Digikey---bad times??

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I was ordering parts on Digikey & saw some new checkbox about marketplace items ...???  I asked the Digikey guy what that meant...he told me other people can now sell things on Digikey...OH CRAP...I told him to drop that BS immediately!!

I suppose soon we can buy water faucets & shoelaces there & maybe a pack of cookies & some leather protector.

Maybe even IC "chips" from who knows where   ....that's just what I need.

Anyone think this is a good idea?  Maybe it's just a shock, and I need some leather protector, anyhow.

 

  

 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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avrcandies wrote:

I was ordering parts on Digikey & saw some new checkbox about marketplace items ...???  I asked the Digikey guy what that meant...he told me other people can now sell things on Digikey...OH CRAP...I told him to drop that BS immediately!!...

They must have had you in mind: you need only check the Exclude box. What would concern me not a little is if they were bought up by pirate, sorry, private equity.

- John

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Thanks for the heads up, I'll pass that info to our marketing dept....

they may be interesting in listing our products there.

 

 

 

 

(Possum Lodge oath) Quando omni flunkus, moritati.

"I thought growing old would take longer"

 

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avrcandies wrote:
.he told me other people can now sell things on Digikey.
Oh you mean the ebay/Amazon/Banggood/Alibaba/AliExpress business model?? No I can't see that working out - those companies all seem to be complete business failures...

 

.. oh, wait a minute...

 

Actually I remember when Amazon started to include "marketplace" items and thinking "but Amazon themselves are so good, what possible guaranteed could there be from 3rd parties". Yet here we are a few years later and I hardly ever concern myself with who's actually selling the stuff - I've had as much success with marketplace vendors as with the core Amazon. Same goes for ebay (though I do wince a bit sometimes!)

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Maybe they feel too dominated by the likes of Aliexpress, or Alibaba for electronic components.

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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These days I buy most of my bits and pieces either on Amazon or eBay. In fact if you subscribe to Prime (and I have for years) then the almost instantaneous guaranteed delivery makes it very attractive. In fact this turned up just this morning:

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/prod...

 

I only actually wanted 2 but the fact you could get instant delivery of 10 for £6 seemed to attractive to pass up. I'm sure I'll find a use for the other 8 in time (or it even just offer redundancy though I seem to have succeeded in soldering the pins on the first two tonight).

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clawson wrote:
I've had as much success with marketplace vendors as with the core Amazon.

 

Just the opposite here.

 

I had a couple of issues in the past and when I called Amazon bout it they said its not their problem as I purchased from a third party/marketplace.

 

avrcandies wrote:
I suppose soon we can buy water faucets & shoelaces there & maybe a pack of cookies & some leather protector.

 

In case you have not experienced this, but theres very little electronics manufacturing in the USA anymore.  I am pretty much out of business because the PAC RIM has blown out the competition.  Hell I even use China for my assembly and PCB production as the USA costs and quality are insanely high costs and fair quality.

 

I recently did a repair of a Marshall Valve amp and I needed some 10K 2 watt resistors.  Digikey wanted $0.50 per resistor and over $8.00 shipping for F/EX or UPS or $5/$9 for USPS and it would take 3-5 days to get.  I usually get my shipments in 5 days from them using USPS and 7-10 with UPS FedEx

My total cost through Digiket is about $10 bucks and up to a week wait.

 

I went to Amazon and put '10k 2 watt resistor' in teh search.  I got a hit back....30 pieces and free shipping through PRIME for $6.73  I ordered it on the 23rd and received the parts on the 25th.

 

So Digikey is doing what just about every distributor/supplier is trying to do.....SURVIVE.  Amazon is very aggressively devouring/destroying the global economy.  Soon there will be no more Digikey.  Or Mouser.

 

Jim

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

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Digikey was never the cheapest. 

 

For those I'd always go to local surplus stores (in SoCal, there's quite a few, although many are shadows of what they were) or some other vendors, but Digikey always shipped exactly what we ordered when we ordered it. 

 

""effin" Jameco" was often heard (except the word wasn't quite 'effin') around here as they would gleefully mix in all kinds of other things when we had ordered one lot of one thing (different manufacturers of PLDs require very different programming characteristics, even if they're both "16V8" chips.  HC and HCT and LS and ALS are NOT THE SAME THING, GUYS...).

