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I just purchased a subscription to EAGLE and i am trudging through learning it's clunky user interface.  i was wondering if anyone could help me out in telling me how to create the little VCC tags with the circle to attach to the Vcc pins on the AVR.

 

 

Its very frustrating to use this CAD package.  I have to also use the PCB suite too....whoopee

 

Jim

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Last Edited: Sun. May 13, 2018 - 02:24 AM
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Those are in a component library. In mine, the library is supply2. Supply1 is all arrows.

 

It has taken me many years to get halfway comfortable with Eagle. The reverse order, action first, then object to act on, still bugs me. But, its the GERMAN way (And certainly not the Microsoft or Apple Way)!

 

By the way, feel free to PM me with any questions I might be able to help with.

 

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

Last Edited: Tue. May 8, 2018 - 02:07 AM
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THANKS JIM!!

 

I just paid for a subscription to remind me why I despise EAGLE, and cherish DipTrace.

 

One thing I just noticed is that the symbol on the schematic is meaningless... From the properties it seems that the symbol is nothing more than a decorative topper.  In DipTrace the symbol is attached to the NET and if you hover on the symbol it will show you all teh associated connections.

 

Ok, the intent is not to turn this into an EAGLE vs DipTrace waar.

 

THanks Again!

 

East Coast Jim

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Jim and Jim.

 

I think you need the INVOKE command.

 

Ross

 

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Sometimes if I cant find one with the voltage I want (say 33V), i'll take one of the symbols & change the value to 33V ...It will warn me that I can't change the value, but do I want to anyway.  yep, I do.

 

this 12V is straight from the supply2 lib

 

 

This +5V is from supply2, the V+ device, which I forced the value to be +5V  (otherwise it would say V+)

 

if you click on the "eyeball"  menu icon (near the top), you can then click on a net & it will highlight everywhere that net appears...but you can't click on these power symbols (at least in my older version).

 

 

 

 

 

 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.

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Is this software REALLY this bad to use?

 

I am looking for simple SMD resistors and Capacitors.  In DipTrace I simply pick Resistor, or Capacitor, and sleect teh SMD package I want to use.  I can then place as many in my schematic and the software auto numbers them for me.  When done I can go back and edit the values, vendor etc.  NOT IN EAGLE!  It seems there are no generic resistors or capacitors in this huge damned library I have to wade through.  It looks like they want me to know the vendor ahead of time, and look to see if they have a library, etc.

 

What a waste of time.  I have been at this for two days getting nowhere but frustrated.  If I could use DipTrace I would have been done in a few hours and on to the PCB rework.

 

Absolute horror.....sorry I took the project and if I could get out of it I would

 

JIm

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Part of the "problem" is that the library is so huge, to accommodate all the different US and European symbols for a huge range of parts from a very large range of manufacturers (who tend not to standardize). But, then the part you really want is never there. I have gotten pretty used to making my own. Complete with thermal pads that have vias scattered around. Once you learn, its not that hard. Its the learning that is hard.

 

West Coast Jim

 

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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Jim,

How hard is it to make a generic Resistor and capacitor library?  Forget the manufacturer for cryin' out loud.  The designer adds the technical information after the schematic is drawn.  Hell PADS even does this and that package was the most difficult to use yet of the ones I have been tortured with over the years.

 

Packages are standardized...402, 603, 1206 through hole etc....

 

This sucks.

 

DipTrace does have an import utility...and I may just see if I can leverage the customer to let me convert this mess

 

East Coast Jim

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Look at all the resistor packages in the library. I don't think making the footprint choice is any easier during schematic creation or during layout. But, what ever you like or don't like is your choice. 

 

Jim

 

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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My point is that I cannot seem to simply place a resistor or capacitor in the schematic.  I need to have a vendor, a footprint/package etc.  you mean to tell me that EAGLE does not allow this right out of the install?  I only paid $100 for the subscription, but this software is costing me a lot more in time.

 

Just me crabbing out loud I guess.

 

Crabby Jim

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Hi  Crabby laugh:

 

Yeah , it is a bit of a pain... no a big pain, well a double bent over pain finding these parts.

You'll be happy to know that you should know to know that there is a generic RCL library listed (somewhere)...In it you'll find pretty generic R C and L's.

Didn't they tell you that? The factory man was supposed to call after you subscribed.  Hmmm, now where to find a 4 bit dip switch?

 

 

 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.

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Yeah, I do not have a library called 'RD' but there is a library called 'RCL' and after a bunch of bullcrap I was able to add a resistor to the schematic.

