Is there a need for another programmer?

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microcarl wrote:

Willing to barter???

Maybe, happen to have a surface mount work station? :)

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CirMicro wrote:
The guy that was suppose to do the surface mount assembly for me bailed last week for the holidays leaving me to do them all myself manually. I do okay with SM parts, but I'm quite slow at it. I'll be working the rest of today and tomorrow to finish them, so I should be able to ship out Monday.

I'm only 30 miles away... I could have helped on the 24th, 28th, & 29th. We still have the 30th & 30th???

I now have an interest in this, as I have a deal pending with Ross for one of these, and I'm sure that he would love to get this thing done...

e-mail me, if you need help.

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CirMicro wrote:
microcarl wrote:

Willing to barter???

Maybe, happen to have a surface mount work station? :)

Well, no! But I can solder down to 0.025" pitch without problems.

In fact, I just got in some new 0.015" soldering tips and 0.015" "No-Clean " solder, this past Thursday. As well, a nice new set of very finely pointed tweezers, and a new Panavise. I'm sure you've got nothing that I can't handle.

How many units are you planning on assembling?

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How many units are you planning on assembling?

I only have about 7 left that need assembling right now just to get the "freak" orders finished. The other 100+ do not need to be delivered until the end January, but the person that usually does it will be able to do those. He can do about 100 in the time it takes me to do about 10 with the same quality :\

The soldering isn't any problem. For me the placement is what takes up most of the time. I actually started working on a small pick n place device for these times when I have to do my own. The commercial ones are way too expensive unless you're planning on doing a lot of it.

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Mike, don't worry about upgrading the shipping, at least those coming to me. No need to add insult (losing $$) to injury (having to do the work yourself). The Aussies down the food chain aren't complaining about another few days, and what they don't know about won't hurt them...

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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what they don't know about won't hurt them...
..heh wer'e on holidays anyway. But I need to syncronise things or there may need to be some changes. Will they get here by the 8th of January? Otherwise we may need to change delivery address or there may not be a welcoming committee and they will feel unwanted :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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CirMicro wrote:
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How many units are you planning on assembling?

I only have about 7 left that need assembling right now just to get the "freak" orders finished. The other 100+ do not need to be delivered until the end January, but the person that usually does it will be able to do those. He can do about 100 in the time it takes me to do about 10 with the same quality :\

The soldering isn't any problem. For me the placement is what takes up most of the time. I actually started working on a small pick n place device for these times when I have to do my own. The commercial ones are way too expensive unless you're planning on doing a lot of it.

Placement of the IC's is just lining up the corners and talking them down. Soldering the rest of the IC pins is really quite easy after that. Placing the SMD resistors, capacitors and two & 3 pin semiconductors is easy, as well - once you get the hang of driving them in position.

For the passives, and semi's, I usually tin one pad. Then, while keeping solder on that pad in a liquid state, I just slide the component sideways with the tweezers and park it against the soldering iron tip. I then remove the iron, while holding the component still with the tweezers until the solder solidifies. At this point, it's a simple matter of soldering the other leads.

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The other thing that I find...

Posture is as important as anything. I have to sit pretty high above the PCB, and looking pretty much straight down onto the PCB while placing the component. I don't know if this is the case for anyone else. It might have something to do with the fact that I don't have very good depth perception.

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John, are you moving? If so, I can just use your new address when things are ready. If it's something else, maybe Mike should mail yours directly to you ASAP and I can mail these other things I have for you separately.

No welcoming committee, indeed. And you Ozites are famous for your hospitality. :)

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
John, are you moving? If so, I can just use your new address when things are ready. If it's something else, maybe Mike should mail yours directly to you ASAP and I can mail these other things I have for you separately.

No welcoming committee, indeed. And you Ozites are famous for your hospitality. :)

Na! I bet John is going to Bangkok or Pataia, Thailand on holiday, and is going to have fun with all of the pretty girls...

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John, are you moving?
No just on holidays untill about the 15th. We may be in or out and the delivery guys may not like us not being around when they turn up.

Don't know what Ross or Ivan are doing. We'll wait untill one of them responds. I don't mind getting my stuff after the 15th just to be sure that they don't get sent back. I still have to finish off some jobs untill the 8th, so I'm pretty sure I'll be around with the brass band, after that I could be anywhere..London, Paris, New York...Bondi or the local park. :lol:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Hi guys,

I remember that Chuck was thinking (out aloud) about splitting the delivery for customs purposes. In which case, if it helps, I can pay to have mine come to Melbourne instead of John's "park in Paris".

