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I designed some KeyFobs for my company that had to go be sent out to all of the locations in the field and thought others might be interested in a low cost alternative. It supports both the current Stk500 protocol and a custom protocol through FTDI USB. The Keyfob ability is via a plugin 8M flash module. It also has both 6 & 10 pin standard Atmel ISP connectors, with real voltage level translator/buffers for 1.8V - 5.5V operation.

Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.

Any interest?

Thanks

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Are you saying you can provide the project details or are you trying to sell the programmers?

If you're offering the details, then I'm sure someone is interested.

If you're selling the programmer, maybe you should try the trading post thread.

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If you're offering the details, then I'm sure someone is interested.

If you're selling the programmer, maybe you should try the trading post thread.

Well, if you bothered to read the post you would be aware that I'm asking if there would be any interest since I'm already having a large quantity made up I could have some extras made.

Have a great day.

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Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.
If you are SURE they will work well I would be interested in 1.

So you download all the info into the dataflash and then you take the programmer in the field or bench and can program chips without a pc, correct? Does the programmer get the power form the target? How much current if so? Any more info that can be attained either publicly or via pm?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

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Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.
If you are SURE they will work well I would be interested in 1.

So you download all the info into the data-flash and then you take the programmer in the field or bench and can program chips without a PC, correct? Does the programmer get the power form the target? How much current if so? Any more info that can be attained either publicly or via pm?

If it is the way JS describes, I think I'd be interested in one programmer/FLASH set for the $24.00 price.

Some more details and specification would be appreciated...

What is the time to delivery?

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It would also be nice to know what the shipping costs would be, approximately. Where are you?

Chuck Baird

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zbaird wrote:
It would also be nice to know what the shipping costs would be, approximately. Where are you?

Well... Isn't that a good point! I just hadn't thought about where the OP lives...

I think it should be a mandatory requirement that, the geographical location of the AVRFreaks member accompany the members avatar...

I mean, we aren't ashamed of where we're from, are we???

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Subject to answers to the above questions, I would also be interested in 1 or 2.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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So you download all the info into the dataflash and then you take the programmer in the field or bench and can program chips without a pc, correct? Does the programmer get the power form the target? How much current if so?

It's currently on a proto board and all is working well. I have not actually tested with any 1.8v chips yet but the psu does boost it to the correct voltage, so there is no reason to it shouldn't. 3.3V & 5V have been tested and working fine though.

The measured current in stand alone mode is less then 20ma, although by the specs it could go up to 30ma.

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It would also be nice to know what the shipping costs would be, approximately. Where are you?

Whatever the actual cost is. As far as international shipping I'm not really sure what kind of rates to expect. If anyone has any info/suggestions I'm all ears :)

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I think it should be a mandatory requirement that, the geographical location of the AVRFreaks member accompany the members avatar...

I thought I added this once, still isn't showing up? Is there a separate checkbox or something in the profile?

I'm actually just awaiting an answer on the USB connector size...geez of all things, they originally wanted the mini, but now want to go with the full size.

I expect this to be finalized by this Friday, So the order will be sent by Monday...Lead time is about 2-3 weeks.

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although by the specs it could go up to 30ma.
:( this will probably shut down the regulator in one of the target boards I have in mind. So I would have to do some mods to fit a small 5V power pack to run the unit I guess.

Does it come in a box? How does it communicate with humans? (led switches, lcd??)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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I thought I added this once, still isn't showing up? Is there a separate checkbox or something in the profile?

Well, I just went back and checked again and all the information was still there and I was looking at this big "refresh profile button" and lo and behold. :oops:

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Well, shipping to Carl will be pretty good. I'd take one with flash, since I know it won't be too bad to get it here.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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CirMicro wrote:
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I thought I added this once, still isn't showing up? Is there a separate checkbox or something in the profile?

Well, I just went back and checked again and all the information was still there and I was looking at this big "refresh profile button" and lo and behold. :oops:

CirMicro wrote:
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio - USA

I'm 20 miles East of "Eastgate ", just off of Hy32 - between Williamsburg and Bethel, Ohio.

Where are you located???

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Seems my ButtLoad project is being made more and more redundant each day! Oh well - can yours do the complete Fuse/Lock/Flash/EEPROM, or only the flash?

- Dean :twisted:

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Well Dean, some of us have thought about using the Butterfly and your firmware for professional type use but felt that the set up may not be rugged enough.

May want to think about doing the hardware a bit different even if it means a custom board and a box to protect the whole thing. A few leds for go, no-go may be tougher than a Butterfly LCD too.

Removable flash is also a bonus as, in my case, I would just load up different firmware for different jobs with another programmer and then move the flash to the bench programmer as required for the job.

The bench programmer would be fastened to an existing test jig and could program up to 100 boards a day. Just a few thoughts, you have done the hard slog with the firmware, may want to think about reaping some rewards. :wink:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Seems my ButtLoad project is being made more and more redundant each day! Oh well - can yours do the complete Fuse/Lock/Flash/EEPROM, or only the flash?

Hi Dean,

I think you're Buttload project is a great project and I highly recommend it to anyone. The main things I can really see that it lacks are the level translators and USB. I think Kanda was one of the first KeyFob type makers for AVRs, of course at a premium price...I think something like $89 is the going price and they only hold ~64K or so.

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Does it come in a box? How does it communicate with humans? (led switches, lcd??)

A slide switch selects [Normal/Storage] mode. Normal mode indicating that the real target is to be programmed.
One momentary pushbutton initiates the programming in stand alone mode. Green led - All is okay, flashing red indicates a verify error. A jumper selects the desired protocol Stk500/ Custom. There will be cases made for them, I can probably include them at the same price without the printing.

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Sounds good :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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So, John, do you want one? Ross and I are plotting to each get one (with flash, cases, and anything else that gets thrown in) and have them sent to me, and I'll forward his on to Oz. If you want one, I could send yours too, and Ross could get it to you.

So, CirMicro, Ross and I each want one with flash and case, and we await word from js. Mailed to me in Washington State. Do you take Paypal?

Chuck Baird

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I'm in. Replied to Ross already. This is international High Finance stuff..

I hope CirMicro knows what he got himself into, we would be just about the worst clients he can get if it doesn't work well :lol:

Oh well, I guess we can also help him out sorting some bugs if any.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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So, CirMicro, Ross and I each want one with flash and case, and we await word from js. Mailed to me in Washington State. Do you take Paypal?

Okay, Paypal is fine. You can PM me with the shipping address info if you like.

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Oh well, I guess we can also help him out sorting some bugs if any.

Nah, I'll leave those here, could start an international incident trying to get the critters through customs :)

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So I'll send payment for mine, and John and Ross will pay you separately. Send all 3 to me, and we'll all wait and see if they ever make it to Australia, or if they pull an Amelia Earhart.

How much would you like me to include for shipping? You'll also need to PM me your paypal address. I'm also happy to mail you a check if you'd prefer.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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I'm working on a small (field) programmer too, but not for AVRs, just sending HEX files to a board over RS232, but it will also 'play' binary serial vector files over a JTAG connection (you could program JTAG equipped AVRs with this too) to download new data to a FPGA configuration device.

For storage it uses 16Mb worth of Dataflash that can be accessed as a Mass Storage Device via USB (the device is being prototyped on an USBKEY :)).

It has a 96x36 OLED display to select files and such.

Today I was wondering... it can't be that much work to include the AVR ISP protocol and maybe even other protocols (PIC ICP... NXP LPC serial...) and commercialize the device.

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How much would you like me to include for shipping? You'll also need to PM me your paypal address. I'm also happy to mail you a check if you'd prefer.