 

 

avrcandies wrote:
Didn't they tell you that? The factory man was supposed to call after you subscribed.

I think this is what is called "Sarcastic Bull***" correct?

 

Jim

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What about NETPORTS?

 

JIm

 

EDIT:

I am also not having an easy time finding headers...I am trying to make a 2x3 ISP header .1" center...more searching....

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Last Edited: Sun. May 13, 2018 - 04:07 AM
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You need glasses Jim. It is NOT "RD", but "R C L" (spaces added for your eyes.

 

I wish I lived around the corner from you. crying

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Oh boy, don't take offence, I absolutely can't let this one  pass up.  Apologies in advance laugh (of your credit card payment)

 

Don't be a pinhead, use

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valusoft wrote:
You need glasses Jim

 

I have a directory called RCL.  And I have glasses Thanks.  Then what does RD have to do with this?

 

I found the headers...but alas the library does not give me the pin spacing in a nice way.  

 

 

Program is called EAGLE....Should have been called DODO

 

Jim

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I think this is what is called "Sarcastic Bull***" correct?

I have not yet heard from the factory man either.  I had to grit my way through it---more than a few arrrrrgs along the way! 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.

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Hot cup of tea time, Jim, I think. I guess you under a lot of pressure at the moment. I will withdraw so as not to increase the pressure...

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Broadcast direct from our pinhead lib studio, special guest tonight the Eagle, the one hit wonder

 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.

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LMAO candies!

Where did you find that?

Jim

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LMAO candies!

Where did you find that?

It is in the pinhead lib  (I believe it is a std Eagle lib, unless I downloaded it elsewhere)

==================

 

 

More seriously , Bob Starr has done a tremendous job improving the Eagle lib offerings (though still maintained somewhat in the haphazard (compatible) organization)...however he has tweaked many parameters that were previously left unset , improperly set, etc.

They are very easy to bring into your system and add to our Eagle lib search path.  Many of the original Eagle libs left, ahem, a little to be desired  (such as uniformity).

 

http://www.bobstarr.net/pages/downloads.html

 

 

These library files are designed to completely replace the default Eagle library set and are updated frequently. All library components are carried forward with any new release of Eagle to maintain compatibility with existing designs.

These libraries are suitable for commercial/production grade work with many new proven components and packages.

 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.

Last Edited: Sun. May 13, 2018 - 05:04 AM
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I will certainly look into that in the morning. Time to call it a day. I have moved from crabby to one level worse so enough of this crap for now. Thanks all for the help.

Cheers
Jim

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(you can make EAGLE a lot nicer by deleting all the vendor-specific libraries that you are extremely unlikely to use.)

 

Also, check out: https://www.instructables.com/id...

Especially starting where it says "One of the major challenges of using Eagle is finding the components you want in the "official" libraries", and

Resistors, simple components that they are, cause a lot of confusion for Eagle beginners, perhaps because the eagle library contains 100+ different package/schjematic options for generic resistors. Or perhaps it's because a search for short word like "R" isn't practical, and a search for "resistor" turns up a bunch of special purpose specific-manufacturer devices.

 Note that the instructable dates back to v4.15, so various bits may have changed.

 

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jgmdesign wrote:
Ok, the intent is not to turn this into an EAGLE vs DipTrace waar.
Go use KiCad then. angel

Sorry, you probably have your reasons for wanting to buy Eagle, but I just could not resist.

Paul van der Hoeven.
Bunch of old projects with AVR's:
http://www.hoevendesign.com

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I purchased a subscription because the clients schematic and pcs are all done in Eagle and even though DipTrace can import the files I cannot go backwards so I thought it best to simply drop the $100 and make my life easier.....well that thought backfired.

Jom

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Have you tried the support forum? Tech support is quite good.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/bd-p/3500

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RickB wrote:

Have you tried the support forum? Tech support is quite good.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/eagle-forum/bd-p/3500

 

Admittedly no, I have not.  I think I am about at the end with the schematic.  Will try the PCB part of the suite tomorrow.

 

Jim

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jgmdesign wrote:

I purchased a subscription because the clients schematic and pcs are all done in Eagle ...

 

Guess that also tells you they want to avoid using Eagle too ;)

 

You could download the v5 rc2 KiCad from here http://downloads.kicad-pcb.org/w...

- and quickly try the Eagle File import, which I believe is now very good. Easy to see how it works.

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I can import an EAGLE file into the software I use too. I was accommodating the client by using EAGLE....live and learn

Jim

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