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I designed some KeyFobs for my company that had to go be sent out to all of the locations in the field and thought others might be interested in a low cost alternative. It supports both the current Stk500 protocol and a custom protocol through FTDI USB. The Keyfob ability is via a plugin 8M flash module. It also has both 6 & 10 pin standard Atmel ISP connectors, with real voltage level translator/buffers for 1.8V - 5.5V operation.

Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.

Any interest?

Thanks

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Are you saying you can provide the project details or are you trying to sell the programmers?

If you're offering the details, then I'm sure someone is interested.

If you're selling the programmer, maybe you should try the trading post thread.

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If you're offering the details, then I'm sure someone is interested.

If you're selling the programmer, maybe you should try the trading post thread.

Well, if you bothered to read the post you would be aware that I'm asking if there would be any interest since I'm already having a large quantity made up I could have some extras made.

Have a great day.

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Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.
If you are SURE they will work well I would be interested in 1.

So you download all the info into the dataflash and then you take the programmer in the field or bench and can program chips without a pc, correct? Does the programmer get the power form the target? How much current if so? Any more info that can be attained either publicly or via pm?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.
If you are SURE they will work well I would be interested in 1.

So you download all the info into the data-flash and then you take the programmer in the field or bench and can program chips without a PC, correct? Does the programmer get the power form the target? How much current if so? Any more info that can be attained either publicly or via pm?

If it is the way JS describes, I think I'd be interested in one programmer/FLASH set for the $24.00 price.

Some more details and specification would be appreciated...

What is the time to delivery?

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It would also be nice to know what the shipping costs would be, approximately. Where are you?

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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zbaird wrote:
It would also be nice to know what the shipping costs would be, approximately. Where are you?

Well... Isn't that a good point! I just hadn't thought about where the OP lives...

I think it should be a mandatory requirement that, the geographical location of the AVRFreaks member accompany the members avatar...

I mean, we aren't ashamed of where we're from, are we???

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Subject to answers to the above questions, I would also be interested in 1 or 2.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

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So you download all the info into the dataflash and then you take the programmer in the field or bench and can program chips without a pc, correct? Does the programmer get the power form the target? How much current if so?

It's currently on a proto board and all is working well. I have not actually tested with any 1.8v chips yet but the psu does boost it to the correct voltage, so there is no reason to it shouldn't. 3.3V & 5V have been tested and working fine though.

The measured current in stand alone mode is less then 20ma, although by the specs it could go up to 30ma.

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It would also be nice to know what the shipping costs would be, approximately. Where are you?

Whatever the actual cost is. As far as international shipping I'm not really sure what kind of rates to expect. If anyone has any info/suggestions I'm all ears :)

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I think it should be a mandatory requirement that, the geographical location of the AVRFreaks member accompany the members avatar...

I thought I added this once, still isn't showing up? Is there a separate checkbox or something in the profile?

I'm actually just awaiting an answer on the USB connector size...geez of all things, they originally wanted the mini, but now want to go with the full size.

I expect this to be finalized by this Friday, So the order will be sent by Monday...Lead time is about 2-3 weeks.

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although by the specs it could go up to 30ma.
:( this will probably shut down the regulator in one of the target boards I have in mind. So I would have to do some mods to fit a small 5V power pack to run the unit I guess.

Does it come in a box? How does it communicate with humans? (led switches, lcd??)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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I thought I added this once, still isn't showing up? Is there a separate checkbox or something in the profile?

Well, I just went back and checked again and all the information was still there and I was looking at this big "refresh profile button" and lo and behold. :oops:

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Well, shipping to Carl will be pretty good. I'd take one with flash, since I know it won't be too bad to get it here.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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CirMicro wrote:
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I thought I added this once, still isn't showing up? Is there a separate checkbox or something in the profile?

Well, I just went back and checked again and all the information was still there and I was looking at this big "refresh profile button" and lo and behold. :oops:

CirMicro wrote:
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio - USA

I'm 20 miles East of "Eastgate ", just off of Hy32 - between Williamsburg and Bethel, Ohio.

Where are you located???

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Seems my ButtLoad project is being made more and more redundant each day! Oh well - can yours do the complete Fuse/Lock/Flash/EEPROM, or only the flash?

- Dean :twisted:

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Well Dean, some of us have thought about using the Butterfly and your firmware for professional type use but felt that the set up may not be rugged enough.

May want to think about doing the hardware a bit different even if it means a custom board and a box to protect the whole thing. A few leds for go, no-go may be tougher than a Butterfly LCD too.

Removable flash is also a bonus as, in my case, I would just load up different firmware for different jobs with another programmer and then move the flash to the bench programmer as required for the job.

The bench programmer would be fastened to an existing test jig and could program up to 100 boards a day. Just a few thoughts, you have done the hard slog with the firmware, may want to think about reaping some rewards. :wink:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Seems my ButtLoad project is being made more and more redundant each day! Oh well - can yours do the complete Fuse/Lock/Flash/EEPROM, or only the flash?

