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In the thread Eric started there seemed to be a suggestion that a revamped Freaks might be linked to social media sites such as Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, etc.

Just wondered what people's views were on this.

Just vote here - add comments to Eric's thread.

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Article: Social Networking corrals 72 percent of U.S. adults:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3...

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So at most you'd stand to lose 28% of freaks? Wonder which ones?

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I know that Cliff didn't want the discussion here, but since the other thread isn't focused entirely on social media I thought I'd comment here.

I'm seriously in the 'what's social media' column. To me the fact that 72% of the public is on social media doesn't mean a lot. What percent of those are engineers or folks who what to learn about AVRs or would purchase Atmel products?

I don't want to oppose social media just because I'm old and set in my ways, I'd really like a good reason to use any of it and all my investigations to date says it is mostly a time sump for folks pretending to be busy. I seriously don't have a lot of extra time. Yeah, I've got enough to waste here on occasion, but I can also learn a lot here so here I am. Forums have made sense to me since back in the pre-Internet days of dial up bulletin boards. You get to communicate directly on a specific topic. The other stuff just seems like a sort of personal billboard for putting up all your 'ain't I great' stuff. I'm probably not understanding it properly.

Facebook makes sense to me for keeping track of a small group of friends or family, but I don't see the business connection. I can see how twitter might make sense for some businesses were folks need to check in several times a day, but for individuals it just seems like a kind of vanity. LinkdIn, yes if I'm in the job market, which I'm not, or want to keep track of former colleagues, which I don't.

Maybe somebody can explain to me why they use any of that in the context of using Atmel products. What am I missing?

But I also think that any social media added on here would likely be harmless. I can't imagine how any of it would be implemented to force anyone to use it. Atmel already has a Facebook page and a twitter feed - neither of which I have any personal use for - so I can ignore it here as well as there. And as long as it has an optional nature to it, I say go for it. It might help those folks who like those kinds of things and I don't see how it could hurt those of us who don't think we need it. Maybe if some of it is implemented here, some of us might even find a use for it and move into the 21st century. Or not.

Smiley

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+1 with Smiley only because isn't AVRfreaks essentially 'social media' but for a niche market?

You think the moderators have enough to do making sure the threads do not get hostile/nasty/bullying already?

Or keeping threads 'On-Topic'? How would the whole 'Friends' work? Or Twitter with the name calling crap etc...

My 'friends' on Facebook could not give a rats ***hair about who I know in Atmel Land. They are too busy uploading iphone videos of their kids potty training or an instagram of a beach bash I am glad I was not invited to.

Let's keep AVRfreaks the nice closed society that we all have become addicted to in our own special way :)

EDIT: I just noticed Smiley's slight concession about a little social media seeping in here. I guess there's hope for our favorite surly curmudgeon after all :lol:

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Well, since the Social Media comments seem to be accumulating here, not in the other Thread...

Of course I could cross post on both Threads!

I think Atmel needs to do Facebook, Twitter, etc., for the college students / future engineers and programmers.

It is the "norm" for them.

I doubt many older engineers & programmers will be attracted as new members to the AVR Freaks family because of social media connections.

I don't care if the new forum has social media connections as long as it is not obtrusive for those who don't wish to be bothered with that aspect of the site.

I have a Linked In account, and use it infrequently. For most people I need to touch base with I already have their eMail address through other means.

JC

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I would not do it.
For a starter when going on facebook there will have to be a number of people that are watching 24/7 what is posted. You need to have people 24/7 that are accepting new followers. For short: a number of Atmel employees will be needed to keep things going and under control. It will be a lot more work than Atmel has put in the last few years in the freaks forum. As such this will mean that Atmel will set things up and then because they have to keep spending money will pull the plug again.
Atmel on Facebook , fine
A freaks group on Facebook fine, but dont link this great going forum to the facebook stuff. You will need to find people that will run the show and keep it running and seeing what has happened to the few Atmel employees that came here and decided to help make this forum better.... I guess that in the end it will be a mess and thus giving Atmel a bad name...
Be ware that when opening such facebook account you will also have to have people answering questions there.

and as said Facebook is for people that want to look busy, but in the end wasting their time on keeping their followers happy....
Keep in mind that this forum is for enthusiasts, run by enthusiasts and not a student that would like his home work done by others, to me it seems like Atmel has lost that view.
+1 for smiley, with the exception that I think that adding social media here will not be harmless. It will attract more students who want their homework done and as such might scare of real enthustaists and people that come here for years and that are not allowed to say anything about it, because we have to be nice all the time. Just imagine 30 post per day that are only questions like "please give me the code to ......" then you have 30 replies "won't do that, do your own homework" in the end people will dislike Atmel for having such bad forum (as students will be the first to put the 'non helpfull' avrfreaks forum/facebook all over the place) so it might as well back fire in the end.....

just keep the 2 seperated (forum and social media), advertise on social media about the existence of this forum, but don't mix.