Whatever helps everyone to minimise stress...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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CirMicro,
Do you still have two units available? I missed this thread until today for some reason.

Jeff

Jeff Dombach, JLD Systems
"We do the stuff behind the buttons!"
Your source for embedded solutions with a 100% Guarantee.
http://www.jldsystems.com
Phone 717.892.1100

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any news? :)

hehe

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Just like Freddy from Elm st..."I'm Baaaack"...for anyone that needs or wants to know :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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What's the status? Any shipped yet?

Jeff Dombach, JLD Systems
"We do the stuff behind the buttons!"
Your source for embedded solutions with a 100% Guarantee.
http://www.jldsystems.com
Phone 717.892.1100

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What's the status? Any shipped yet?

Just was thinking about this the other day and wondered...

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Nope. Nothing yet - CirMicro has been quite also.

Hi Mike, any news?

Regards
Ivan

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Most everyone should be receiving these this week. Let me know if you have not received yours by Friday or Saturday. With the exception of the Overseas guys, I'm not sure what the transit time is?

I've attached a small reference guide that should at least get you going in the right direction.

Thanks,
Mike

edit: Deleted guide and re posted and update at the end of the thread.

Last Edited: Tue. Feb 19, 2008 - 05:32 PM
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Thanks, Mike. We appreciate all your work on this.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Woo Hoo - Thanks Mike.
Looking forward to it...

Cheers
Ivan

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Got mine today. Looks good - will try out tonite.Got to find out about the documentation on it.Good work Mike.

Pete

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Mine arrived, but unfortunately not the ones I'm supposed to forward to Ross and John. You guys want to check into this?

Very nice job on the workmanship, BTW. I haven't tried the smoke test yet.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

Last Edited: Sat. Feb 16, 2008 - 12:56 AM
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zbaird wrote:
Mine arrived, but unfortunately not the ones I'm supposed to forward to Ross and John. You guys want to check into this?

Hey Chuck, don't forget me in there too! :lol:

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Was yours coming to me, Carl? I forget all the exotic arrangements that were made. Halfziemer's, CRS, you know...

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
Was yours coming to me, Carl? I forget all the exotic arrangements that were made. Halfziemer's, CRS, you know...

Yes, you were supposed to send one of those going to Ross. This was in exchange for the Serial Backpack, and other stuff.

Speaking of CRS, I can't even remember what I did send, other then a Serial backpack, or two, to JS and Ross.
I'm sure that when Ross reads this, he'll confirm that...

We must be getting old. Can't Remember Shit! (CRS) :oops:

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I have, sitting in front of me, a bag for John which contains:

a couple of your (Carl) breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition (I think)
a dataflash for the STK500
a serial backpack
a header for the serial backpack
a dragon - my addition

and a bag for Ross:

an LCD with backpack attached
a couple of breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition

If I should have more, please let me know. I thought I was going to add 3 or 4 programmers, but now I'm not sure. One heads to Carl, one to Ross, one to John?

Yes, it would be easier to go back and read the 127 posts in this thread, but I'd rather wallow in ignorance. It's such a familiar feeling.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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zbaird wrote:
I have, sitting in front of me, a bag for John which contains:

a couple of your (Carl) breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition (I think)
a dataflash for the STK500
a serial backpack
a header for the serial backpack
a dragon - my addition

and a bag for Ross:

an LCD with backpack attached
a couple of breadboard/ISP connectors - my addition

If I should have more, please let me know. I thought I was going to add 3 or 4 programmers, but now I'm not sure. One heads to Carl, one to Ross, one to John?

Yes, it would be easier to go back and read the 127 posts in this thread, but I'd rather wallow in ignorance. It's such a familiar feeling.

That all sounds about right.

The deal between Ross and me happened through private PM's - of which, the responses to Ross I have, but, for some reason, original message making the deal that Ross proposed, I don't seem to have.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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zbaird wrote:
Was yours coming to me, Carl?

Yes, as CirMicro knows nothing of the deal.

I re-read all of the posts. At one point, I asked CirMicro if he wanted to barter - to help out with the stuffing & assembly of the PCB's. A day or so later, I got a PM from Ross, asking if I wanted to barter a Serial Backpack for one of the programmers that he ordered from CirMicro.

I do believe that Ross contacted you about the deal.

I found something in my PM "Sentbox."

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From: microcarl
To: valusoft
Posted: Dec 14, 2007 - 09:55 PM
Subject: Re: Do you want to barter?
valusoft wrote:
OK Carl. Consider the deal done!

