stevech 
How can I find what WinAVR/GCC libraries are using what static RAM? I use printf() for stdio, but no sscanf, no floating point. Default WinAVR settings.
Too large of a portion of 4K RAM is not available to me. I know what my code uses for statics, strings, etc.
glitch 
The library should use very little SRAM statically, if any (most everything is done on the stack, or heap, and released immediatly). I'm guessing you're missing something in the consumption by your program. Have you taken constant strings into consideration? Have you generated a map file and symbol table and looked at the allocations?
clawson 
Yup even the float and printf libraries have no global overhead - but they almost certainly use some RAm dynamically rather than statically when they create automatics on the stack. You won't see this in the fixed sizes of .data and .bss but you may want to monitor SP's low water mark in case it's bumping into the end of .bss
As for other stuff in .data and .bss - the .map file is your friend.
(but like glitch says, you probably just need to PROGMEM the const data)
dkinzer As for other stuff in .data and .bss - the .map file is your friend.
rand.o: 00000000 t do_rand 00000000 d next 000000ae T rand 000000a8 T rand_r 000000b8 T srand random.o: 00000000 t do_random 00000000 d next 000000be T random 000000b8 T random_r 000000c8 T srandom
glitch yes some functions like rand do have statics, they will only show up if you use the function. As far as I know, the number of functions that require persistand state, or static allocation, are only a small handful... and the amount of memory certainly wouldn't add up to 4K. the time conversion functions are another set that use static allocation comes to mind immediately.
clawson Actually, the only symbols that appear in avr-nm for libc.a would appear to be:
malloc.o: 00000004 D __malloc_heap_end 00000002 D __malloc_heap_start 00000000 D __malloc_margin rand.o: 00000000 d next random.o: 00000000 d next (there's no " b " or " B ")
stevech thanks - I'll try as suggested. The abbreviations in the listing and map files need a crib sheet.
Example: In the IDE of WinAVR sscanf.a is referenced. I had but removed use of that. Why is it still there? suggesting it'll be linked in.
Of course, I have all my constant strings and so on in program memory. I keep looking for errors on my part where I have large statics in RAM but I don't think I have any more hiding. I have between 1K and 2K unaccounted for. Stack size is only 200.
glitch do a make clean and then make again to re-build everything... perhaps one of your modules was not re-built, so it was still referencing it... either that, otr you missed a reference to it somewhere.
Had another thought, since you keep saying "statics" Perhaps you're having multiple instances created because they are static, even though you are expecting them to all be referencing the same instance.
stevech Perhaps incorrectly, I say "static" to merely mean global variables, not on-stack locals.
Using WinAVR, I do "rebuild all" or whatever it's called in the GUI, this being the same as make clean and make all, I assume. I gave up make file editing years ago along with bacon-cheeseburgers and fries.
Koshchi Perhaps incorrectly, I say "static" to merely mean global variables, not on-stack locals.
glitch a static var is one of 2 things...
1) a static global that is private to a module. Thus if in moduleA you declare a static global called aGlobal. and in moduleB you declare another static global called aGlobal. Even though the two share the same name, they are separate variables.
2) a static local moves the var from the stack to the data space (so that it retains value), but the name is only valid within the function that declares it. Thus it behaves like a global, but has the visibility of a local.
stevech a static var is one of 2 things...1) a static global that is private to a module. Thus if in moduleA you declare a static global called aGlobal. and in moduleB you declare another static global called aGlobal. Even though the two share the same name, they are separate variables.
2) a static local moves the var from the stack to the data space (so that it retains value), but the name is only valid within the function that declares it. Thus it behaves like a global, but has the visibility of a local.
Right - a static is stored in RAM not used for the stack. The compiler's scope for the variable, module or global, is a different topic. I don't want to declare a static of the same purpose and name more than once among all modules. It wouldn't be logical or efficient.
So the OP was about hunting down hidden users of RAM in a program with lots of C library routines.
glitch ok, just making sure... I kept hearing "static" and bells were going off that maybe something was being missed there.
As for hidden uses of RAM it will depend on what library functions you are using. Are you using any of the stdio functions? Are you using the built-in stream facilities? Either of those will create/use a buffer.