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I agree. And example of such forum is http://www.edaboard.com. In theory it is big forum with a large crowd of people, but a lot of topics are students looking for someone to do their homework, many threads die with one or no replies.

NOTE: I no longer actively read this forum. Please ask your question on www.eevblog.com/forum if you want my answer.

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Social Networking corrals 72 percent of U.S. adults

So what? (I would expect a figure like that or higher for US adults having cell phones. Should we turn AVRfreaks into a voice forum?)

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Social networking is for short messages of little long-term value. I see AVRfreaks as a technical forum, where there are more lengthy discussions of (hopefully) longer-term value (at least ocasionally :wink:).

If Atmel wants SN, fine. Do that. On the social networks. Don't turn AVRfreaks into an instagram-like pile of non tech stuff.

AVRfreaks value isn't in marketing as I see it, but in "after-marketing".

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If you want to do stuff with AVRfreaks, how about stopping us getting CAPTCHAs for stuff that does not need it? I just got one for this post.. :roll:

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Eric, if the UK also has 72% on social networking sites then I would be one of them. I use twitter and Facebook daily and LinkedIn from time to time but I use that for contact with family and friends (ok, maybe not LinkedIn). In my opinion it has absolutely no place on a site such as Freaks which is professional and technical. Would anyone here really care that last night I posted on Facebook that I'd just found a new Indian takeaway and eaten the best Indian meal I ever ate? (I did and it was wonderful!).

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Well, I can't remember how many cups of tea that I have enjoyed or recommended to AvrFreaks!

David.

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Whatever changes you make , don't have an OFF TOPIC section in the revamped forum. Just imagine all the young kiddies who will become offended if a slightly risqué comment is made, or even worse, god forbid, the melt down that will occur should some irresponsible person mention the latest school massacre and it gets out on SM. Us oldies won't be able to handle it! :(

Charles Darwin, Lord Kelvin & Murphy are always lurking about!
Lee -.-
Riddle me this...How did the serpent move around before the fall?

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It must be just me but I find the "like" thing on Facebbok infantile at best, but mostly ridiculous.

Now if Facebook implemented a HATE button then I would be all for that, it's not for nothing that I have aquired a senior's card which gives me the governmental right to be grumpy and hate everything whenever I feel like it!

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

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it's not for nothing that I have aquired a senior's card which gives me the governmental right to be grumpy and hate everything whenever I feel like it!

+1 I hit the big 65 in two weeks time!

Charles Darwin, Lord Kelvin & Murphy are always lurking about!
Lee -.-
Riddle me this...How did the serpent move around before the fall?

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Well mine it's a senior's card (60+) not a pensioner's card (65+). :wink:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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EW wrote:
Article: Social Networking corrals 72 percent of U.S. adults:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3...

I'm not a heavy user, being a geezer and all. But when I use social media, it is for ... SOCIAL ... purposes.

I frequent a couple of Facebook pages that have probably "moderate" traffic. I looked at them, and couldn't figure out how I might find past information discussing e.g. pinchange on Mega165. Perhaps it is just my geezerishness not knowing how to operate?

The LinkedIn Atmel AVR Developers thing is kind of interesting. Will/would it be useful for "full" support threads with attachments for pictures/files such as the extensive Forum threads?

I'll re-iterate: Will it be able to incorporate the invaluable archives of the past dozen years of 'Freaks Forum threads? That is IMO the most important part of 'Freaks. What is left after that consists of announcements and the plethora of "getting temperature displayed on an LCD display" questions.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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I also frequent a FEW Facebook pages, but they are pages of real friends. Purely social. I have yet to find a business or technical one that was useful enough to warrant the effort.

I see business sites as one way operations. Is there a new product? Has Application Note XYZ been updated? Is the company going to have something at ABC-CON? Where is the next Word Tour going?

