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Does any one have a suggestion for a board house for inexpensive runs of 100 boards that are 30mm X 50mm? Then, is there a place that will build these boards - all SMT parts - inexpensively?

Thanks,

Mike.

official AVR Consultant
www.veruslogic.com

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Try Olimex. They can make the boards and populate them.

Leon

Leon Heller G1HSM

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I had good results for making boards with pcbcart.com (and cheap!), however I have no idea if they populate too..

Author of simavr - Follow me on twitter : @buserror

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Advanced Circuits can make and stuff your boards. I've only had boards made but not stuffed, so I don't know how prices compare.

Regards,
Paul

P.S. AC is located in Colorado, USA. Your profile doesn't say where you are located, so I don't know if this helps.

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Your profile doesn't say where you are located

I fixed that. Kansas City, MO USA Thanks.

These are all great suggestions. We use advanced circuits at my real job. But not for populating. My personal budget is more in line with PCBCART.com.

Any more suggestions are welcome. But, from this list, I will try pcbcart.com first. I'm going to contact Olimex as well about populating them. It doesn't look as though pcbcart does that sort of thing.

Thanks.

official AVR Consultant
www.veruslogic.com

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A tip with pcbcart : they seem to do the week's order on the monday, they send you a gebber file and/or a .pdf with the layers on monday via email, and if you reply quickly enough to confirm you could get into that batch and receive the boards 4 days later (I'm in europe). So the 8 days lead can be a lot quicker...

I heard mentioned there is another cheap china based operation with a 'contact' in Canada; I don't have the name at the moment but I will post it later when I do.

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I've been very pleased with the results / prices from Myro - they've got an office in Canada but orders are done in China.

http://www.myropcb.com/

forgot to mention - they also do assembly - you can have them mount standard parts that they have in stock, or send them the parts to do it all.

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I've only had boards made but not stuffed,
You are so fortunate..... :lol: some people do really "stuff" boards...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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monkeytech wrote:
I've been very pleased with the results / prices from Myro - they've got an office in Canada but orders are done in China.

http://www.myropcb.com/

forgot to mention - they also do assembly - you can have them mount standard parts that they have in stock, or send them the parts to do it all.

Holy sh*t, I just spilt my milk.

myropcb takes the crown as the cheapest place to get pcbs made. I was with goldpheonix for the last 2 years, now I am going to give myropcb a try.

Ty monkey.

Regards,

Alan To

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www.ezpcb.com is good too. I get all my prototypes and production runs from them.

Oh, and they have a deal right now where they will assemble the board (depending on component count) for $50US.

wow...

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ezpcb.com looks to have a great selection if service (stencils etc)... however for prototyping their tooling price is $50 (!) so for a small run of 5 boards, pcbcart is almost $40 cheaper...

Good thread tho, the more choice, the better :D

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I just recently had 20 12"x12" 2 sided PCBs made by njpcb.com. They did them for about $20 each, which was significantly cheaper than every single other place that I checked with.

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monkeytech wrote:
I've been very pleased with the results / prices from Myro - they've got an office in Canada but orders are done in China.

http://www.myropcb.com/

forgot to mention - they also do assembly - you can have them mount standard parts that they have in stock, or send them the parts to do it all.

Used them some time back with some 2 layer cards.
Could recomend them, nice looking cards.

/Johan

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Here are pictures of what I got from pcbcart.com. The one thing I noticed is that the board seems 'brittle' ie more hard/rigid/glass-like that what I've see on other commercial boards. but I have nothing to compare it to from me, these are my first two boards :D

Otherwise I showed them to the in house real hardware guy and he said they were very good quality.

Author of simavr - Follow me on twitter : @buserror

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buserror wrote:
The one thing I noticed is that the board seems 'brittle' ie more hard/rigid/glass-like that what I've see on other commercial boards. but I have nothing to compare it to from me, these are my first two boards :D

If you can spare a card, you can do a "flex"-test just for fun.

Take a card and see how much you can bend the card before the copper lines gets broken and then how much before the entire card breaks.

Most cards are actually quite hard to break 8)
unless it is a very important card with no substitute :lol:

/Johan

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Dunno if someone already mentioned them, but I used speedypcb_com once, and they were fast 'n cheap. I had five 89x300mm boards made, 4 layers, silk screen on both sides, black solder mask.. Price inclusive of shipping to Denmark: 249 USD.
Don't know about the prices of other suggestions, but compared to standard Danish prices, that's just dirt cheap. And the quality was excellent.
Malmkvist

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... (forgot to tick of notify me checkbox)

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I use expressPCB. They give you a crude, but functional schematic/pcb software package that works pretty well.

Buserror,
Those boards look pretty good!

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I got a quote from Myro last night for stuffing my board. I spilled my beer. I'm putting together a real package for them now to test them out. 100 bare PCBs (30X50mm), stuffed with the parts I send them (mega48 and 20 other SMT items) for less than US$5 each board! That's hard to pass up.

official AVR Consultant
www.veruslogic.com

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At the office we use Delta Circuits. But they are definitely out of my price range for a moonlighting project.

official AVR Consultant
www.veruslogic.com

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$5.00 a board is not bad.....especially if it is SMD.