It looks like US First Class Package rate would be about $2 - $3 dollars. 3 Day delivery time. Just add $2 unless you want a different shipping method.

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Ok, Mike, you should have my payment by now. I added a little for paypal fees so hopefully you won't be losing money on the deal.

I look forward to poking your programmer when it gets here. Thanks for offering it.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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Thanks Chuck, that was nice of you. Good thing I'm leaving the bugs here, because sometimes they poke back :)

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So, all going well I paid for 2 programmers. Can we trust Chuck not to run away to South America with our programmers once he gets them?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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No offense to South America intended, but you (js) are sitting in the spot I'd most like to run to (well, maybe NZ). Then you'd hunt me down like a wallaby and my life of crime wouldn't pay. Guess I'll stay here.

(of course your programmers might, too)

Chuck Baird

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Chuck, John and CirMicro,

Have sent funds for two (2) units.

Let the games begin :twisted:

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Wow you guys move fast...
I'm another guy from OZ that wouldn't mind in on the deal.

Ross/Chuck would you mind if I added another 1 or 2 to your order?
If its easier for you, you could send mine with John's (js) - I am close by and could pick up from him.
Unless John wants to part with one of his ;-)

Cheers,
Ivan

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ivernot wrote:
Wow you guys move fast...
I'm another guy from OZ that wouldn't mind in on the deal.

Ross/Chuck would you mind if I added another 1 or 2 to your order?
If its easier for you, you could send mine with John's (js) - I am close by and could pick up from him.
Unless John wants to part with one of his ;-)

Cheers,
Ivan

OK, well it is up to John I guess. I am cool with all going to John in Sydney first and then mine coming via AustPost.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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It's fine with me - Ross and John can decide to whom I mail them, and you guys can sort it out from there.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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CirMicro wrote:
I designed some KeyFobs for my company that had to go be sent out to all of the locations in the field and thought others might be interested in a low cost alternative. It supports both the current Stk500 protocol and a custom protocol through FTDI USB. The Keyfob ability is via a plugin 8M flash module. It also has both 6 & 10 pin standard Atmel ISP connectors, with real voltage level translator/buffers for 1.8V - 5.5V operation.

Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.

Any interest?

Thanks

Is this something you just made some extras of a short run for a specific company project, or is it something that you intend to turn into a product?

Did you use the FTDI D2XX DLL for the STK-500 and custom protocol, or are you bit-banging the VCP mode?

Smiley

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I'd buy one. Where do I sign?

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Is this something you just made some extras of a short run for a specific company project, or is it something that you intend to turn into a product?

Did you use the FTDI D2XX DLL for the STK-500 and custom protocol, or are you bit-banging the VCP mode?

Yes, this is for a specific comapany. The run is just large enough to get some decent price breaks which I thought I'd share here. If there is enough interest I may bring it to market. The price would be a little higher, but still quite reasonable.

The Stk500 protocol just uses the FTDI virtual COM port. Since they already have stable drivers that work with all the major OS's it just seemed to make sense.

The custom protocol is not low level, although I suppose you could crank it up to 250K baud or something :) The main reason for the custom protocol is the company wanted to be able to store profiles and multiple images on flash that could be stored separately. For instance you could store pages of specifications to the same flash with the program.

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Unless John wants to part with one of his
Unfortunately I'm only getting 1 for myself (for now) and another for someone else. See, you just have to spend more time on this forum :)
No problem if Ross gets them to me and then we'll arrange pick up/delivery and the long awaited coffe or beer. (I have a new expresso coffee machine, you'll be able to work 3 times as fast after a coffee :lol: )

I guess Mike can pm you his paypal account number for payment. Then Chuck gets our 5 OZ programmers and sends them here. Maybe be cheaper if I get the 5 of them then and I'll send Ross his as it would only be a few dollars with Australia Post for just the one.

I suppose when they are ready we can toss the final dice.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Sounds great. Thanks guys!

Mike, I await you paypal details.

Cheers,
Ivan

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Good morning John "the barista".

Would love to try your coffee, but I will have to take a rain check on that one.

Will talk further...especially about the contents of the brown paper bag that I should send you.

"Ivernot",

I have PM'd you with CirMirco's Paypal identity so that you can get moving.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Thanks Guys.
I just paid for two FOB + Flash Modules

John, I very much look forward to the coffee (and company - of course ;-) )
Ross - Commiserations ;-)
and Postman Chuck* - Thank you for you freight forwarding services. How do I get $ for postage to you?
Mike - please keep us informed as to the progress/ETA
Cheers,
Ivan

* http://www.postmanpat.com/. - sorta rhymes with Chuck ;-)

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How do I get $ for postage to you?

Let's wait and see whether it's worth worrying about first. Or send me a kangaroo.

Chuck Baird

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A little sneak preview of the AVRFOB enclosure.

You may need to click on the image for the best view.

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Looks good, is it a machined standard enclosure or custom made?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Thanks John, It's a machined standard enclosure. The setup fees for custom molded are usually out of reach unless you're doing thousands.

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Hey! this sounds really cool!

so, a few questions.
1: does it support BOTH storing an app in flash for later writing to avr, and also direct flashing to avr?
2: you say it can store 32kb, will that also work to flash an avr that has 128kb(perhaps in relation to flashing outside of the 32kb storagE?)
3: will it work with avrdude(it supports stk500)
4: what is the price for the whole thing (flash, programmer, case etc), and what do you want for shipping to denmark?

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1. Yes
2. It's 8 Meg, enough for room for any Avr Device :)
3. Yes
4. $24.00 U.S. Dollars for the ones ordered already. There will only be about 6 extra available at this price though. It looks like about $7.00 via USPS International for shipping.
Just send me a PM if you want one.

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Update: The cases should be ready tomorrow and the boards should be in before the end of next week.

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Salivating.....oops watch the drippings...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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So, John, did you and Ross ever work out where I'm supposed to send all these units? Someone should PM me an address at some point.

And Mike, if you're (now) a case expert, you should come up with a Dragon case. Not big bucks, but a lot of people would appreciate it.

Chuck Baird

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where I'm supposed to send all these units?
I believe that they are all coming to me as it would be cheaper to forward 1 to Melbourne from Sydney than to forward 4 from Melbourne to Sydney.

My address is on my website under "Contact Us"
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/ampertronics/contact.htm
(it saves ink if you copy and paste it from there otherwise I'll have to write it again....)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Update: The cases should be ready tomorrow and the boards should be in before the end of next week.

Woo hoo - Prezzies for Chrissy? ;-)
Cheers,
Ivan

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Thanks, John, you're it. You get the big enchilada, and I have some things here Carl sent me to forward on to you as well. And, if I can find some Edelweiss I'll throw it in, too.

Chuck Baird

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zbaird wrote:
And, if I can find some Edelweiss I'll throw it in, too.

How about some of Mama's good old "Home Baked" Pumpkin pie, or some Brownes or, some Chocolate Chip cookies? It's the Holiday season, you know...

Maybe that would plump JS up a little bit!!!

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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SteveN wrote:
Are those gonna be "special" brownies? :-)

Those "Special" brownies would have been a definite consideration about 20 years ago, but not these days...

I need all of the brain cells I've got left from back in those days!

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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And Mike, if you're (now) a case expert, you should come up with a Dragon case. Not big bucks, but a lot of people would appreciate it.

