no mul inst.
no USART

Jens

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glitch wrote:
(at least none that I am aware of at this time, there may be future products with those identifications, but none as of right now)

I thought Tiny48/Tiny88 had already been announced?

(if not then forget I said anything!)

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Good catch reading the subject, glitch. I just read the post where the OP asked about the Mega parts.

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No he said exactly the right thing the tiny48 and tiny88 ARE cost down versions of the mega48 and mega88 (some of the functional blocks are missing - I think UART is one)

So these new tinys ARE "cheap version of mega48 and mega88" as he says.

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So, does an NDA constitute a valid contract in England? :D

Maybe we should now merge this thread with Johnrk's thread about Warranties, lawyers, and other such stuff?

JC

Edit: Typo.

Last Edited: Fri. Feb 15, 2008 - 06:55 PM
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Who's signed an NDA with Atmel then?

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Oh, so that's what he meant by "cheap version"!

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clawson:
(if not then forget I said anything!)

You, perhaps?
Anyways, just jerking your chain...
JC

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I think the fact that two of the knowledgeable regulars hadn't even heard of them probably answers Jens' original question about availability anwyay!

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clawson wrote:
Who's signed an NDA with Atmel then?
I think suspicion was aroused by "... announced ... forget that I said anything."

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I could have sworn (though probably not in court) that these things had been generally announced. I certainly knew about them in anticiaption of my recent Christmas time visit from the lads at Atmel so I'm not sure how I did if I didn't read it here or on atmel.com

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Ah yes, late September 2007 the search says:

https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...

(so I'm not breaking any disclosures anyway - the info is PD)

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clawson wrote:
recent Christmas time visit from the lads at Atmel
That sounds like it has the potential to have been a lovely visit. Ah, the perks of buying mega lots of AVRs.

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Ah, the perks of buying mega lots of AVRs.

Did you mean "lots" of "Megas"?

Now, there is a current thread where I championed using Mega ( 48/88 ) with "real" peripherals instead of banging around inside a Tiny. But I need to disclose that with our modest volumes, we don't purchase mega lots though we >>do<< use lots of Megas. So, I guess we use tiny lots of Mega AVRs, while others might use mega lots of Tiny AVRs. [Never did get my RoHS yesterday.]

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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clawson wrote:
glitch wrote:
(at least none that I am aware of at this time, there may be future products with those identifications, but none as of right now)

I thought Tiny48/Tiny88 had already been announced?

(if not then forget I said anything!)

Nothing on Atmels device listing, which is usually pretty good at showing parts currently available, and soon to be available. So my guess is that while they have been leaked, they have not been oficially announced yet. (though it is funny that the migration note exists, but still, as of yet, no device datasheets)

[edit]
I'm currently downloading the new techlib, I'll take a look to see if the info is in there, once it's all here.

Writing code is like having sex.... make one little mistake, and you're supporting it for life.

Last Edited: Fri. Feb 15, 2008 - 07:16 PM
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So my guess is that while they have been leaked, they have not been oficially announced yet.

Oops I'd better not say any more then ;-)

(but that September thread refers to a document on atmel.com? Admittedly I haven't checked the link in the first post to see if it's still there)

EDIT: I have now - there's no doubt about the existence of this document at Atmel:

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resourc...

EDIT2: And I was right about the lack of UART!

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yep, the migration doc is still there... I added that in my edit. It is somewhat curious, we have a migration document, but no device documents.

Writing code is like having sex.... make one little mistake, and you're supporting it for life.

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The tiny48 and tiny88 are real devices. The latest release of WinAVR has support for both.

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we have a migration document, but no device documents.

Maybe they went south.

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Can any that realy know something give a hint about a price point when I say $1 for a tiny28 and $1.5 for a mega48.
Is a tiny48 about $1 or ???

Jens

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theusch wrote:
Did you mean "lots" of "Megas"?
While that statement does have a clear meaning, I actually meant similar to what I wrote. I don't known many AVR's are in a lot, but assming that lots are 1000 units, then probably "kilo lots" would better describe the quantity I envision Cliff's company uses.

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sparrow2 wrote:
Can any that realy know something give a hint about a price point when I say $1 for a tiny28 and $1.5 for a mega48.
Is a tiny48 about $1 or ???

Jens

If the distribution chain doesn't have the chip yet, and it looks like they don't... then the only people that can really give you pricing information is Atmel directly. Pricing will also heavily rely on quantity.

Writing code is like having sex.... make one little mistake, and you're supporting it for life.

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that's why I ask for a relativ price !
is a tiny48 80% of a mega48 or ?? (that don't change on quantitys or very little).

Jens

I just called Atmel ant the chips are not relased yet.
For any price call your local atmel, but they don't answer the phone.

Edit : typo

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Distribution likely won't have pricing, until they are released. As for relative pricing, again that would depend on where Atmel positions them in the marketplace. Keep trying different reps until you get a hold of one, and find one that has advance pricing information. Anything anyone tells you here, unless they are a rep, or FAE with Atmel, would be purely heresy and speculation.

Writing code is like having sex.... make one little mistake, and you're supporting it for life.

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Jens,

I can probably get a relative % from my Atmel rep without giving too much away about quantity pricing if you like - but as others have said, it's kind of "pie in the sky" until the chips are actually available.

I'm guessing it's going to be something between 60%..80% myself.

As you probably know the cost of almost all chips is simply a question of the physical silicon area. 4mm^2 is likely a 1/4 of the cost of 8mm^2 etc.

These Tiny's probably have two advantages over the Mega's - half the functionality has been thrown away so even if they were fabbed on the same process you might be talking 1/2 the area and 1/2 the price but also, being more modern they are likely to have been fabbed on something like 0.18um or 0.12um whereas I guess the originals could have been 0.35um or something. Which brings another advantage. But while this might all suggest more than 50% saving there is a fixed overhead cost of the packaging which is far more significant in these tiny little chips like AVR8s than it is in big silicon.

Cliff