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Posted by jaguar98: Sun. Mar 22, 2009 - 02:00 AM
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Hi!

1: I would like to know if anyone there has ever put a Pony Prog and an USB to Serial Adapter to work....

My old PC burned itself, and my new one has only USB's.....

It seems that PonyProg, ICProg, etc, looks for REAL ports in PC, and that chinese adapters creates Virtual ones.....

2: That Kind of adapter can be used as General IO(like parallel did) or is just usable for printers....?

Thank You!

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AVR Microcontrollers, megaAVR and tinyAVR
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Posted by nandhu015: Sun. Mar 22, 2009 - 02:45 AM
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no such converter will work with ponyprog, etc.

Nandhu

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Posted by Visovian: Sun. Mar 22, 2009 - 07:37 AM
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That Kind of adapter can be used as General IO(like parallel did) or is just usable for printers....?
It can be used for RS232-based communication, e.g. between PC and UART in uP.
But Ponyprog does not use the RS232 protocol, it toggles the COM port lines in its own way.
If you want to use Ponyprog, a possibility is to add a Pci card with COM port(s) to the PC.

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Posted by clawson: Sun. Mar 22, 2009 - 12:51 PM
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Exactly how much are you planning to spend on such an adpater - why not put the money towards a decent USB based AVR programmer such as the $34 AVRISPmkII ?

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Posted by jaguar98: Sun. Mar 22, 2009 - 01:59 PM
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Sorry, my bad guys....I mean Pony Prog and an "USB to PARALLEL Adapter"...It's parallel, not serial.....

Visovian-> I can't use a PCI, its a notebook....no left room for that....

Clawson -> Yes, I thought that too...I spent $20 on my crap adapter....But I hoped it would work as a LPT1, 'cus I used to do communication with C++ and C# with my old LPT1....Looks like I will have to learn USB now....Damn....

To buy an AVRISP, which is the most reliable distributor?

Thanks.

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Posted by kkontak: Mon. Mar 23, 2009 - 10:18 AM
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Ponyprog actually WORKS with USB to SERIAL adapters (specifically mine, with FTDI IC inside and a full RS232 IC).
The only problem is the speed. It's toooooooo slow. I still use it tho, for fuse/lock bits read/write.

Practice Safe hex.

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Posted by jaguar98: Mon. Mar 23, 2009 - 03:04 PM
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Well, I haven't tested USB to SERIAL with pony prog yet...But I did tests in my work with that FTDI chip, and it detected as a COM PORT, which is good, because the windows apps detected that COM port....

With USB to LPT adapter, Windows don't even recognized as a LPT port...Just a "Virtual printer Port" ..

I wonder if any PC Programmer has ever used that USB to Serial as good as a native port, with C, C#, etc.....

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Posted by jaguar98: Tue. Mar 24, 2009 - 06:19 PM
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Hi to all! Tests about FTDI and AVR Studio/STK500

I don't have my personal PonyProg Hardware here in my job, but I've made a lot os tests with FT232R from FTDI and the results were far FAR better than that USB->LPT mentioned earlier..

The driver from manufacturer's site makes a new COM port on my PC, and ALL programs worked with it(as if I actually HAS a real COM Port), even my test program in C Ansi. It worked directly with AVR(0V - 5V), and worked with MAX232(-12V - +12V). And It was very quickly with AVR Studio and STK500. As good as with the real COM Port.

When I get home, I will test it with Pony Prog too.

The big question now is: that cheap USB->Serial adapters uses a FTDI, or another chip?

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Posted by AndersAnd: Tue. Mar 24, 2009 - 10:16 PM
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jaguar98 wrote:
Visovian-> I can't use a PCI, its a notebook....no left room for that....

You can get ExpressCard -> RS232 adapters with with 16550 UART to use with notebooks: Examples here: http://www.siig.com/ViewProductL...
But it will probably be cheaper to buy a real USB programmer for AVR or make your own.

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Posted by AndersAnd: Tue. Mar 24, 2009 - 10:23 PM
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jaguar98 wrote:
The big question now is: that cheap USB->Serial adapters uses a FTDI, or another chip?