Chuck, I don't know if I'm an expert, I'm working on it though :) Any ideas for the Dragon already? Coming up wit h a nice case wouldn't be too tough, but depending on how each person has it setup would change the dimensions. The best universal solution I could see would be to fully enclose the USB side and have the case cut even with the circuit board on the proto side. I kind of picturing a pick up truck now :)

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Well, my ZIF socket hangs over each side by quite a bit (a third to a half inch), and its magic tensioning arm has to have room to move. The socket also hangs over the back edge of the board by a little, maybe less than a tenth of an inch.

A pickup truck would be good, although maybe a flatbed truck would be better. The cab could come back to where the first header holes are (I think).

Others may have additional comments. I'd just like some protection for the board, given all the horror stories that have floated around here. Those that have applied some of the fixes may need even further space, etc.

Chuck Baird

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Any ideas for the Dragon already?
An ARTIST's (formely known as JS) impression.
I had these posted before but impossible to find.

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Now my wish list would have that left hand top piece be full length (covering the hole) and sliding to the left (or sliding off), exposing the ZIF socket.

Very nice, John.

Chuck Baird

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Looks good John, the convertible model :) I guess we should be calling you AJ then huh?

A sliding top piece would be slick, it seems like I've seen something like that available in a stock case but I don't remember which company it was that made it.

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the convertible model
Mine was the "Hacked" model, centre bit hacked from a standard plastic box. Now someone with some nice machinery would do a better job I suppose.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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js wrote:
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where I'm supposed to send all these units?
I believe that they are all coming to me as it would be cheaper to forward 1 to Melbourne from Sydney than to forward 4 from Melbourne to Sydney.

Sounds about right....except I think there are 2 on order for me.

And I need to pay JS/Chuck for postage.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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microcarl wrote:
Maybe that would plump JS up a little bit!!!

Last time I looked at John's avatar, he didn't seem to be the underfed type to me.... :lol:

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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2 on order for me
I thought I'd save you some shipping cost and keep one...OK so there are 6 altogether coming, Ross x2, Ivan x2, Moi x2.

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didn't seem to be the underfed type to me
Unfortunately not :( and my doctor keeps on harping on about that!!

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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And I was sure it was the fisheye lens on that webcam. Look how it distorts the background! Look how it makes that 29 year old engineer look like grandpa! All lies!

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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look like grandpa!
Almost, a few more months and then I are one for real. :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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js wrote:
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look like grandpa!
Almost, a few more months and then I are one for real. :)

...and of course we expect to see the new family member in your avatar.

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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js wrote:
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2 on order for me
I thought I'd save you some shipping cost and keep one...OK so there are 6 altogether coming, Ross x2, Ivan x2, Moi x2.

Ohhh, nice try!

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
...and of course we expect to see the new family member in your avatar.

And the newling would be much better looking too!

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The blessed event.

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Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
The blessed event.

Ah!!! I think I'll retract my statement about the newling being better looking then JS!

What was I thinking??? :oops:

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zbaird wrote:
The blessed event.

Chuck, you prove the old saying about idle hands and the devil's work. :twisted:

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Quote:

The blessed event.

ROFLMAO!!
You guys have way too much fun here!

Speaking of great expectations...
Mike, how's the FobProgrammer coming along? Do you have an ETA?

Cheers,
Ivan

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And Mike (CirMicro)...

How did the "Home Brew " power supply PCBs work? Or, have you not tried them yet?

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I'm expecting the boards to be here Thursday, so I should be able to start sending these out during the weekend.

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How did the "Home Brew " power supply PCBs work? Or, have you not tried them yet?

Carl: I just received the rest of the parts I was waiting on the other day. I soldered a couple up and so far it's working great! the efficiency isn't quite as good as I was shooting for, but still much better than the Maxim part I was previously using over the full voltage range. The combined linear reg setup gives us about a 10% hit, but output ripple is almost non existent. Even though I hadn't added a jumper to the programmer board, this gives the possibility to run the programmer from a single AAA battery as an alternative to powering from the target.

Just in case anyone is wondering, Carl etched some nice pcbs for a new power supply I was wanting to use for the programmer. He produces awesome results for single sided boards, it's quite remarkable how sharp and perfect his traces turn out!

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Could I have one too, please?
With all the bells and whistles. :D

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Could I have one too, please?
With all the bells and whistles. :D

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Sorry for the double post.
The network tricked me. :evil:

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Sorry for the double post.

Don't worry about it - everybody does one at least once.

Before anything else is posted you can still delete the final one. If that isn't possible, it's customary to edit the second one, and replace the entire post with something like "double post," although these are so short it doesn't make any difference.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Could I have one too, please?
With all the bells and whistles. Very Happy

All of the current units are spoken for by those that have already paid. I will have some extra boards so I ordered more enclosures, but it will be at least another week before the other enclosures are ready. Once these are gone though that will be it at the current offering anyway :)

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does this mean we might recieve our programmers in time for using them as christmas presents for ourselves? :DDD

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Well, UPS seems to be having trouble with the holidays I guess, still no boards! They were suppose to be shipping next delivery, but the tracking info has it as UPS Saver? It's currently showing it sitting about 60 miles away from me, but in route here with a scheduled delivery of 12-10-07.

I paid a fairly hefty price for shipping for this kind of handling? Maybe they need to stop by Australia first :) I'll keep you posted.

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We have boards! Too bad I completely lost the weekend to work on these, it's going to make a busy week! I'll try to post some photos tonight if I get time.

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CirMicro wrote:
We have boards! Too bad I completely lost the weekend to work on these, it's going to make a busy week! I'll try to post some photos tonight if I get time.

Cool! Can you post pictures of both, bare and populated PCBs I'd like to see the quality that is coming out of the Rar East, I think you said it was the Far East...

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Can you post pictures of both, bare
Carl!! A bit of modesty please. :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Just bare with him, John...

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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js wrote:
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Can you post pictures of both, bare
Carl!! A bit of modesty please. :)

Well, I walk around the house bare A$$... But I'm sure it's not a sight you'd want to see! How modest is that? :lol: :lol: :lol:

OK, okay, I should have said unpopulated & populated... :wink:

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And Carl was the one having a hissy about the "dirty" LED sex positions.

NICE

Jim

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

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jgmdesign wrote:
And Carl was the one having a hissy about the "dirty" LED sex positions.

NICE

Jim

Well, we all have our weak moments! :wink: I have said that there is no Gray for me... But I didn't ever say that I wouldn't swing from one side of Black & White, to the other! :roll: But at least you need a bit more of a vivid imagination to visualize my extremely mild form of pornography. :lol:

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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And on that note....................

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

Atmel Studio6.2/AS7, DipTrace, Quartus, MPLAB, RSLogix user

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Okay, heres a quick snap of the X rated version. My camera doesn't do the best closeups, but it'll have to do :)

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OK, Carl, Mike showed us his...

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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I think we are gonna need protection........

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

Atmel Studio6.2/AS7, DipTrace, Quartus, MPLAB, RSLogix user

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jgmdesign wrote:
I think we are gonna need protection........

Do they even make anti-static condoms????

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Welding goggles?

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Almost there guys. I'm hoping to finish up the rest tonight sometime. Heres another quick shot with some clothes on :)

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Pretty good. Are you going to put some fancy labels on or do we get the "clear skin bottle" as it were? :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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CirMicro,

Very nice package!

Maybe there is a need for another programmer!

Willing to barter???

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Willing to barter???
You mean you didn't BUY one? Not supporting you fellow Cincinnatian :lol:

I bet there is something sneaky going on there....

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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js wrote:
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Willing to barter???
You mean you didn't BUY one? Not supporting you fellow Cincinnatian :lol:

I bet there is something sneaky going on there....