Here on Long Island they charge by pin, and it is double for surface mount, unless you are doing a big run and can supply the component vector files for their surface mount machine

Jim

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

Atmel Studio6.2/AS7, DipTrace, Quartus, MPLAB, RSLogix user

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jgmdesign wrote:
I use expressPCB. They give you a crude, but functional schematic/pcb software package that works pretty well.
I used ExpressPCB for a while. Quality is real good. Miniboard (2.5" x 3.8") gives you two double-sided boards for $51 + S&H.

But I've since switched because:

  1. For solder screen, you have to use their Production Service with a base price of $233
  2. You have to use their software. If you later decide to go someplace else, you have to redo your board using another PCB program.
I've since done numerous board through http://www.batchpcb.com/ and have switched to Cadsoft's Eagle. BatchPCB is run by Spark Fun Electronics. BatchPCB charges a $10 setup fee + $2.50 a square inch + shipping. If you do multiple boards, even different boards, with one order, there's only a single setup fee. This seems to be economical for small one-of boards. The BatchPCB boards are double sided and include silk screen and solder mask on both sides.

Don

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I have used PCBFabExpress, PCBExpress, and BatchPCB. Price-wise, my favorite is BatchPCB but the lead time, minimum via and trace size all suck. PCBFabExpress isn't as cheap but the boards are nicer and the minimum sizes are better.

I'll probably try out one or two of the vendors recommended here...

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I have used ezpcb twice. Satisfied both times. I see that they now provide assembly services also. For a simple through hole assembly, their online quote was 2 US cents per pin for assembly. I am not opposed to using the soldering iron myself, but at those prices, I am more profitable watching my front lawn grow.

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Do all the people above insist on you supplying the Gerber files? It drives me nuts and in about 15 years of using Protel I haven't really been able to do proper Gerber plots, so I only use people that will just take the .pcb file and they do the rest. I have used PCBCART (100-200 boards) because they offer this service.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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John,

I send gerber files to ezpcb. Adds 2 minutes to my process. Sounds like Protel is your problem. I could not imagine the "hair pulling" that the board companies would have trying to keep all of the alternative software packages up to date. And if you have problems with Protel....why wouldn't they also ? :twisted:

Regards,

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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gr82bdad wrote:
I got a quote from Myro last night for stuffing my board. I spilled my beer. I'm putting together a real package for them now to test them out. 100 bare PCBs (30X50mm), stuffed with the parts I send them (mega48 and 20 other SMT items) for less than US$5 each board! That's hard to pass up.

Hi,

Do you have a pic of your board you can send me? I am interested in using myro for assembly and I want to get an idea what I can expect for the money.

How many solder points do you have? Does myro offer favourable prices for components? What does the 5 bucks you pay include; PCB, components, or just assembly?

Regards,

Alan To

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And if you have problems with Protel....why wouldn't they also ?
Because...they know what they are doing...:(
I don't understand all the strokes, brush, flashing that needs to be done when I don't have a pad or track in my library. I had it all expalined to me once and thought...not too bad..but then I got spoiled by all the people tha will just take (some even prefer) just the .pcb file. :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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How many solder points do you have? Does myro offer favourable prices for components? What does the 5 bucks you pay include; PCB, components, or just assembly?

I used their on-line quote form and got that price. It's 30mmX50mm has a mega48, 12 0805 parts, 3 sot23 type parts, and a through hole header.

I'm putting together a real package with BOM and data sheets and gerbers for them to give me a more detailed quote. When I get the run back, I'll send you pics and my expert opinion.

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Do all the people above insist on you supplying the Gerber files?

Myro will take a DXF or a DWG of the artwork if that helps.

official AVR Consultant
www.veruslogic.com

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ezcomp wrote:
I have used PCBFabExpress, PCBExpress, and BatchPCB. Price-wise, my favorite is BatchPCB but the lead time, minimum via and trace size all suck. PCBFabExpress isn't as cheap but the boards are nicer and the minimum sizes are better.

I'll probably try out one or two of the vendors recommended here...


8mm spacing minumum, does that mean 8mm margins from the edge of the board? I want to make a breakout board for a 0.5mm flex circuit (I'll have a lot of fun soldering that :() and I was thinking about using BatchPCB for the job. I'll just have to learn Eagle... :?

Math is cool.
jevinskie.com

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and in about 15 years of using Protel I haven't really been able to do proper Gerber plots,

What version of Protel are you using?

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ezcomp wrote:
PCBFabExpress isn't as cheap but the boards are nicer and the minimum sizes are better.
I just placed my first order with them, looking forward to testing the build quality.

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PCBFabExpress is awesome for prototyping if you live in the USA and can stay within the max # of holes per square inch, I believe that it is 25 holes per square inch.

Exceeding the max holes per inch costs you $50 more, shipping outside of USA costs you $50 more. But their boards are top quality stuff.