I have yet to find any of these sites that helped me solve a problem. Or, make a better component choice or cut the BOM cost. Or, tell me how to solve a pointer problem in C. AVR Freaks? All the time, baby, all the time (with huge thanks to all of the contributors).

I have an idea: Put the first page or two of Atmel's web site on Facebook., Remove that crap from the web site and get us right to the juicy stuff.

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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In the OFF-Topic area there was a sticky IIRC of POST A PIC OF YOUR RECENT PROJECT Some neat stuff there. MAybe turn the off topic forum int a more social driven adventure with a 'menu' of sorts like "Ross' Friday funny", The projects pictures, Announcements of All things Atmel, Maker Faires, Magazine articles etc.

Run a 'Make Smiley smile' contest. Winner gets an ICE200(duck!!) :lol:

Just a thought

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My wife and I only use FB to coordinate the social activities of our very large family (cousins and their offspring, etc).

And Jim, I am happy with the current level of my Friday contributions. Please don't obligate me to more than that. Please! That is not funny.

So where is your inaugural contribution to the "Make Smiley Smile" thread? :lol:

Cheers,

Ross

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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I have a congenital skin condition that prohibits the facial motion necessary to smile (Basset Hound Droop Syndrome). However, I can think of a couple of people here you can kill for me, and I'll use my fingers to hold my lips in a fairly reasonable simulation of a smile (though I will also drool a bit). I'll post pictures of my smile after you post pictures of the corpses. And you have to figure out who the victims should be. I'll smile when you get it right.

Smiley

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Now that is funny!

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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and couldn't figure out how I might find past information discussing e.g. pinchange on Mega165.

There is this:

https://www.facebook.com/AtmelCo...

(and a few other "Atmel" variants on FB) where I have seen the odd question along the lines of 165 pin-changes. However I only looked at that FB page a couple of times because @Atmel tweeted at one point that they wanted to get their "Likes" number over 100,000 - so I did (it's a bit sad when you have to ask for friends isn't it!). I'm guessing not many Freaks read that (or other Atmel pages on FaceBook) regularly? And that's kind of the point.

I assume that the possible integration of FB/Twitter in a new Freaks might look something a bit like this:

http://dangerousprototypes.com/2...

that has FB and Twitter "buttons" towards the top of the page. Presumably the idea is that you read something stupendous on Freaks (or dangerous prototypes or wherever) and think it is so earth shattering you must tell all your friends and family. So you click the button and make an FB or Twitter post about it with a link?

I'm scratching around trying to think which members of my family would actually be interested in something I've read/seen on Freaks ... err, no, I've got nothing so far.

I see nothing wrong with Atmel asking you to follow (or even Like!) them on FB or Twitter on some new site but I couldn't see a point in it being like one of those really annoying sites that hovers FB/Twitter buttons down the side of whatever page you are reading expecting you to "publish" it to friends and family. Something like this:

http://www.addthis.com/

(buttons on the left and at top right as you scroll). That kind of thing is intensely annoying. As a search for "how to add FB/Twitter buttons" shows it's all about e-commerce. It's not about "being social".

Social networks are for socialising. Only the kind of people who frequent the comic store in Big Bang Theory really have a social group who'd be remotely interested how they implemented that 15 cycle floating point multiply routine! My granny, mum, aunt, sister, brother, nephew, niece just aren't interested in my geekiness.

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My apologies if I offended you Ross and Joe.

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

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No problems Jim... obviously I forgot the :lol:. I am embarrassed that you would consider my frivolous contributions as worthy for anything even worth mentioning. But maybe tomorrow's will fill the bill...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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and couldn't figure out how I might find past information discussing e.g. pinchange on Mega165.

There is this:

xxxx//www.facebook.com/AtmelCorporatio...


What I meant was, I don't know how to search Facebook to find all references to e.g. Mega165. As we might do a forum search here to find past discussions.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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In the OFF-Topic area there was a sticky IIRC of POST A PIC OF YOUR RECENT PROJECT Some neat stuff there.

+1, (Well +100, really)

Don't wish to lose this with the new forum.

It is intriguing and educational to see how others have tackled embedded projects.

JC

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What I meant was, I don't know how to search Facebook to find all references to e.g. Mega165.

ISWYM but I don't think there's a suggestion that Freaks would be hosted on Facebook, just that the threads/posts may have something like FaceBook/twitter "share" links.