Sadly, no! I believe I was still unemployed when the offer came out.

But also, at the time I had two ATAVRISP legacy programmers, two ATAVRISP-MKII programmers, two, ATAVRDragons, and two ATSTK500 development boards.

I have since bartered off the ATAVRISP legacy programmers and given away the second ATAVRDragon.

With all of the skuddle-Butt about how terrible the ATAVRISP legacy, ATAVRISP-MKII & ATAVRDragon programmers are, and even though all my programmers have been problem free, I'm feeling very insecure that they all might give up the ghost and smoke at the same instant --- NOT!!! :wink:

Okay, okay!!! I just decided that I might want one of Jim's new toys to play with - Maybe convert it to program a PIC, or something!!!! :lol:

I thought that Jim mentioned that his programmer will accept an SD card, if that is the case, it would be nice to just keep a working copy of all of my programs on the SD card and be able to dump a change into something out in the field, without needing a PC to get the job done.

Also, I think there is an application for one of these at work...

But if I missed the opportunity, I'll just buy one (or two, for paranoid security reasons) when the later edition becomes available.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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Just curious as to how these are coming along.

Pete

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Hi guys,

My apologies for the delay. The guy that was suppose to do the surface mount assembly for me bailed last week for the holidays leaving me to do them all myself manually. I do okay with SM parts, but I'm quite slow at it. I'll be working the rest of today and tomorrow to finish them, so I should be able to ship out Monday. I'll try to upgrade the shipping to help make up for the delay.

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Pretty good. Are you going to put some fancy labels on or do we get the "clear skin bottle" as it were? Smile

Sorry, it'll have to be the "clear skin bottle" for now :)

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microcarl wrote:

Willing to barter???

Maybe, happen to have a surface mount work station? :)

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CirMicro wrote:
The guy that was suppose to do the surface mount assembly for me bailed last week for the holidays leaving me to do them all myself manually. I do okay with SM parts, but I'm quite slow at it. I'll be working the rest of today and tomorrow to finish them, so I should be able to ship out Monday.

I'm only 30 miles away... I could have helped on the 24th, 28th, & 29th. We still have the 30th & 30th???

I now have an interest in this, as I have a deal pending with Ross for one of these, and I'm sure that he would love to get this thing done...

e-mail me, if you need help.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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CirMicro wrote:
microcarl wrote:

Willing to barter???

Maybe, happen to have a surface mount work station? :)

Well, no! But I can solder down to 0.025" pitch without problems.

In fact, I just got in some new 0.015" soldering tips and 0.015" "No-Clean " solder, this past Thursday. As well, a nice new set of very finely pointed tweezers, and a new Panavise. I'm sure you've got nothing that I can't handle.

How many units are you planning on assembling?

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How many units are you planning on assembling?

I only have about 7 left that need assembling right now just to get the "freak" orders finished. The other 100+ do not need to be delivered until the end January, but the person that usually does it will be able to do those. He can do about 100 in the time it takes me to do about 10 with the same quality :\

The soldering isn't any problem. For me the placement is what takes up most of the time. I actually started working on a small pick n place device for these times when I have to do my own. The commercial ones are way too expensive unless you're planning on doing a lot of it.

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Mike, don't worry about upgrading the shipping, at least those coming to me. No need to add insult (losing $$) to injury (having to do the work yourself). The Aussies down the food chain aren't complaining about another few days, and what they don't know about won't hurt them...

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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what they don't know about won't hurt them...
..heh wer'e on holidays anyway. But I need to syncronise things or there may need to be some changes. Will they get here by the 8th of January? Otherwise we may need to change delivery address or there may not be a welcoming committee and they will feel unwanted :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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CirMicro wrote:
Quote:
How many units are you planning on assembling?

I only have about 7 left that need assembling right now just to get the "freak" orders finished. The other 100+ do not need to be delivered until the end January, but the person that usually does it will be able to do those. He can do about 100 in the time it takes me to do about 10 with the same quality :\

The soldering isn't any problem. For me the placement is what takes up most of the time. I actually started working on a small pick n place device for these times when I have to do my own. The commercial ones are way too expensive unless you're planning on doing a lot of it.

Placement of the IC's is just lining up the corners and talking them down. Soldering the rest of the IC pins is really quite easy after that. Placing the SMD resistors, capacitors and two & 3 pin semiconductors is easy, as well - once you get the hang of driving them in position.

For the passives, and semi's, I usually tin one pad. Then, while keeping solder on that pad in a liquid state, I just slide the component sideways with the tweezers and park it against the soldering iron tip. I then remove the iron, while holding the component still with the tweezers until the solder solidifies. At this point, it's a simple matter of soldering the other leads.

EDIT:
The other thing that I find...

Posture is as important as anything. I have to sit pretty high above the PCB, and looking pretty much straight down onto the PCB while placing the component. I don't know if this is the case for anyone else. It might have something to do with the fact that I don't have very good depth perception.

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John, are you moving? If so, I can just use your new address when things are ready. If it's something else, maybe Mike should mail yours directly to you ASAP and I can mail these other things I have for you separately.

No welcoming committee, indeed. And you Ozites are famous for your hospitality. :)

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
John, are you moving? If so, I can just use your new address when things are ready. If it's something else, maybe Mike should mail yours directly to you ASAP and I can mail these other things I have for you separately.

No welcoming committee, indeed. And you Ozites are famous for your hospitality. :)

Na! I bet John is going to Bangkok or Pataia, Thailand on holiday, and is going to have fun with all of the pretty girls...

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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John, are you moving?
No just on holidays untill about the 15th. We may be in or out and the delivery guys may not like us not being around when they turn up.

Don't know what Ross or Ivan are doing. We'll wait untill one of them responds. I don't mind getting my stuff after the 15th just to be sure that they don't get sent back. I still have to finish off some jobs untill the 8th, so I'm pretty sure I'll be around with the brass band, after that I could be anywhere..London, Paris, New York...Bondi or the local park. :lol:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Hi guys,

I remember that Chuck was thinking (out aloud) about splitting the delivery for customs purposes. In which case, if it helps, I can pay to have mine come to Melbourne instead of John's "park in Paris".

Whatever helps everyone to minimise stress...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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CirMicro,
Do you still have two units available? I missed this thread until today for some reason.

Jeff

Jeff Dombach, JLD Systems
"We do the stuff behind the buttons!"
Your source for embedded solutions with a 100% Guarantee.
http://www.jldsystems.com
Phone 717.892.1100

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any news? :)

hehe

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Just like Freddy from Elm st..."I'm Baaaack"...for anyone that needs or wants to know :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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What's the status? Any shipped yet?

Jeff Dombach, JLD Systems
"We do the stuff behind the buttons!"
Your source for embedded solutions with a 100% Guarantee.
http://www.jldsystems.com
Phone 717.892.1100

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Quote:

What's the status? Any shipped yet?

Just was thinking about this the other day and wondered...

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Nope. Nothing yet - CirMicro has been quite also.

Hi Mike, any news?

Regards
Ivan

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Most everyone should be receiving these this week. Let me know if you have not received yours by Friday or Saturday. With the exception of the Overseas guys, I'm not sure what the transit time is?

I've attached a small reference guide that should at least get you going in the right direction.

Thanks,
Mike

edit: Deleted guide and re posted and update at the end of the thread.

Last Edited: Tue. Feb 19, 2008 - 05:32 PM
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Thanks, Mike. We appreciate all your work on this.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Woo Hoo - Thanks Mike.
Looking forward to it...

Cheers
Ivan

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Got mine today. Looks good - will try out tonite.Got to find out about the documentation on it.Good work Mike.