I think most commercial USB -> RS232 adapters are based on PL-2303 IC's from Prolific.
But FTDI and Silabs both make similar IC's which are both easier to find for sale as loose chips in electronics stores for DIY adapters than Prolific.

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Posted by jaguar98: Fri. Mar 27, 2009 - 02:58 AM
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Thanks Guys, i will now look for some USB->Serial that has a FTDI...I've seen a lot of complaints about Prolific..

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Posted by ArnoldB: Fri. Mar 27, 2009 - 06:43 AM
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jaguar98 wrote:
Thanks Guys, i will now look for some USB->Serial that has a FTDI...I've seen a lot of complaints about Prolific..
The Prolific ones have always worked for me. It is just a habit of some kids to always blame the converter when something doesn't work.

Stealing Proteus doesn't make you an engineer.

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Posted by jaguar98: Fri. Mar 27, 2009 - 09:12 PM
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But tell me, has you ever used the Prolific serial converter as General I/O, or just the standard TX RX of it?

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Posted by nandhu015: Sat. Mar 28, 2009 - 02:13 AM
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use tx and rx of prolific converter

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Posted by BlackBishop64: Tue. Jun 30, 2009 - 02:50 PM
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jaguar98 wrote:
Well, I haven't tested USB to SERIAL with pony prog yet...But I did tests in my work with that FTDI chip, and it detected as a COM PORT, which is good, because the windows apps detected that COM port....

With USB to LPT adapter, Windows don't even recognized as a LPT port...Just a "Virtual printer Port" ..

I wonder if any PC Programmer has ever used that USB to Serial as good as a native port, with C, C#, etc.....

Hi, i have the same problem as you, after PC upgrade (this without parallel port) i've bought a USB to LPT adapter in order to use my old and good parallel programmer, but SURPRISE!!, the adapter creates a USB001 Virtual Printer Port which is recognice if you add a new printer but not in ponyprog.

The question now is whether there is a way to create a "Virtual LPT1" related to the USB001 Virtual Printer Port.

Thank you!

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Posted by BlackBishop64: Tue. Jun 30, 2009 - 03:29 PM
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I've just received the answer of the manufacter of the cable "Delock", they say that it is not possible for my product, they have no drivers to emulate LPT1 or LPT2

:-(

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Posted by rstahlhu: Tue. Jun 30, 2009 - 04:20 PM
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AFAIK, USB to Printer cables are for printers only and don't let you toggle individual bits of the port.

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Posted by BlackBishop64: Wed. Jul 1, 2009 - 05:41 PM
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well, i've taken the straight way, I've bought this programmer
http://cgi.ebay.es/ws/eBayISAPI....
for a quiet good price, let see what happens!
I will try to give back the cable.

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Posted by ramkarthikmech: Wed. Sep 4, 2013 - 02:32 PM
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Guys, Prolific based USB-to-Serial does not work with ponyprog. I did the following guys:

First : Connected ponyprog programmer through PC's serial port- my makfile didn't show any error and my program got burnt successfully into ATmega16.

Second : Connected ponyprog programmer through Prolific USB-to-Serial(BAFO)- my makefile showed error. It stated that it couldn't communicate with my micro-controller.

I've uploaded the images below. The one which is successful is using serial port and one which is unsuccessful is using USB-serial convertor(BAFO)
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Also...i checked the voltage for both cases.

For serial port case-
MISO- 0.71V
MOSI- 0.52V
SCK- 0.71V

For USB to serial port case-
MISO- 0V
MOSI- 0V
SCK- 0V

I also tried powering the programmer externally, but couldn't find any changes
:( :(

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Posted by js: Wed. Sep 4, 2013 - 09:37 PM
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Prolific based USB-to-Serial
Prolific has put a bug in their drivers for Window 7 to stop the use of Chinese made fake chips.

John Samperi

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www.ampertronics.com.au

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Posted by valusoft: Thu. Dec 13, 2018 - 11:45 PM
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rubbish posts deleted.

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