Hi Dean,

I think you're Buttload project is a great project and I highly recommend it to anyone. The main things I can really see that it lacks are the level translators and USB. I think Kanda was one of the first KeyFob type makers for AVRs, of course at a premium price...I think something like $89 is the going price and they only hold ~64K or so.

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Does it come in a box? How does it communicate with humans? (led switches, lcd??)

A slide switch selects [Normal/Storage] mode. Normal mode indicating that the real target is to be programmed.
One momentary pushbutton initiates the programming in stand alone mode. Green led - All is okay, flashing red indicates a verify error. A jumper selects the desired protocol Stk500/ Custom. There will be cases made for them, I can probably include them at the same price without the printing.

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Sounds good :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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So, John, do you want one? Ross and I are plotting to each get one (with flash, cases, and anything else that gets thrown in) and have them sent to me, and I'll forward his on to Oz. If you want one, I could send yours too, and Ross could get it to you.

So, CirMicro, Ross and I each want one with flash and case, and we await word from js. Mailed to me in Washington State. Do you take Paypal?

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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I'm in. Replied to Ross already. This is international High Finance stuff..

I hope CirMicro knows what he got himself into, we would be just about the worst clients he can get if it doesn't work well :lol:

Oh well, I guess we can also help him out sorting some bugs if any.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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So, CirMicro, Ross and I each want one with flash and case, and we await word from js. Mailed to me in Washington State. Do you take Paypal?

Okay, Paypal is fine. You can PM me with the shipping address info if you like.

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Oh well, I guess we can also help him out sorting some bugs if any.

Nah, I'll leave those here, could start an international incident trying to get the critters through customs :)

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So I'll send payment for mine, and John and Ross will pay you separately. Send all 3 to me, and we'll all wait and see if they ever make it to Australia, or if they pull an Amelia Earhart.

How much would you like me to include for shipping? You'll also need to PM me your paypal address. I'm also happy to mail you a check if you'd prefer.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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I'm working on a small (field) programmer too, but not for AVRs, just sending HEX files to a board over RS232, but it will also 'play' binary serial vector files over a JTAG connection (you could program JTAG equipped AVRs with this too) to download new data to a FPGA configuration device.

For storage it uses 16Mb worth of Dataflash that can be accessed as a Mass Storage Device via USB (the device is being prototyped on an USBKEY :)).

It has a 96x36 OLED display to select files and such.

Today I was wondering... it can't be that much work to include the AVR ISP protocol and maybe even other protocols (PIC ICP... NXP LPC serial...) and commercialize the device.

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How much would you like me to include for shipping? You'll also need to PM me your paypal address. I'm also happy to mail you a check if you'd prefer.

It looks like US First Class Package rate would be about $2 - $3 dollars. 3 Day delivery time. Just add $2 unless you want a different shipping method.

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Ok, Mike, you should have my payment by now. I added a little for paypal fees so hopefully you won't be losing money on the deal.

I look forward to poking your programmer when it gets here. Thanks for offering it.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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Thanks Chuck, that was nice of you. Good thing I'm leaving the bugs here, because sometimes they poke back :)

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So, all going well I paid for 2 programmers. Can we trust Chuck not to run away to South America with our programmers once he gets them?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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No offense to South America intended, but you (js) are sitting in the spot I'd most like to run to (well, maybe NZ). Then you'd hunt me down like a wallaby and my life of crime wouldn't pay. Guess I'll stay here.

(of course your programmers might, too)

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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Chuck, John and CirMicro,

Have sent funds for two (2) units.

Let the games begin :twisted:

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

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Wow you guys move fast...
I'm another guy from OZ that wouldn't mind in on the deal.

Ross/Chuck would you mind if I added another 1 or 2 to your order?
If its easier for you, you could send mine with John's (js) - I am close by and could pick up from him.
Unless John wants to part with one of his ;-)

Cheers,
Ivan

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ivernot wrote:
Wow you guys move fast...
I'm another guy from OZ that wouldn't mind in on the deal.

Ross/Chuck would you mind if I added another 1 or 2 to your order?
If its easier for you, you could send mine with John's (js) - I am close by and could pick up from him.
Unless John wants to part with one of his ;-)

Cheers,
Ivan

OK, well it is up to John I guess. I am cool with all going to John in Sydney first and then mine coming via AustPost.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

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It's fine with me - Ross and John can decide to whom I mail them, and you guys can sort it out from there.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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CirMicro wrote:
I designed some KeyFobs for my company that had to go be sent out to all of the locations in the field and thought others might be interested in a low cost alternative. It supports both the current Stk500 protocol and a custom protocol through FTDI USB. The Keyfob ability is via a plugin 8M flash module. It also has both 6 & 10 pin standard Atmel ISP connectors, with real voltage level translator/buffers for 1.8V - 5.5V operation.