Do you want me to PM Chuck?

Look forward to seeing your handy work.

Good night.

Ross

Yes, if you would PM Chuck, that would be good. I also just got finished forwarding your original "Barter " and my response back to you.

So, the serial backpack and display will be arriving along with your programmer.

Thanks Ross! And you have a great holiday season!!!

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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Hi Chuck,
Sorry for the confusion, I guess I messed up. I sent everyone direct thinking it may save some time and you some hassle.

Carl:
Ross never mentioned anything to me about a deal between the two of you, I was a little worried for a moment there since I had no memory of you ordering one. I thought I had finally lost it :)
Not that I'm doubting you, but it seems strange that you guys would send one back and forth across the country when I could almost throw one to you.

I don't expect Ross to ship one back overseas, so if he'll just verify that the deal is still on I'll send you one Monday or you can stop by and pick it up.

And on to another blunder of mine....sigh

After receiving an email today I realized some of the units still have the test code loaded. As soon as I get back to my other computer I'll attach the original hex file here for anyone that needs it. The bootloader uses my OSPII bootloader protocol so you will need my OspII programming software for the update, the good news is that it should only take less than a minute to do the update. I'll post more info in a few hours with the hex file.

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CirMicro wrote:
Hi Chuck,
Sorry for the confusion, I guess I messed up. I sent everyone direct thinking it may save some time and you some hassle.

Carl:
Ross never mentioned anything to me about a deal between the two of you, I was a little worried for a moment there since I had no memory of you ordering one. I thought I had finally lost it :)
Not that I'm doubting you, but it seems strange that you guys would send one back and forth across the country when I could almost throw one to you.

I don't expect Ross to ship one back overseas, so if he'll just verify that the deal is still on I'll send you one Monday or you can stop by and pick it up.


Well, there was no reason for you to know about Ross letting me have one of the programmers, as you weren't involved - except for the sale of the programmers to Ross. It was a deal between Ross and me - after the fact.

Like I said, Ross contacted me, shortly after I asked you about bartering for one of the programmers. By that time, all of the shipping details about who gets what had been arranged between you, Chuck, JS and Ross. To prevent any further confusion about getting what where, we (Ross, Chuck and myself) agreed that Chuck would simply intercept one of his programmers and send it to me, because Chuck was about to send me a package anyway. In turn, I hustled the items off to Chuck, that Ross and I discussed to in the terms of the barter agreement, hoping that they would get to Chucks place before the programmers arrived.

Well, with the delay of shipment of the programmers, Chuck eventually sent (I'm sure under the pressure of his little woman) me the package that was supposed to include the programmer, necessitating the pending exclusive shipment of a programmer across the country to my house.

But as it has been a couple of months since all of this was arranged, we've all lost the details in the wait.

Anyway, it's all really confusing now...

I'm sure that Ross will eventually read all of this and contact you.

So, Chuck, if CirMicro sent the programmers directly to JS and Ross, I guess we'll need to find another reason to send them the Serial Backpacks.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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I guess we'll need to find another reason
Come over for a holiday? :)

So I'll get 4 programmers? (2 for me and 2 for Ivan)
Ross gets his 2 programmers?
Or are they also coming here? (no problem)
Or will all 3 of us get their programmers delivered at their own address? (also no problem)

I'm confused, nothing new there! :?

Anyway, I don't mind if all the stuff for Ross comes here, including the "presents" from the 2 "wise men". I can then send them off to Melbourne.

Ross how close or far are you to the city? Anywhere near Mt Waverley?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Entertainment alert! Watch the old farts (me being the king of the old farts) try to figure out which end is up.

Here's what I'm going to do unless told otherwise:
Send John his stuff as listed above.
Send Ross his stuff as listed above.
Play with my programmer.

If anyone thinks I should do anything different, please let me know.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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If anyone thinks I should do anything different, please let me know.
Spot on!! See you haven't lost all your marbles :lol:

You will neeed to works out all the shipping costs and let us know. We will then go to the bank an apply for an import loan....

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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zbaird wrote:
Entertainment alert! Watch the old farts (me being the king of the old farts) try to figure out which end is up.

Here's what I'm going to do unless told otherwise:
Send John his stuff as listed above.
Send Ross his stuff as listed above.
Play with my programmer.

If anyone thinks I should do anything different, please let me know.

That works great for me! :wink:

EDIT:
Ross, do not send me the programmer from "Down Under! "
If I missed the opportunity to get one of the programmers, just consider the stuff Chuck is sending you a belated Christmas gift... :)

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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Boy,

Turn my back for 3 seconds and the world changes!