I put in an order to Myro 2 weeks ago, I should get the boards end of this week or early next week. Service wise they are very prompt in answering Email enquiries. For low run boards, the fixed costs of setup and delivery is just too high to compete with other companies, but for higher production runs Myro seems to offer the best price.

When I have the time I would like to setup a site reviewing the various popular places that offer pcb manufacturing; prices, quality, service, time.

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I have not tested MicroCirtec, but they have nice pricing: http://www.microcirtec.com

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What version of Protel are you using?
The, now free, Protel for dos 1.61.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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toalan wrote:
...but for higher production runs Myro seems to offer the best price.
Thanks, I'll keep them in mind if the protoype boards come out okay. My board is small, only 4 square inches that I think I can tighten up to 3 sq inches. Since PCBFabexpress minimum price point is 10 sq inches, it seems for a production run that another company can do better.

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I got my 100 boards back from myro this week. I have not used them yet, still trying to finish off the boards I got from goldpheonix.

I thought that myro was just another reseller of goldpheonix pcb, it looks like they use a different plant because the pcb from myro is darker than the pcb from goldpheonix. It is not conclusive evidence, but all my past 5 orders from goldpheonix had a light green pcb material and myro was a shade darker.

Time from order to delivery was about 3 weeks, other places like pcbfabexpress can do it in 1-1.5 weeks, goldpheonix can do it in about 2 weeks.

Myro was extremely prompt in their email replies and had great customer service. The myro rep that I emailed seemed to have a much better command of the english language than the rep at goldpheonix.

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The, now free, Protel for dos 1.61.

I do not know much about that one. I have used their later offerings -- DXP and Designer.

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I do not know much about that one
Maybe it was around BEFORE you were born? :lol: I would love to use a newer version of Protel but I will have to sell my house to buy it :cry:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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I use PCB-Pool a lot, but they don't do assembly. Their boards are very high quality and they can do 6/6 mils and 0.3 mm holes as standard. I normally use their five day or eight day service. They accept many popular PCB file formats, including Pulsonix which I use - they charge more for Gerbers.

http://www.pcb-pool.com

Leon

Leon Heller G1HSM

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I heard that pcbpool uses the same factory as goldpheonix does.

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PCB-Pool has there boards made in Germany. I think they use several suppliers.

Leon

Leon Heller G1HSM

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http://research.techkwondo.com/?...

A nice blog entry on this topic.

There are pointy haired bald people.
Time flies when you have a bad prescaler selected.

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So far, the customer support at PCBFabExpress has not met expectations. I sent my files Sunday Jul 15. Order status on the web site remains "Order in process, files being reviewed." I submitted two support tickets about my order status, one on Jul 20 and another early today. After not hearing anything back from them, I called them. I was told there was a problem with trace clearance and they sent me an email on Jul 16. I don't have any record of receiving that email.

Whether they sent the email or not, it's not adequate that they did not respond to two support tickets. Further, it would be much better if there order status could say something like, "trouble with uploaded files, awaiting resubmission", so that one doesn't waste a week waiting for board to arrive.

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PCB-Pool is very good in terms of feedback. The web page with the order tracking has a little green three bar indicator. The first shows when the files have been checked by turning yellow, the second shows when they are in production, and the third shows when they have been sent. They also have an option to email photos of the board going through the various production stages like drilling, HASL, etc.

Leon

Leon Heller G1HSM

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I had great results a few years ago with Advanced Circuits http://4pcb.com in Denver, CO. I will surely go back to them next time I need PCBs.

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Thanks for the other recommendations. I'll look into them for my next board order.

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I tried one of the myro boards, no problems with it.

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Malmkvist wrote:
Dunno if someone already mentioned them, but I used speedypcb_com once, and they were fast 'n cheap.

About the time that this thread was active, I was in the final stages of layout on a small, 2 layer board that had a Mega640 with a 100 pin CBGA package. This pushes the layout a little bit past the standard parameters for the inexpensive prototypes that most fab houses offer. I had a previous revision of the board built at a fab house in China and, while the price was dirt cheap ($89 for 10 boards), so was the quality. The boards were basically unusable. Based on the above post, I decided to give Speedy PCB a try after their quote came in far less than others I had looked at (the 10-piece ranges were from $109 for Speedy to a high of over $400 for a couple of others - admittedly with faster turnaround). Speedy quoted a turn of 20 business days starting from July 27 when I placed the order. The boards were waiting for me when I got home tonight (9 business days including UPS shipping?) and, after looking at them under the inspection microscope, they look to be of very good quality. They even got the soldermask around the BGA pads and vias right - something the previous board house didn't even try.

Anyway, thanks for the tip and I just thought I'd pass along some positive feedback in case anyone else is thinking of trying them.

Dave

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dharper wrote:
Malmkvist wrote:
... I just thought I'd pass along some positive feedback in case anyone else is thinking of trying them.

Dave

Thanks for the feed back, good to know.
John

Resistance is futile…… You will be compiled!

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It's strange no one has ever made a summary of PCB manufacturers and rated them like 1/10, 2 out of 10...

Or is there something like that?

There are pointy haired bald people.
Time flies when you have a bad prescaler selected.

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