BTW if I go to FaceBook and search "ATmega128" (I thought it could be a popular search term) then the result is a little disappointing, Facebook effectively cops out and just shows me results from Bing (why Bing and not Google goodness knows!). I don't think there is a way to thread search or, rather "timeline search" to find every public mention of atmega168.

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By the way, for all practical purposes, AVR Freaks IS more of a "social media" than anything else I regularly use. It is certainly social (its been so for a long time, but even more with the Off Topic forum). There is a regular community of folks who "know" each other about as well as you can on-line.

I really fail to see what something like FaceBook would add! How could I solve my oscillator problem faster with a link to FaceBook? How could I get an answer about C pointers or PROGMEM strings easier with FB there? How could I get my regular fix of Ross's Friday Humor (or is it Humour?) in any better style?

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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I don't think there is a way to thread search or, rather "timeline search" to find every public mention of atmega168.

Exactly; that was my point.

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ISWYM but I don't think there's a suggestion that Freaks would be hosted on Facebook,

https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...
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While I know that a lot of you don't do the Social Media thing, there are people who are Atmel users and customers that do. I can't make any guarantees.

I guess I got that impression. Sorry.

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You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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clawson wrote:
that has FB and Twitter "buttons" towards the top of the page. Presumably the idea is that you read something stupendous on Freaks (or dangerous prototypes or wherever) and think it is so earth shattering you must tell all your friends and family. So you click the button and make an FB or Twitter post about it with a link?
Would make it easier.
An example I performed was on AtomicZombie's AVRCade post.

"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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EW wrote:
Article: Social Networking corrals 72 percent of U.S. adults
Poll results so far: Definitely not 72% [ 43 ]

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jgmdesign wrote:
My apologies if I offended you Ross and Joe.
I wasn't offended and was just playing along with the gag. However, the Basset Hound Droop Syndrome is a real medical condition that I suffer from. It is bad enough that I can't smile, but when my wife puts a dog biscuit on my nose and says 'stay...' well it is just plain embarrassing. Some times she walks off and forgets to come back and I spend hours cross eyed and drooling and not getting any work done. That's usually when I log into AVRFreaks, since I can't do anything useful anyway.

And speaking of hijacking a thread. Freaks links to social media - why is this any different than it is on any other website with those links? I can ignore them here just as well as I ignore them there. They only take up a little bit of space usually at the bottom of the page. Folks who don't want to use them don't have too and folks who do want to use them have the opportunity. There are lots of different kinds of folks on the Internet and if some like that sort of thing, why is it a problem for those of who don't since we aren't forced to use it?

So 72% of us won't use it, is that any reason for the links to not be available to those who might? After all, it is the Atmel folks who will have to keep those other sites functioning, not us.

Smiley

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Be grateful she does not tell you to roll over and play dead

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

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This forum is attracting a lot of new people and I feel like many of the regulars are not very noob friendly.

May I suggest adding subforums for newbies, etc?

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This forum is attracting a lot of new people and I feel like many of the regulars are not very noob friendly.
We LOVE noobs!! Fresh meat! :)

Once in a while some of us go off our regular feed and get funky. This usually happens around mid-terms, and school finals. While some of it can be a bit over zealous think of it as a wake up call to when they have a real job and sleeping at your desk until the last minute won't fly.

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May I suggest adding subforums for newbies, etc?
Then what? A graduation ceremony to junior high?

See!!! was that so bad ;) :lol:

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

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Anyway if we all get sick of the new forum we can always go bak to the text only avrchat Yahoo forum, perfect for grumpy ol' guys. (do ol' girls get grumpy too??)

It's been very quiet lately.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

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(do ol' girls get grumpy too??)
Call a girl old and find out :)

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

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However, the Basset Hound Droop Syndrome is a real medical condition

Are you still in gag mode or are you serious?

I googled BHDS and got nil.

What I did find was Basset Tail Droop Syndrome. Where did your wife place the buisquit?? :wink:

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I feel like many of the regulars are not very noob friendly.

If you ever see an example of this PM one of the moderators who will deal with it. Our goal here IS to make this place friendly to new-comers. A lot of the bullying that used to happen in the past has been stopped.