Pete

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Mine arrived, but unfortunately not the ones I'm supposed to forward to Ross and John. You guys want to check into this?

Very nice job on the workmanship, BTW. I haven't tried the smoke test yet.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

Last Edited: Sat. Feb 16, 2008 - 12:56 AM
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zbaird wrote:
Mine arrived, but unfortunately not the ones I'm supposed to forward to Ross and John. You guys want to check into this?

Hey Chuck, don't forget me in there too! :lol:

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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Was yours coming to me, Carl? I forget all the exotic arrangements that were made. Halfziemer's, CRS, you know...

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
Was yours coming to me, Carl? I forget all the exotic arrangements that were made. Halfziemer's, CRS, you know...

Yes, you were supposed to send one of those going to Ross. This was in exchange for the Serial Backpack, and other stuff.

Speaking of CRS, I can't even remember what I did send, other then a Serial backpack, or two, to JS and Ross.
I'm sure that when Ross reads this, he'll confirm that...

We must be getting old. Can't Remember Shit! (CRS) :oops:

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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I have, sitting in front of me, a bag for John which contains:

a couple of your (Carl) breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition (I think)
a dataflash for the STK500
a serial backpack
a header for the serial backpack
a dragon - my addition

and a bag for Ross:

an LCD with backpack attached
a couple of breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition

If I should have more, please let me know. I thought I was going to add 3 or 4 programmers, but now I'm not sure. One heads to Carl, one to Ross, one to John?

Yes, it would be easier to go back and read the 127 posts in this thread, but I'd rather wallow in ignorance. It's such a familiar feeling.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
I have, sitting in front of me, a bag for John which contains:

a couple of your (Carl) breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition (I think)
a dataflash for the STK500
a serial backpack
a header for the serial backpack
a dragon - my addition

and a bag for Ross:

an LCD with backpack attached
a couple of breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition

If I should have more, please let me know. I thought I was going to add 3 or 4 programmers, but now I'm not sure. One heads to Carl, one to Ross, one to John?

Yes, it would be easier to go back and read the 127 posts in this thread, but I'd rather wallow in ignorance. It's such a familiar feeling.

That all sounds about right.

The deal between Ross and me happened through private PM's - of which, the responses to Ross I have, but, for some reason, original message making the deal that Ross proposed, I don't seem to have.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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zbaird wrote:
Was yours coming to me, Carl?

Yes, as CirMicro knows nothing of the deal.

I re-read all of the posts. At one point, I asked CirMicro if he wanted to barter - to help out with the stuffing & assembly of the PCB's. A day or so later, I got a PM from Ross, asking if I wanted to barter a Serial Backpack for one of the programmers that he ordered from CirMicro.

I do believe that Ross contacted you about the deal.

I found something in my PM "Sentbox."

Quote:

From: microcarl
To: valusoft
Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 09:55 PM
Subject: Re: Do you want to barter?
valusoft wrote:
OK Carl. Consider the deal done!

Do you want me to PM Chuck?

Look forward to seeing your handy work.

Good night.

Ross

Yes, if you would PM Chuck, that would be good. I also just got finished forwarding your original "Barter " and my response back to you.

So, the serial backpack and display will be arriving along with your programmer.

Thanks Ross! And you have a great holiday season!!!

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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Hi Chuck,
Sorry for the confusion, I guess I messed up. I sent everyone direct thinking it may save some time and you some hassle.

Carl:
Ross never mentioned anything to me about a deal between the two of you, I was a little worried for a moment there since I had no memory of you ordering one. I thought I had finally lost it :)
Not that I'm doubting you, but it seems strange that you guys would send one back and forth across the country when I could almost throw one to you.

I don't expect Ross to ship one back overseas, so if he'll just verify that the deal is still on I'll send you one Monday or you can stop by and pick it up.

And on to another blunder of mine....sigh

After receiving an email today I realized some of the units still have the test code loaded. As soon as I get back to my other computer I'll attach the original hex file here for anyone that needs it. The bootloader uses my OSPII bootloader protocol so you will need my OspII programming software for the update, the good news is that it should only take less than a minute to do the update. I'll post more info in a few hours with the hex file.

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CirMicro wrote:
Hi Chuck,
Sorry for the confusion, I guess I messed up. I sent everyone direct thinking it may save some time and you some hassle.

Carl:
Ross never mentioned anything to me about a deal between the two of you, I was a little worried for a moment there since I had no memory of you ordering one. I thought I had finally lost it :)
Not that I'm doubting you, but it seems strange that you guys would send one back and forth across the country when I could almost throw one to you.

I don't expect Ross to ship one back overseas, so if he'll just verify that the deal is still on I'll send you one Monday or you can stop by and pick it up.


Well, there was no reason for you to know about Ross letting me have one of the programmers, as you weren't involved - except for the sale of the programmers to Ross. It was a deal between Ross and me - after the fact.

Like I said, Ross contacted me, shortly after I asked you about bartering for one of the programmers. By that time, all of the shipping details about who gets what had been arranged between you, Chuck, JS and Ross. To prevent any further confusion about getting what where, we (Ross, Chuck and myself) agreed that Chuck would simply intercept one of his programmers and send it to me, because Chuck was about to send me a package anyway. In turn, I hustled the items off to Chuck, that Ross and I discussed to in the terms of the barter agreement, hoping that they would get to Chucks place before the programmers arrived.

Well, with the delay of shipment of the programmers, Chuck eventually sent (I'm sure under the pressure of his little woman) me the package that was supposed to include the programmer, necessitating the pending exclusive shipment of a programmer across the country to my house.

But as it has been a couple of months since all of this was arranged, we've all lost the details in the wait.

Anyway, it's all really confusing now...

I'm sure that Ross will eventually read all of this and contact you.

So, Chuck, if CirMicro sent the programmers directly to JS and Ross, I guess we'll need to find another reason to send them the Serial Backpacks.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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I guess we'll need to find another reason
Come over for a holiday? :)

So I'll get 4 programmers? (2 for me and 2 for Ivan)
Ross gets his 2 programmers?
Or are they also coming here? (no problem)
Or will all 3 of us get their programmers delivered at their own address? (also no problem)

I'm confused, nothing new there! :?

Anyway, I don't mind if all the stuff for Ross comes here, including the "presents" from the 2 "wise men". I can then send them off to Melbourne.

Ross how close or far are you to the city? Anywhere near Mt Waverley?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Entertainment alert! Watch the old farts (me being the king of the old farts) try to figure out which end is up.

Here's what I'm going to do unless told otherwise:
Send John his stuff as listed above.
Send Ross his stuff as listed above.
Play with my programmer.

If anyone thinks I should do anything different, please let me know.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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If anyone thinks I should do anything different, please let me know.
Spot on!! See you haven't lost all your marbles :lol:

You will neeed to works out all the shipping costs and let us know. We will then go to the bank an apply for an import loan....

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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zbaird wrote:
Entertainment alert! Watch the old farts (me being the king of the old farts) try to figure out which end is up.

Here's what I'm going to do unless told otherwise:
Send John his stuff as listed above.
Send Ross his stuff as listed above.
Play with my programmer.

If anyone thinks I should do anything different, please let me know.

That works great for me! :wink:

EDIT:
Ross, do not send me the programmer from "Down Under! "
If I missed the opportunity to get one of the programmers, just consider the stuff Chuck is sending you a belated Christmas gift... :)

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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Boy,

Turn my back for 3 seconds and the world changes!

John, I am in Blackburn. Just returned from Altronics and drove through Mt Waverley.

