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Posted by Greg_Muth: Thu. Jul 19, 2018 - 04:27 PM
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I downloaded MPLAB a couple of days ago just to take a look.  I was pleasantly surprised to see the first steps in AVR support.  Nothing works yet, but it is a start.  I look forward to the day when Microsoft Windows will be a thing of my past.

 

When I started up MPLAB (from Ubuntu 18) while a MEGA328PB X-Mini was connected:

 

MPLAB detecting a MEGA328PB Xplained Mini

 

 

When I created a new project:

 

MPLAB with an option for projects using AVR micors

 

 

Import a project from AS into MPLAB:

 

MPLAB Project Import

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Posted by jgmdesign: Thu. Jul 19, 2018 - 04:35 PM
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This subject came up in another ongoing  thread recently.

 

https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/...

 

 

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Posted by Greg_Muth: Thu. Jul 19, 2018 - 04:57 PM
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So when is MPLAB X IDE v5.0 being released..?

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Posted by avrcandies: Thu. Jul 19, 2018 - 05:54 PM
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Does it still include the full compilers?

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.

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Posted by hagbard: Fri. Jul 20, 2018 - 09:35 AM
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really looking forward to ditch AtmelStudio for Mplab. Finally a great IDE comming to AVR. Also no more need for Windows.

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Posted by jgmdesign: Fri. Jul 20, 2018 - 12:11 PM
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hagbard wrote:
really looking forward to ditch AtmelStudio for Mplab. Finally a great IDE comming to AVR.

While I am no fan of Visual Studio being its a Msnot product I rather like AtmelStudio.  JMO

 

hagbard wrote:
Also no more need for Windows.

YES!  Agree on that fully.  The idea of not needing Msnot anymore would be a welcome thing to me.....and many others.

 

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I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

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Posted by gchapman: Fri. Jul 20, 2018 - 12:48 PM (Reply to #5)
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hagbard wrote:
really looking forward to ditch AtmelStudio for Mplab. Finally a great IDE comming to AVR.
A fire starter for a flame war? wink

Both Atmel and Microchip have MCU IDE that stand-out from the crowd.

hagbard wrote:
Also no more need for Windows.
That's good as Apple has a 7% utilization amongst personal computers.

Major PC OEM have Linux options for new PC.

Windows still has hold in some applications that embedded systems (software and hardware) designers operate (ECAD, etc)

 

SEGGER - The Embedded Experts

Overview of Supported IDEs

https://www.segger.com/products/debug-probes/j-link/technology/ides/overview-of-supported-ides/

not in SEGGER's IDE list is Microsoft Visual Studio Code :

AVR Studio On Mac & Linux?

by ka7ehk

https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/avr-studio-mac-linux

IDC and Gartner agree: PC sales up year-over-year in 2nd quarter @ AskWoody

July 13th, 2018

https://www.askwoody.com/2018/idc-and-gartner-agree-pc-sales-up-year-over-year-in-2nd-quarter/

(open either the Gartner or IDC links)

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Individuals are moving to non-Windows platforms.

...

 

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Posted by Greg_Muth: Sat. Jul 21, 2018 - 03:55 PM
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@jgmdesign wrote:

While I am no fan of Visual Studio being its a Msnot product I rather like AtmelStudio.  JMO

I also like Atmel Studio and would prefer to have it ported to Linux, but its dependency on Microsoft products is it downfall.  

 

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Posted by Greg_Muth: Sat. Jul 21, 2018 - 07:15 PM
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I wrote:

So when is MPLAB X IDE v5.0 being released..?

It was released the day before I made the original post:

 

 

 

Note: promoting this reply to "solution."

 

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Posted by luvocean1: Tue. Aug 7, 2018 - 02:48 AM
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Oh no....guys AtmelStudio is the best IDE of all! I love it....MAPLABX is crap. I have used it, don't like it.

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Posted by mojo-chan: Thu. Aug 9, 2018 - 02:58 PM
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I fear that AtmelStudio will be abandoned now. MPLAB isn't as good, especially for code browsing and completion. Doesn't even have a good dark theme.

 

More worrying is what will happen to AVR-GCC support. They have added AVR support to their knock-off version, XC8, but you have to pay to enable optimization. Will they keep improving GCC or will they try to keep all the updates in XC8 and make you pay for it?

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Posted by clawson: Thu. Aug 9, 2018 - 03:08 PM
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mojo-chan wrote:
Will they keep improving GCC
I'm not aware of Atmel ever having "improved"  GCC? Their contribution has simply been adding new device support "ahead of the curve" so their own build supports more devices than the GNU FSF master tree.

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Posted by mojo-chan: Thu. Aug 9, 2018 - 03:50 PM (Reply to #12)
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clawson wrote:

mojo-chan wrote:

I'm not aware of Atmel ever having "improved"  GCC? Their contribution has simply been adding new device support "ahead of the curve" so their own build supports more devices than the GNU FSF master tree.

 

I consider that an improvement :-)

 

Maybe we will start to see new devices supported by XC8 but GCC has to wait. I suppose at least they do have to publish the source code of XC8, but last time I looked it was damn near impossible to build a Windows version without the optimization limitations yourself.

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Posted by gchapman: Thu. Aug 9, 2018 - 04:05 PM (Reply to #11)
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mojo-chan wrote:
I fear that AtmelStudio will be abandoned now.
I'm concerned about the potential demise of Atmel-ICE and therefore EDBG.

Due to EDBG's open interface, third parties are adding, or have added, AVR debugger interfaces.

My concern :

Is MPLAB PICkit 4's interface open source?

A different tack was taken by Texas Instruments in their MSPDS.

mojo-chan wrote:
... or will they try to keep all the updates in XC8 and make you pay for it?
Like XC16, XC8-GCC should have periodic source code releases.

Walling off part of GCC to have a proprietary code generator or an optimized linker can be done, as was done by Somnium, but that didn't fare well (Segger acquired Somnium)

 

Embedded Debugger-Based Tools Protocols User's Guide

http://www.microchip.com/webdoc/GUID-33422CDF-8B41-417C-9C31-E4521ADAE9B4/index.html

TI.com

MSPDS MSP Debug Stack

http://www.ti.com/tool/MSPDS

https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/come-join-us-mplab-now-supports-avrs?page=2#comment-2504476

https://blog.segger.com/the-segger-linker-and-somnium-assets/

 

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Posted by mojo-chan: Thu. Aug 9, 2018 - 04:11 PM (Reply to #14)
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gchapman wrote:

I'm concerned about the potential demise of Atmel-ICE and therefore EDBG.

Due to EDBG's open interface, third parties are adding, or have added, AVR debugger interfaces.

My concern :

Is MPLAB PICkit 4's interface open source?

A different tack was taken by Texas Instruments in their MSPDS.

 

I haven't used PICkit4, but the ICD2/3 were absolutely terrible. Complete junk, barely worked, awful design. PICKIT3 was okay but only programs and still isn't great.

 

The other big issue is that Microchip's production programming stuff seems to be quite poor. With Atmel we were able to integrate atprogram into our automated test environment.

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