JTAGICE3 vs JTAGICE3KIT?

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JTAGICE3 at UK Farnell - GBP170.20 (+VAT)
http://uk.farnell.com/atmel/atjt...

JTAGEICE3 at UK Mouser - GBP78.20 (+VAT)
JTAGEICEKIT UK Mouser - GBP63.25 (+VAT)
http://uk.mouser.com/Search/Refi...

Do I need to buy both Mouser items to get the Farnell item?..and how do these relate to the often-quoted "you can get a JTAGICE3 for $99"?

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how do these relate to the often-quoted "you can get a JTAGICE3 for $99"?

The $99 price is quoted from http://store.atmel.com .

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hmmm...+ $41 shipping, shipped from Malaysia, so + UK VAT on $140 plus a DHL collection fee

What I'm really after is "what's in the box" from the various offerings
- Atmel store JTAGICE3
JTAGICE3 unit
USB High Speed cable ~1.5m
50-mil squid cable
50-mil IDC cable
Adapter kit consisting of 10-pin 100 mil, 6-pin 100 mil, and 6-pin 50 mil

- UK Farnell JTAGICE3
doesn't explicitly say, but picture shows the cables

- UK Mouser JTAGICE3
doesn't say at all, picture just shows the unit

- UK Mouser JTAGICE3KIT
doesn't say at all, no picture (and can't find any useful Internet reference to JTAGICE3KIT except for the Mouser page)

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Martin,

A rather long-winded way to find out (well maybe not with "next day delivery") is to simply order anything you are interested in then "distance selling regulations" mean you have 7 days to return for a complete refund if not satisfied. That does mean "unopened" though so you could only go by any info printed on the outside of the sealed box.

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I would assume that JTAGICE3 means that you get the complete package.
The "ACCKIT" is presumably just a con. i.e. outrageous price for the adapters.

Where did other readers buy their JTAGICE3 devices?
If I was in the US, I would certainly choose Mouser before AtmelStore and the "delivery charges"

If Mouser was to engage in sharp practice, we would have heard some whingeing by now.

David.

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I'm obviously attracted by the UK Mouser price for the JTAGICE3 (I order from them often, VAT is added at checkout and stuff arrives in 2-3 days from the USA and is import duty and customs paid) but am wondering if it's just the unit itself and you really need the JTAGICE3KIT to make it usable - and that's one helluva price for some cables, if it is.

Don't know if DSR works for items shipped to the UK from the US - and presumably I'd have to pay the return cost?

I suppose I could always ask UK Mouser...:)

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I bought my JTAGIC3 from Mouser SE (they deliver directly from US), no accessory kit needed. As far as I can see (from the image at DigiKey, (where the kit is cheaper)), the accessory kit only includes the cables and adapters that comes with the JTAGICE3.

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Where did other readers buy their JTAGICE3 devices?
All those attending the Atmel seminars last year got one for nuffin including cables.

Well it costed us a day's work but....

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Where did other readers buy their JTAGICE3 devices?

Me: Atmel store (along with some other stuff, so the shipping got a wee bit smeared out).

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clawson wrote:

...order anything you are interested in then "distance selling regulations" mean you have 7 days to return for a complete refund if not satisfied....

IIRC, these Regulation only apply to consumers, not business users. Farnell's T&C state...

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The Company is a business to business supplier. The Catalogue and any specialogues and other product brochures produced by the Company are intended for use by business customers and not consumers. By ordering, the Customer confirms that he, she or it wishes to obtain the Supplies for the purposes of his, her or its business and not as a consumer.

Although, confusingly, there is also a bit about the DSRs in the T&C as well.

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Ooh I'd say they are on a very sticky wicket. When they sell things like Raspberry Pi's the sales pages they produce are clearly aimed at "consumers" not business customers. While they may over-ride that with T&C's I doubt that's allowable otherwise everyone would be avoiding the distance selling regulations simply by hiding such an over-ride in their T&C's.

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Got a reply from UK Mouser...

Thank you for your recent inquiry to Mouser Electronics. The attached quote is valid for 30 days from the original date quoted. When placing your order by phone, please refer to the Mouser Quote # XXXXXXX to ensure you receive the quoted prices.

LINE 1 - JTAGICE3: This part contains the following: JTAGICE3 unit USB High speed cable 1.5m 50 mil squid cable 50 mil IDC cable Adapter kit consisting of 10-pin 100 mil, 6-pin 100 mil and 6-pin 50 mil.

Last questions - as a CVAVR user:
- I can program via JTAGICE3 from the CVAVR IDE? (it's in the dropdown so I assume so)?
- I can debug via JTAGICE3/AS6/a CVAVR COFF file (but I have to not optimise for speed (or was it not for size))?

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I assume a jtagice3 will only function with atmel studio6 and win7. I cant get it to work with as6 and xp even.

Imagecraft compiler user

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There's zero documentation publically available about its communications protocol,
So this is a product only for those who love AS5+. No Eclipse, no GDB..

No RSTDISBL, no fun!

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Well it costed us a day's work but....

...but you got to bask in my warm personality.

We don't sell raw JTAG-ICE3 units, so it's either just the cables or the cables plus debugger. If someone is offering the debugger, the cables will be included.

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There's zero documentation publically available about its communications protocol,
So this is a product only for those who love AS5+. No Eclipse, no GDB..

Avarice got some reverse-engineered support recently, so presumably AVRDUDE will follow eventually.

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I assume a jtagice3 will only function with atmel studio6 and win7. I cant get it to work with as6 and xp even.

It most certainly works with AS6 and XP - a lot of our engineers and FAEs still use XP.

- Dean :twisted:

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abcminiuser wrote:
Avarice got some reverse-engineered support recently, so presumably AVRDUDE will follow eventually.
I use my JTAGICE3 without problems with both avrdude and AVaRICE (avrdude support came before AVaRICE).