I have a PM to Chuck that may confuse the issue further. So we should wait for his reply to me I suggest.

Carl, don't be quite so fast to give up on the deal... although I do appreciate your generosity. Hold fire, we will get there yet.

Regards,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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OK, I think we are now sorted out.

Chuck will mail to me half of the units sent by Mike to Chuck on my behalf. The other half will be sent by Chuck to Carl.

John and Ivan's units will go via Chuck as "originally" planned (if anyone can remember THAT version :lol: )

Now let the gremlins get into that water tight plan!

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
OK, I think we are now sorted out.

Chuck will mail to me half of the units sent by Mike to Chuck on my behalf. The other half will be sent by Chuck to Carl.

John and Ivan's units will go via Chuck as "originally" planned (if anyone can remember THAT version :lol: )

Now let the gremlins get into that water tight plan!

Cheers,

Well, I think the following:

CirMicro wrote:
Hi Chuck,
Sorry for the confusion, I guess I messed up. I sent everyone direct thinking it may save some time and you some hassle.

certainly still carries some level of confusion.

I think CirMicro needs to expound on this statement. Like, exactly what got sent to who, and by what means - before anyone starts aimlessly shipping stuff around the globe....

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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before anyone starts aimlessly shipping stuff around the globe...

Hang on to your roosters, Carl! Don't let those suckers out of your sight or they'll be down checking out the emus before you know it!

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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I agree. Mike (CirMicro) does not have my address. I cited Chuck as my delivery point in my original order with Mike.

So...I too would like to know what went where and "who paid the ferryman" ...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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zbaird wrote:
Quote:
before anyone starts aimlessly shipping stuff around the globe...

Hang on to your roosters, Carl! Don't let those suckers out of your site or they'll be down checking out the emus before you know it!

Not likely!

Big Pete & Little Pete are perched on the top shelf of my parts shelving. They're making sure no parts gremlins are going to hijack any of my stuff. Or, that none of the parts take a mind to escape my playroom.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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OK, PM sent to Mike from me asking where he sent mine because I had not given him my address. Emus readied for launch!

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
OK, PM sent to Mike from me asking where he sent mine because I had not given him my address. Emus readied for launch!

Really? Do you all have stuffed Emus down under?

Actually, I think having a stuffed Kangaroo (not real) would be cool!!!

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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microcarl wrote:
valusoft wrote:
OK, PM sent to Mike from me asking where he sent mine because I had not given him my address. Emus readied for launch!

Really? Do you all have stuffed Emus down under?

Actually, I think having a stuffed Kangaroo (not real) would be cool!!!

Carl, in OZ, "stuffed" has a couple of meanings...one of which is "exceedingly tired". Do we ALL have stuffed emus? Cannot speak for everyone...personally my emus are not even slightly weary :lol:

Careful what you wish for ...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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:? :? :? :? :? :? :?

Had my first Kangaroo sishkebab a couple of weeks ago.
Not bad except for the fluffy bits....oh no, it was stuffed roo they served!! :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

I'll just wait and see what happens...:? :? :? :? :? :? :?
:? :? :? :? :? :? :?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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John, it looks like our work educating these "foreigners" is really cut out for us!

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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OK folks,

Mike has replied to my PM. Somehow (still unknown to me), he has my postal address and has already sent my units to me. He is also arranging a unit for Carl "on my behalf". So it appears that the emu launch is on permanent hold.

Let the games begin...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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They need a holiday down under.

Carl was thinking of coming in a pine box but customs do not allow wood products in without quarantine.

Need a break, I'm "exceedingly tired"....my stormwater drain system (the literal one) has been overrun by roots from the neigbour's trees :( 100% blockage. Been digging up my yard trying to find where all the pipes go...I'm "exceedingly tired"....

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Quote:
our work educating these "foreigners" is really cut out for us
Reminds me of the April Fool's day spaghetti harvest shown on the BBC.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Ross, thanks for intervening on my behalf.

JS, get some sleep, so you return yo your jolly, funny self.

Chuck, as always, you're BAD, err... OLD!!!

If Kangaroo is half as good a Lamb ribs, I'll have to make a trip to the Down-under.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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If Kangaroo is half as good a Lamb ribs, I'll have to make a trip to the Down-under.
Just get a one way ticket, it's cheaper. After a good kangaroo feed you be able to do "island skipping" and you'll be back home in no time, not necessaily "in a single bounce". :?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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js wrote:
After a good kangaroo feed you be able to do "island skipping" and you'll be back home in no time, not necessaily "in a single bounce". :?

And, what happens when I run out of islands? I'll need quite a bit of back pressure to skip all the way across the big drink!

I suppose I could always pack a "Brown Bag " lunch on the return trip to keep the skip going...

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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microcarl wrote:

I suppose I could always pack a "Brown Bag " lunch on the return trip to keep the skip going...

... or strap a couple of your rocket chickens under your armpits...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
microcarl wrote:

I suppose I could always pack a "Brown Bag " lunch on the return trip to keep the skip going...

... or strap a couple of your rocket chickens under your armpits...

I really want to trad my Chickens - Big Pete & Little Pete - for a stuffed Kangaroo, or two!!!

Can anyone help me out with this???

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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OK Carl.

I'll send you some of our local fauna. PM me your postal address and I'll go out this afternoon and catch you one.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
OK Carl.

I'll send you some of our local fauna. PM me your postal address and I'll go out this afternoon and catch you one.

Cheers,


Well, you can send them to JS... Maybe he can feed them some of that Kangaroo roast (or what ever that was) and they will just skip right on over here under their own power... It'll probably be a whole lot cheaper! :lol:

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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*Test post*

Edit: Okay, I think I finally got this file to upload correctly, if anyone still has trouble let me know and I'll send it to you directly.

Place the internal jumper on pins 2 & 3

Using AVR OSP2:
Under the CONFIGURATION tab:
Select OSPII Protocol
COM Port you're using
115,200 Baud Rate

Under the PROGRAM Tab:
Click Auto Detect - Should show as ATMEGA48
Enter the path along with the file name AVRFOB48.hex
Click Erase or the Erase check box
Click Program
Remove the jumper
Cycle power
Done!

I'm working on a new PC Side application that will integrate into the STK500 protocol and will allow more flexibility and customizing of the flash memory. Such as the ability to Read and Write files to the flash explorer style.

Right now jumping pins 1 & 2 only gives you AVR910 ISP functionality. This mode does not work with the stand alone functionality! You must have all jumpers removed for STK500 mode and Stand Alone operation.

Mike

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Mine works like a charm after a few false starts of my own making. Mike was extremely helpful and patient in walking me through my blunders. I've asked him to post more explicit instructions, but I think this is a very nice programmer and, as smiley says, cute as a puppy.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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patient in walking me through my blunders.
Was a walking frame required? :lol:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Was a walking frame required?

We call them simply "walkers" here, but no, I didn't need one for this endeavor. What generally helps most when I'm needing assistance is a strip of duct tape placed strategically across my mouth.

That helps at other times, too. I look at my teenaged daughter, who loves to rant about almost anything that crosses her mind, and think "hmmm.... wonder where she got that?" Unfortunately I can't blame her mother.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
Unfortunately I can't blame her mother.

Why? Doesn't she allow you? :roll:

Ducking for cover....

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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A small update to the reference manual.

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OK, weekend and Monday holiday gone, two packages jumped into the mail a little while ago, headed for Australia. Don't worry about reimbursing the postage - save it for mailing Carl a kangaroo.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Does Kangaroo taste just like chicker?

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

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emu

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Same turd.....er, BIRD!!

