Is it a case of competence or competitiveness

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Altium ( Protel of old) has shifted it's HQ from Sydney to Shanghai.

The reason for the move is better chances of developing cloud based electronics design tools systems.

Altium will draw on the talent pool in China to expand its R&D team.

Altium will retain Australia and New Zealand support team in Sydney along with a small software development team.

Which part of the industry next?

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I wonder if they will continue to be listed on the Australian Stock Exchange? Unfortunately, it's all about profitability and generating income steams. Everyone has figured out that cloud based services means that you can create a continuous income stream and stamp out piracy - that has to be good for business. Also, there's a big market in China for their software so with local development and support, that has to be a big advantage over the competition.

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Everyone has figured out that cloud based services means that you can create a continuous income stream

only if you provide something the customer is willing to pay for...Altium dropped the ball on release 10 IMHO and therefore did not renew their subscription...they no longer offered any value and continue to invest in crap that has nothing to do with the reason I used them before...they will probably fade even further in the future as the software companies focused on pcb layout will provide more bang for the buck in the future...Altium has not had a creative idea in a long time...they try to do a lot of things to justify their price, but in the end they do nothing really well, especially if you just want pcb layout sofware!

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I have to admit with bluegoo here....

You are forces online because they do no longer have anounced updates, but at random interval put an update on the web.

Version 9 was unstable and could crash for no apparent reason. Even during meetings/seminars of atmel when demonstrating it would all of the sudden crash. Nothing has been done to solve those issues. A number of stupid features has been added, just for marketing purpose, but a number of basic problems that where already in AD8 and have been adressed by multiple people have not been handled nor solved.
If they now moved their development to china then I think it is just a matter of time before the package becomes so crappy that people will go and look for other tools. All other board designer packages are slowly integrating a 3D environment into their system that this advantage will fade.
Its a petty that they did not understand that it takes at least 10 Chinese to do the work of 1 Australian worker and that those 10 people still need to be supervised and their work double checked....

I also no longer believe their claim that the boss himself is still testing every release, as the problems are so easy to generate that he should have seen them more then once. and now with the new policy of sending a daily update this for sure can not be met.

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LOL I still use CLIENT 3.2 Simples. I tried all of the various upgrades over the years and could never justify any of them.

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Some interesting points of view there.
I have been considering purchasing my own copy of Altium because the company I work for can't justify it and I feel in danger of being left behind. Sounds like its probaby a big waste of hard earned.
Thanks for the timely information.

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They don't seem to gave made a profit for years, I've never understood how they can keep trading. That probably explains the move to China.

Leon Heller G1HSM

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Kartman wrote:
Everyone has figured out that cloud based services means that you can create a continuous income stream and stamp out piracy

I find Cloud based services still risky, if the server dies(say a hacker found he's way through the system), and not everything has been backed up, you can lose a lot of hours of work…

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Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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IMHO Altium is the Rolls Royce of PCB development, but the product is just too expensive for the average user. They have priced themselves out of a large slice of the market. This is not unlike what has happened to the Rolls Royce, which is now German.

Charles Darwin, Lord Kelvin & Murphy are always lurking about!
Lee -.-
Riddle me this...How did the serpent move around before the fall?

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schtevo wrote:
Some interesting points of view there.
I have been considering purchasing my own copy of Altium because the company I work for can't justify it and I feel in danger of being left behind. Sounds like its probaby a big waste of hard earned.
Thanks for the timely information.

save your money..unless they give it to you for $2k, that is what I bought the upgrade from Protel98SE to Altium 9 for (skipped DXP version)..
if I was you I would watch the mid range vendors especially Eagle..I never thought it was very good but they have made significant advances recently..more and more people are using them..there was an interesting article online recently about the distributors and their marketshare..the one that caught my eye was Newark/Farnel/Element14 or whatever they are calling themselves this week...they bought Eagle and their management indicates they are going to spend a lot of dev $$$ making it a lot better..their strategy is to make it easier to not only layout a pcb, but link it to their suppliers and parts they distribute (including libraries)..same stragtey as others but what makes them different is they are a very large distributor not just a pcb sofware vendory so it might actually happen..

another tidbit that turned me off Altium 10 upgrade was during a Altium sales seminar I inquired about the lack of current libraries for parts for it...the sales manager said they were getting out of the library business part and were going to let the comp vendors deal with it..good luck with that....current libraries makes you productive as a designer so you do not have to roll your own everytime you do a design with some new parts and that is one of the previous reasons I was willing to pay for a service subscription $$$...but Altium is not going to do it anymore they said!