Programmer without Flash module would go for about $15.00 and about $9.00 for a flash module.

Any interest?

Thanks

Is this something you just made some extras of a short run for a specific company project, or is it something that you intend to turn into a product?

Did you use the FTDI D2XX DLL for the STK-500 and custom protocol, or are you bit-banging the VCP mode?

Smiley

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I'd buy one. Where do I sign?

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Is this something you just made some extras of a short run for a specific company project, or is it something that you intend to turn into a product?

Did you use the FTDI D2XX DLL for the STK-500 and custom protocol, or are you bit-banging the VCP mode?

Yes, this is for a specific comapany. The run is just large enough to get some decent price breaks which I thought I'd share here. If there is enough interest I may bring it to market. The price would be a little higher, but still quite reasonable.

The Stk500 protocol just uses the FTDI virtual COM port. Since they already have stable drivers that work with all the major OS's it just seemed to make sense.

The custom protocol is not low level, although I suppose you could crank it up to 250K baud or something :) The main reason for the custom protocol is the company wanted to be able to store profiles and multiple images on flash that could be stored separately. For instance you could store pages of specifications to the same flash with the program.

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Unless John wants to part with one of his
Unfortunately I'm only getting 1 for myself (for now) and another for someone else. See, you just have to spend more time on this forum :)
No problem if Ross gets them to me and then we'll arrange pick up/delivery and the long awaited coffe or beer. (I have a new expresso coffee machine, you'll be able to work 3 times as fast after a coffee :lol: )

I guess Mike can pm you his paypal account number for payment. Then Chuck gets our 5 OZ programmers and sends them here. Maybe be cheaper if I get the 5 of them then and I'll send Ross his as it would only be a few dollars with Australia Post for just the one.

I suppose when they are ready we can toss the final dice.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Sounds great. Thanks guys!

Mike, I await you paypal details.

Cheers,
Ivan

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Good morning John "the barista".

Would love to try your coffee, but I will have to take a rain check on that one.

Will talk further...especially about the contents of the brown paper bag that I should send you.

"Ivernot",

I have PM'd you with CirMirco's Paypal identity so that you can get moving.

Cheers,

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

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Thanks Guys.
I just paid for two FOB + Flash Modules

John, I very much look forward to the coffee (and company - of course ;-) )
Ross - Commiserations ;-)
and Postman Chuck* - Thank you for you freight forwarding services. How do I get $ for postage to you?
Mike - please keep us informed as to the progress/ETA
Cheers,
Ivan

* http://www.postmanpat.com/. - sorta rhymes with Chuck ;-)

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How do I get $ for postage to you?

Let's wait and see whether it's worth worrying about first. Or send me a kangaroo.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

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A little sneak preview of the AVRFOB enclosure.

You may need to click on the image for the best view.

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Looks good, is it a machined standard enclosure or custom made?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Thanks John, It's a machined standard enclosure. The setup fees for custom molded are usually out of reach unless you're doing thousands.

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Hey! this sounds really cool!

so, a few questions.
1: does it support BOTH storing an app in flash for later writing to avr, and also direct flashing to avr?
2: you say it can store 32kb, will that also work to flash an avr that has 128kb(perhaps in relation to flashing outside of the 32kb storagE?)
3: will it work with avrdude(it supports stk500)
4: what is the price for the whole thing (flash, programmer, case etc), and what do you want for shipping to denmark?

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1. Yes
2. It's 8 Meg, enough for room for any Avr Device :)
3. Yes
4. $24.00 U.S. Dollars for the ones ordered already. There will only be about 6 extra available at this price though. It looks like about $7.00 via USPS International for shipping.
Just send me a PM if you want one.

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Update: The cases should be ready tomorrow and the boards should be in before the end of next week.

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Salivating.....oops watch the drippings...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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So, John, did you and Ross ever work out where I'm supposed to send all these units? Someone should PM me an address at some point.

And Mike, if you're (now) a case expert, you should come up with a Dragon case. Not big bucks, but a lot of people would appreciate it.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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where I'm supposed to send all these units?
I believe that they are all coming to me as it would be cheaper to forward 1 to Melbourne from Sydney than to forward 4 from Melbourne to Sydney.

My address is on my website under "Contact Us"
http://www.members.optusnet.com.au/ampertronics/contact.htm
(it saves ink if you copy and paste it from there otherwise I'll have to write it again....)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Update: The cases should be ready tomorrow and the boards should be in before the end of next week.

Woo hoo - Prezzies for Chrissy? ;-)
Cheers,
Ivan

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Thanks, John, you're it. You get the big enchilada, and I have some things here Carl sent me to forward on to you as well. And, if I can find some Edelweiss I'll throw it in, too.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

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