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

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Boy! Did this thread go be the wayside!!!

But I'll take the Kangaroo...

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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But I'll take the Kangaroo...
Darn, now I have to run one over with the car and stuff it...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Send him one of those Australian pipe snakes instead. Don't even need to stuff it - just let it dry out a bit.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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I agree with Mr. Baird, send the pipe snake, easier to get through customs, and if it came from a sewer pipe the look on the dogs face should be priceless!!

Jim

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

Atmel Studio6.2/AS7, DipTrace, Quartus, MPLAB, RSLogix user

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microcarl wrote:

But I'll take the Kangaroo...

OK Carl, Chuck and John,

This one is on me. Just need a postal address Carl. PM me.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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I think Carl's address is in the box I mailed you today.

I just looked you up on google earth. What's that big building slightly north of you - the one west of what looks like a shopping center? (this thread's taken so many turns I don't mind a little more OT)

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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These were making themselves at home where we were staying for a weekend a few weeks ago.

Don't know what happened to my photos, they came out ridiculously small. :roll:

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I've had deer, coyotes, possums, skunks, raccoons, rabbits, quail, snakes, and once some sort of bobcat or some such wander into the yard, but never anything as cute as these oversized rodents. I'm sure they're not so cute if you're trying to grow something you consider valuable and they consider tasty.

John, from google it looks like all your neighbors have swimming pools. Why don't the trees just grab a drink there? :)

Chuck Baird

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it looks like all your neighbors have swimming pools. Why don't the trees just grab a drink there?
Clorine maybe?? In fact it's the tree of the guy behind me (R/H, only pool near me) that is the suspect :(

edit Must be a pretty old satellite shot, the trees in front of my place were ripped out about 6 months ago. It seems that the shot was taken on Wednesday, all the garbage bins seem to be out :lol:

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Ahh Chuck,

You have too much time on your hands!

OK, that big building is the Blackburn High School. Did you notice the pile of leaves on our clay tennis court? I think they need clearing "real soon now".

And by the way, the kangaroo is not a rodent. It is a marsupial.

OK if Carl's address is in the box, consider it done.

Cheers,

ps apologies to everyone for going way, way off topic.

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
microcarl wrote:

But I'll take the Kangaroo...

OK Carl, Chuck and John,

This one is on me. Just need a postal address Carl. PM me.

Cheers,

Carl W. Livingston
3265 Echo Valley lane
Bethel, Ohio 45106
The United States of America

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So,
The question is............

Do we really need another programmer

Jim

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Do we really need another programmer
Not anymore!!...well after we get these of course :)

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And by the way, the kangaroo is not a rodent. It is a marsupial.

My bad. :oops: I knew that, with their cute little pocket pals. Late night brain fart - looking at too many satellite photos.

Sorry to get the thread police all excited. Sure, we need another programmer. Got mine, and I'm very happy. Until someone makes another one, and then I'll need one of those, too.

Chuck Baird

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My bad.
You will be punished by having to watch Bugs Bunny cartoons, especcially the one where Sylvester the cat mistakes a kangaroo for a giant mouse....

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With the exception of the Overseas guys, I'm not sure what the transit time is?
hmmm must have gone by "Koala Bear" express. Not seen mine yet.

Got Chuck's parcel sent on the 20th 6 days later on the 26th.

A small smelling pistake and got sent to Austria intead of Australia?? Maybe we'll get ours today....

John Samperi

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js wrote:
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My bad.
You will be punished by having to watch Bugs Bunny cartoons, especcially the one where Sylvester the cat mistakes a kangaroo for a giant mouse....

That sounds like my kind of punishment! Can I drink my coffee while I'm watching?

And that was a great cartoon...

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Somewhere along the way I lost tract of just what this post is about ????

I'll believe corporations
are people when Texas executes one.

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tubecut wrote:
Somewhere along the way I lost tract of just what this post is about ????

It's a fundamental law of nature...

All things gravitate toward chaos!!!

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Hi John ... et al.

Haven't received mine yet either. Did receive Chuck's package though (6 days). Chuck must have influence!

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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My guess would be that they were sent parcel post instead of first class. Your grandchildren will enjoy them.

Chuck Baird

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It's a fundamental law of nature...
All things gravitate toward chaos!!!

Ok, I thought things seemed familiar :-)

I'll believe corporations
are people when Texas executes one.

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zbaird wrote:
My guess would be that they were sent parcel post instead of first class. Your grandchildren will enjoy them.

No they were suppose to go 1st class, this is a bit disturbing. I'll check with them tomorrow to see if I can find out anything. Of course this seems as good an excuse as any to make trip to Australia, always wanted to visit :)

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Of course this seems as good an excuse as any to make trip to Australia,
May find some boxing kangaroos waiting at the aiport for you :lol:

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May find some boxing kangaroos waiting at the aiport for you

Hah, I'll have to slip in by boat I suppose :twisted:

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jgmdesign wrote:
Does Kangaroo taste just like chicker?
No.

Moderation in all things. -- ancient proverb

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Hi,

Would it be possible for me to get one of these KeyFobs too? I am in Norway.

Regards,

Per-Tore

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Well...guess what the stork dropped in about 2 hours ago? :)

The first 2 have been dropped to Ivan and another one will be send to Ross tomorrow. So did Carl get Ross' programmer or do we have one short? (got 5 total..and I'm confused...but normal :roll: )

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That storks been busy this weekend :)

Yes, Carl already has one of them.

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Yup! Got mine a few days ago...

Thanks all!

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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OK it's 8:05pm and I'm stuck!!!

I'm trying to use the FOB however when I plug it in it comes up as com20.

My com ports used are:

Com1-4 real ports (can't live without them)
Com 5-15 Various Bluetooth ports used by my Bluetooth module. So cannot be changed???
Coms 16-19??? Not showing but I suspect various FTDI com ports. Will not show untill plugged in.

Studio only wants com ports 1-4 and AVROSPII can only go to port 16. :(

Suggestions please??

Going off to babysit and watch telly, enough for the day for a "pop"...

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Com1-4 real ports (can't live without them)
Com 5-15 Various Bluetooth ports used by my Bluetooth module. So cannot be changed???
Coms 16-19??? Not showing but I suspect various FTDI com ports. Will not show untill plugged in.

Hi John,

I doubt your bluetooth really needs all those ports :)

With your bluetooth plugged in I would determine which port it's actually using, probably in the teens from the sounds of it. Then plug in the AVRFOB and reassign it to the lowest port that you isn't really in use. It will always use that port after that unless you specifically change it. This is assuming you are running WIN XP?

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With your bluetooth plugged in I would determine which port it's actually using
Bluetooth is always plugged in. The number of ports used depend on what it is communicating with. But somehow they are all reserved for it.

It can access up to about 13 devices including modems, a few serial port, mobile, lan and what not.

I guess I could unistall the Bluetooth driver, plug in a few FTDI devices and then reinstall Bluetooth so that it will use higher port numbers. I would still like the Bluetooth serial ports to be lowish so that they will work with terminal programs.

Isn't Studio supposed to be able to communicate with more than just 4 serial ports now??

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Isn't Studio supposed to be able to communicate with more than just 4 serial ports now??

About as well as Js, Jr Jr is communicating right now - a lot of crying, and a good deal of poop.

Chuck Baird

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I show COM 1 - 9 as options in AVR Studio here. I have the latest beta version installed.

I've never really used Bluetooth so I wouldn't feel comfortable trying to give you any advice there :| From your description I guess it can run more than one device simultaneously?