John, I am in Blackburn. Just returned from Altronics and drove through Mt Waverley.

I have a PM to Chuck that may confuse the issue further. So we should wait for his reply to me I suggest.

Carl, don't be quite so fast to give up on the deal... although I do appreciate your generosity. Hold fire, we will get there yet.

Regards,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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OK, I think we are now sorted out.

Chuck will mail to me half of the units sent by Mike to Chuck on my behalf. The other half will be sent by Chuck to Carl.

John and Ivan's units will go via Chuck as "originally" planned (if anyone can remember THAT version :lol: )

Now let the gremlins get into that water tight plan!

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
OK, I think we are now sorted out.

Chuck will mail to me half of the units sent by Mike to Chuck on my behalf. The other half will be sent by Chuck to Carl.

John and Ivan's units will go via Chuck as "originally" planned (if anyone can remember THAT version :lol: )

Now let the gremlins get into that water tight plan!

Cheers,

Well, I think the following:

CirMicro wrote:
Hi Chuck,
Sorry for the confusion, I guess I messed up. I sent everyone direct thinking it may save some time and you some hassle.

certainly still carries some level of confusion.

I think CirMicro needs to expound on this statement. Like, exactly what got sent to who, and by what means - before anyone starts aimlessly shipping stuff around the globe....

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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before anyone starts aimlessly shipping stuff around the globe...

Hang on to your roosters, Carl! Don't let those suckers out of your sight or they'll be down checking out the emus before you know it!

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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I agree. Mike (CirMicro) does not have my address. I cited Chuck as my delivery point in my original order with Mike.

So...I too would like to know what went where and "who paid the ferryman" ...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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zbaird wrote:
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before anyone starts aimlessly shipping stuff around the globe...

Hang on to your roosters, Carl! Don't let those suckers out of your site or they'll be down checking out the emus before you know it!

Not likely!

Big Pete & Little Pete are perched on the top shelf of my parts shelving. They're making sure no parts gremlins are going to hijack any of my stuff. Or, that none of the parts take a mind to escape my playroom.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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OK, PM sent to Mike from me asking where he sent mine because I had not given him my address. Emus readied for launch!

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:
OK, PM sent to Mike from me asking where he sent mine because I had not given him my address. Emus readied for launch!

Really? Do you all have stuffed Emus down under?

Actually, I think having a stuffed Kangaroo (not real) would be cool!!!

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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microcarl wrote:
valusoft wrote:
OK, PM sent to Mike from me asking where he sent mine because I had not given him my address. Emus readied for launch!

Really? Do you all have stuffed Emus down under?

Actually, I think having a stuffed Kangaroo (not real) would be cool!!!

Carl, in OZ, "stuffed" has a couple of meanings...one of which is "exceedingly tired". Do we ALL have stuffed emus? Cannot speak for everyone...personally my emus are not even slightly weary :lol:

Careful what you wish for ...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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:? :? :? :? :? :? :?

Had my first Kangaroo sishkebab a couple of weeks ago.
Not bad except for the fluffy bits....oh no, it was stuffed roo they served!! :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

I'll just wait and see what happens...:? :? :? :? :? :? :?
:? :? :? :? :? :? :?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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John, it looks like our work educating these "foreigners" is really cut out for us!

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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OK folks,

Mike has replied to my PM. Somehow (still unknown to me), he has my postal address and has already sent my units to me. He is also arranging a unit for Carl "on my behalf". So it appears that the emu launch is on permanent hold.

Let the games begin...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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They need a holiday down under.

Carl was thinking of coming in a pine box but customs do not allow wood products in without quarantine.

Need a break, I'm "exceedingly tired"....my stormwater drain system (the literal one) has been overrun by roots from the neigbour's trees :( 100% blockage. Been digging up my yard trying to find where all the pipes go...I'm "exceedingly tired"....

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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our work educating these "foreigners" is really cut out for us
Reminds me of the April Fool's day spaghetti harvest shown on the BBC.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Ross, thanks for intervening on my behalf.

JS, get some sleep, so you return yo your jolly, funny self.

Chuck, as always, you're BAD, err... OLD!!!

If Kangaroo is half as good a Lamb ribs, I'll have to make a trip to the Down-under.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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If Kangaroo is half as good a Lamb ribs, I'll have to make a trip to the Down-under.
Just get a one way ticket, it's cheaper. After a good kangaroo feed you be able to do "island skipping" and you'll be back home in no time, not necessaily "in a single bounce". :?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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