OTOH I guess it depends what you mean by "not noob friendly". If you mean the answers given are too technical for the noob to understand I'm afraid there's probably not a lot can be done about that - microcontrollers and programming them is a complex business so it is going to require some dedication from a noob to learn. What is it someone once said? "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start.". Not sure where I read that but it sounds true ;-)

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In addition, if refusing to provide a full solution to an obvious request for completing a "noob's" homework actually does qualify as "not being noob friendly", this would bias that statement quite heavily as well. Not everybody does have uncle Xyx's attitude of providing code just for anything that gets asked for whatever dubious reason.

Einstein was right: "Two things are unlimited: the universe and the human stupidity. But i'm not quite sure about the former..."

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I'm a noob (only been on the forum for a week). Everyone has been friendly to me. Even with some stupid idiotic mistakes in code they still assisted and asked for clarification.

What I do see in some of the "noob" posts is folks not providing clear information and/or showing any initiative to do the work themselves. If I know something (like how to make a 2 transistor rs232 level shifter) I will provide some pointers, but I won't do it for you. All the pushback I've seen from the curmudgeons is nothing more than telling folks to do a marginal amount of work on their own.

Then again, I'm a curmudgeon myself.

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I'm a curmudgeon myself.

Welcome to the club ;-)

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Luckily for me the membership requirements are quite relaxed. :P

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I guess that I am an old fogey rather than a curmudgeon.

Yes, sometimes I get grumpy too.

We do try to distinguish between the genuine question and the "idle student". I try to point the student in a sensible direction. However, some horses fail to drink!

Regarding Facebook etc. I have no problem with small icons placed out of harm's way. Then it is a personal choice for the reader.

OTOH, I get very irritated by this:
http://www.farmersguardian.com/home/arable/us-harvest-will-be-crucial-to-grain-prices-experts-claim/57979.article?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NLGeneral

If you are using a narrow window, the "BIG ICONS" obscure the article that you are trying to read.

Other websites place advertising links obtrusively. So that you inadvertently click on them.

IMHO, it is just a question of sensible web-page design. Provide an attractive page that conveys the information and is still pleasant to use.

The advertising will still be effective. For a start, you have not annoyed the prospective customer.

David.

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OTOH, I get very irritated by this:

David,

I looked at the link and thought "what's he on about?". Then I realised it was being suppressed by the NoScript add-on to Firefox. Once I turned that off I saw the annoying icons you are talking about so two things come out of this:

1) you may want use NoScript if you use FireFox (or it may even be a reason to start using Firefox) then you can have these things filtered out of your life forever.

2) if Atmel are to implement something like those annoying icons (which are what I too really hate about "social networking" icons and prompted this thread) then please, please implement it exactly how farmersguardian.com are doing it. That way we can all guarantee to be able to "turn it off" by the use of NoScript :-)

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I looked at it with Apple Safari and didn't see what these comments are describing. There are three relatively small link icons up in the right corner. When I drag the window narrower, they slide inward until the window edge is just over the red search button, at which point, they disappear.

So, no biggie from them. However, this DOES point to the need to test web page layout and function with a wide variety of browsers.

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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didn't see what these comments are describing.

The circled icons in this - they "move with the page"...

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I do use FireFox.

I do agree with Jim. i.e. web-designers should test pages with a wide variety of browsers.

Jim, on FireFox, you see 4 large icons on the left side of the page. They obscure the text on a regular window. They are unobtrusively in the margin if you have a full-screen window.

Yes, of course punters can turn features on or off if they make an effort. However, most will leave everything at their default. (I am a regular punter)

David.

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OK, didn't notice the left ones. The right ones behaved as I described.

The left ones slide onto the content frame as I narrow the Safari window. When the view window just matches the content frame, the left ones also go away. There is a smallish region of view window width just barely wider than the content frame where the left ones do overlap onto content. Pretty annoying.

Again, it points out the need to check web page design under a wide variety of conditions. Not just browser, but window size, screen resolutions, content blockers or modifiers, and such.

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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Anyway....we may be getting all excited for nothing...we may have to keep the current forum for a long time yet, I'll believe it when I see it.

Oh and this is not just because we are here in the middle of a federal election when we get promised the world. :evil: Would that make a person even more cynical?

But Atmel proved me wrong with the availabilty of the XmegaE5 before, I challenge them to prove me wrong again with the forum!! :mrgreen:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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So this is what happens on another site when you open a thread, both Facebook and Google + buttons appear.

What happens after someone does the infantile Like? Do all members get more spam posts or just the ones who choose to be linked to those sites? (good to know no one like my post!! :lol: )

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