Just when you thought the global chip shortage couldn't get worse

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Posted by clawson: Mon. Mar 14, 2022 - 05:05 PM
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I hope this tweet is not correct or large parts of the tech industry could be doomed in the short term.

 

https://twitter.com/MusicTechMag...

 

 

Does anyone who knows about chip fabs know about the role neon plays in the process? Is this "50% Ukrainian" statistic correct?

 

Admittedly the "fact" was posted by Behringer - a company (and personality!) with whom I have a love/hate relationship.

 

Currently I only own one of their synths but have plans to buy at least four, if not five, of the new ones announced in the last couple of weeks - always assuming they ever get into production because of the "chip shortage"!!:

 

 

EDIT: OK so it looks like it ISN'T simply "Behringer gossip" but could be a "real thing":

 

https://gizmodo.com/neon-product...

https://www.tomshardware.com/new...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/12/...

 

EDIT2: so this article from 2016 talks about how neon for DUV lasers was affected by the 2014 conflict in Crimea and how it's basically just Russia/Ukraoine making the neon that are a 98% constituent of the lithography lasers:

https://sst.semiconductor-digest...

 

Most intriguing, but also a bit scary !

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Posted by Brian Fairchild: Mon. Mar 14, 2022 - 05:26 PM
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See Wikipedia on 'neon'.

#1 Hardware Problem? https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/...

#2 Hardware Problem? Read AVR042.

#3 All grounds are not created equal

#4 Have you proved your chip is running at xxMHz?

#5 "If you think you need floating point to solve the problem then you don't understand the problem. If you really do need floating point then you have a problem you do not understand."

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Posted by clawson: Mon. Mar 14, 2022 - 05:41 PM
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Brian Fairchild wrote:
See Wikipedia on 'neon'.
Thanks, so yeah:

Global neon prices jumped by about 600% after the 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea,[46] spurring some chip manufacturers to start shifting away from Russian and Ukrainian suppliers[47] and toward suppliers in China.[45] The 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine also shut down two companies in Ukraine that produce about half of the global supply,[46] and is likely to exacerbate the COVID-19 chip shortage,[45][44] which may further shift neon production to China.[47]

Let's hope the Chinese sources are now developed and ready to take over.

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Posted by david.prentice: Mon. Mar 14, 2022 - 06:31 PM
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There is a Youtube channel called asianometry.   This is a recent video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

 

The whole series seems to be well put together.   I am more familiar with cows than semiconductor fabrication.

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Posted by El Tangas: Mon. Mar 14, 2022 - 07:07 PM
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david.prentice wrote:
There is a Youtube channel called asianometry.

 

Yeah that guy has great insight on the semiconductor industry, I've watched his vids for quite some time.

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Posted by avrcandies: Mon. Mar 14, 2022 - 07:47 PM
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I'm gonna go and collect all of my neon bulbs & Nixie displays & donate them to Microchip.

I wonder if that is why there are so many surplus Russian Nixie tubes still floating around?

http://www.neonixie.com/

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Posted by Heisen: Mon. Mar 14, 2022 - 10:48 PM
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clawson wrote:

Just when you thought the global chip shortage couldn't get worse

 

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Posted by barnacle: Tue. Mar 15, 2022 - 07:48 AM
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avrcandies wrote:
http://www.neonixie.com/

 

Ooh, hadn't come across them, and they look like a US source rather than an increasingly dubious eastern European place.

 

Though Jan Wuestens still has stock (except for the parts I want, of course) in Germany.

 

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Posted by Scroungre: Tue. Mar 15, 2022 - 07:54 AM
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Air Liquide offers a variety of purity of neon - call them for a quote (heh heh):

 

https://industry.airliquide.us/neon

 

I've worked with Air Liquide before, although not with neon specifically.  They run argon by the railroad car load.  They've always been perfectly professional - I'd be happy to work with them again.  S.

 

ETA:  What is the point of purchasing more than two keyboards, unless you plan to play them with your toes or something?  What?

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Posted by avrcandies: Tue. Mar 15, 2022 - 08:08 AM (Reply to #8)
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They have a link o their new site...looks like the selection may have dwindled (or maybe they keep some in "the back room")

http://www.allspectrum.com/store...

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Mar 15, 2022 - 09:20 AM
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Nixies...

 

https://twitter.com/MicrochipMak...

 

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Posted by Jeckson: Tue. Mar 15, 2022 - 12:21 PM
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El Tangas wrote:

david.prentice wrote:
There is a Youtube channel called asianometry.

 

Yeah that guy has great insight on the semiconductor industry, I've watched his vids for quite some time.

Me,either

www.tokopedia.com/madagang .Buy and Donated cheap electronics and manuscripts.

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