The version of OSPII I'm working on now will enumerate any available ports, but still give you the option of manually entering a port just in case. If you need or want an early copy let me know?

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About as well as Js, Jr Jr is communicating right now
Yep digital mode.
Happy=
Unhappy=ONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONEONE (read it loud)

So I plugged in the other FOB and guess what? It comes up as port 21 :roll:
It seesm that EVERY FTDI chip will get his own port number :( and of course I will soon get into port 256 :(

I have 4 boards that I have designed with the FTDI chips and they ALL have their unique serial port number it seems. 16-19

So what happens when one goes into production and wants to test 1000 boards???

Surely there must be a way of limiting the port numbers....more confused than ever....

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If you need or want an early copy let me know?
I may need to, thanks, untill I sort out this mess.
So if you have tested 20 FOBs do you have 20 serial ports chewed up? What happens when you plug the 21st? Does it get a new port numer assigned? May want to try this out please.

John Samperi

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js wrote:
It seesm that EVERY FTDI chip will get his own port number :( and of course I will soon get into port 256 :(

So what happens when one goes into production and wants to test 1000 boards???

Surely there must be a way of limiting the port numbers....more confused than ever...

Dear confused,

If a production product involves the incorporation of an FTDI USB-->RS-232 converter, Windows will select a unique communications port. It seems Windows remembers the signature of a particular FTDI USB device. When a second, third, fourth, etc. FTDI USB controller is connected to Windows, each device will assume the communications port that Windows originally assigned to that device.

So for a production situation, be prepared to keep the "System/Hardware" configuration window active. As each new FTDI USB production device is connected, simply re-assign the new FTDI USB device a free communications port.

With the systems at the house, I have disabled COM2: & COM3:. In fact, I've deleted the MODEM driver, as well as disabled the physical COMM port to it.

I use COM3: for any device that is transitional or experimental. Other more permanent FTDI devices are usually assigned a communications port above this, so as not to conflict with each other or anything else.

Manually changing the communications port isn't really a big deal anyway, as the BAUD rate usually needs to be changed, as well.

In the course of any given project, I have 3 ATAVRISP-MKII programmers, 3 FTDI USB-->RS-232 adapters, an FTDI based USB oscilloscope, a dragon (doesn't count - not FTDI), two (new additions) of smileymicros BBUSB modules, all trade places (in the course of a given project) on virtual communications ports COM2 to COM4 via a USB2.0 seven port hub. Proper assignment is a cinch, really.

And another note. At work, we are getting more and more USB based devices to program & test assemblies. I finally had to put a USB hub, not only for the added USB ports, but even more so, for the protection of the test PC.

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So if you have tested 20 FOBs do you have 20 serial ports chewed up? What happens when you plug the 21st? Does it get a new port numer assigned? May want to try this out please.

Well, I cheated a little when I programmed them. I set the FTDI chips all to the same serial number did my programming and testing and then reset them back to auto generate a new number. I still had to clear out the "in use" ports that would show on initial plug in.

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:roll: ..still confused...

So I unistalled the Bluetooth modules, now the programmers come up as com 5 and 6. (after unistalling them as 20 and 21)

AVROSP does not seem to detect them in any mode.

However Studio will detect them on the correct port numbers in Auto mode. The dropdown menu still shows only 1-4 :(

The programming seems to do something but verification fails with data reported as 0x00.

Still trying...

So are we saying that we need to assign the SAME serial numbers to the FTDI chips during the initial test/setup so that all similar devices appear on the same port number?

Ideally one would want a physical connector to be assigned a port number like a real RS232 but that cannot happen I suppose.

So, every time a new FTDI chip is plugged in one needs to go to the control panel> system> device manager and find out the port number for it? I'll need to get my old brain around this....

John Samperi

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js wrote:
:roll: ..still confused...

So I unistalled the Bluetooth modules, now the programmers come up as com 5 and 6. (after unistalling them as 20 and 21)

AVROSP does not seem to detect them in any mode.

However Studio will detect them on the correct port numbers in Auto mode. The dropdown menu still shows only 1-4 :(

The programming seems to do something but verification fails with data reported as 0x00.

Still trying...

So are we saying that we need to assign the SAME serial numbers to the FTDI chips during the initial test/setup so that all similar devices appear on the same port number?

Ideally one would want a physical connector to be assigned a port number like a real RS232 but that cannot happen I suppose.

So, every time a new FTDI chip is plugged in one needs to go to the control panel> system> device manager and find out the port number for it? I'll need to get my old brain around this....

Right now, I've assigned my AVRFOB to COM2:

And, I also see an issue with verify.

In addition, while it seems to actually program the target device directly, it won't verify.

When switched to "Memory " mode, it appears to write the device, but a verify fails.

When I disconnect the USB cable and try to program in "Stand-alone " mode, the Red LED flashes a couple of times - nowhere near the length of time it takes to program the same device in "Standard Programing " mode.

When setting the ISP programming frequency, it keeps defaulting to the second to the fastest - like the issue with the Dragon ISP programming frequency.

When I try to program the fuses in "Standard " mode, reading them back seems to be correct. But in "Stand-alone " mode, they come back looking like this was a virgin controller, I.e. JTAG and other bits are at default. Same for the security bits.

I guess a better understanding of what is actually happening during each process would help.

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Hmmm...When programming the on board flash are you making sure the checkbox for erase device before programming is UNCHECKED ?

Also, I forgot to mention a really important piece of information! The ISP speeds selected will actually be double that. This may be the cause of the verify errors. Sorry about that...
The update to AVROSP will give you the option of setting it to single speed or double speed.

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OK,

My AVRFob has just arrived. Thanks John, Chuck, Carl and Mike. (Sounds like a cast of 1000s doesn't it. Did I forget to thank my kinder teacher?).

I think that I will sit a while and watch the ensuing drama play out before I venture into testing anything. Looks messy/uncertain so far from this vantage point.

But Mike, the unit looks good (already opened and inspected it).

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Thanks John, Chuck, Carl and Mike.
...been nominated for the academy awards are we?? :)

I guess it will all come good. By the way I suppose we have the latest firmware already installed?

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CirMicro wrote:
Hmmm...When programming the on board flash are you making sure the checkbox for erase device before programming is UNCHECKED ?

Oops! I always keep it checked. I'll give that a try...

CirMicro wrote:
Also, I forgot to mention a really important piece of information! The ISP speeds selected will actually be double that. This may be the cause of the verify errors. Sorry about that...
The update to AVROSP will give you the option of setting it to single speed or double speed.

As I'm really coming into this discussion a bit late, Where are the updates located?

And, how is the AVRFOP\B updated - In AVRStudio? I noticed in the instructions that there was some mention of jumper selections. Set the jumper to "Firmware Update " and then dump the update into the thing using AVRStudio?

One other thing I do notice, as well. When I instruct the AVRFOB to program, imediately followed be a verify, the verify seems to work correctly. But if I simply do a veriy - without programming - the verify fails - in both modes.

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CirMicro wrote:
Hmmm...When programming the on board flash are you making sure the checkbox for erase device before programming is UNCHECKED ?

Carl wrote:

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Always!

Are you sure you read that right Carl?

You DO NOT want "erase before programming checked"

The reason is that the flash takes longer than Avr Studio allows for to erase, So Avr Studio has already started programming while the flash is in the middle of an erase. The fact that Avr Studio verifies correctly shows there is bug in Avr Studio :)

This is really the only thing different that needs to be done as far as programming the on board flash.

The units you guys have should be the latest release. The firmware is updated though by placing the jumper across pins 2 & 3 and using OSPII to program it.

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