 

For the small volumes I build, I don't really care.  It's always more important to get the right thing than squeeze out a dollar or two here and there.  My time is worth a lot more than that.  When my gizmos go into mass production, I let their Purchasing Departments deal with it - sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong (see above in re. Jameco!) but at that point it's their money and their problem.

 

S.

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I appreciate a place like Digikey that has ONLY real AVRs & not mixed in with ones sold by Lukyguy or Fan Dango ...that is why we pay the premium price.  Of course, maybe nobody is willing to do so any longer (I certainly buy many parts on the 'bay,, Amazon, Ali, etc for  proto or experimenting, but not production).    So give me a bag of coffee, some 32 bit ARM chips, a pack of bandaids, and some low noise opamps....on the double! 

 

I will say every time I visit Alibaba they have amazing incredible prices & absolutely no datasheets, little real technical data, nor organization or distributors..so getting anywhere with engineering selection is an arduous process..I just spec'd some battery chargers  there.

They are starting to get their act together to make actual ordering easier, rather than getting a "quote"  (want some https://www.alibaba.com/product-...)...so that will be another game-changer.

 

   

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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jfiresto wrote:

They must have had you in mind: you need only check the Exclude box.

 

I missed that detail, nice tip.

 

I also noticed Rochester Electronics is flooding Digikey with listings, but they mostly vanish when I tick that Exclude box. 

 

Also of interest were the many Cypress parts listed with "NO WARRANTY" tags  - there is certainly a 'Digikey dilution effect' appearing. 

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 They must have had you in mind: you need only check the Exclude box.

Bet that box is going away before long, unless you sign up for DigiPal membership, only $99/yr...first 3 months free! 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

Last Edited: Thu. Oct 1, 2020 - 09:48 PM
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Look what happened to Fry’s. Their name is almost a swear word now.

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jfiresto wrote:
They must have had you in mind: you need only check the Exclude box.

 

I don't see such a box....then again, I am not looking all that hard either.

 

s long as they do not mix Marketplace items in the selector parametric I could really care less though

 

JIm

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

Atmel Studio6.2/AS7, DipTrace, Quartus, MPLAB, RSLogix user

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jgmdesign wrote:

jfiresto wrote:
They must have had you in mind: you need only check the Exclude box.

 

I don't see such a box....then again, I am not looking all that hard either.

 

I find it down on the selector with 'in stock' and 'regularly stocking', but it's not an 'Exclude' box - it's an 'Include' box, by default ticked.  S.

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jgmdesign wrote:
Hell I even use China for my assembly and PCB production as the USA costs and quality are insanely high costs and fair quality.
For a sample of one PCB, Aisler is approximately twice that of some PCB fabs in China.

AISLER ❤️❤️ US Manufacturing | AISLER

AISLER - Powerful Prototyping made in the U.S. (also fab'd in Germany)

 

edit : in addition to Digi-Key

Introducing MOUSER as supported distributor for Precious Parts | AISLER

 

 

"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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jgmdesign wrote:

(a)s long as they do not mix Marketplace items in the selector parametric I could really care less though

 

they do.

 

jgmdesign wrote:

I don't see such a box....then again, I am not looking all that hard either.

under their search area, there is 

View Prices At: [     ]

and under that there is these headings 
Stock Status      Media Available      Environmental    Marketplace Product [ ] Exclude

 

 

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If this doesn't turn into a Customer Service Nightmare I'll eat these pixels.

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They were selling some stuff from Adafruit and I think Sparkfun.  A few others too maybe.   Not a bad thing.

 

Actually, if you go to those two vendors, they have a "purchase from Digi-Key" option.   I forget the reasoning behind it, I think it had something to do with this virus.  Helps everybody stay in business.

 

 

Just gettin' started, again....

Last Edited: Fri. Oct 2, 2020 - 12:32 AM
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kk6gm wrote:

If this doesn't turn into a Customer Service Nightmare I'll eat these pixels.

 

The Pixels Contain Potassium Benzoate!   S.

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Scroungre wrote:

kk6gm wrote:

If this doesn't turn into a Customer Service Nightmare I'll eat these pixels.

 

The Pixels Contain Potassium Benzoate!   S.

 

Probably some FD&C RED #2 or something too.....   Everything else does.

Just gettin' started, again....

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They were selling some stuff from Adafruit and I think Sparkfun

Yes Digikey was selling, like they sell many things.  It might be a a different story when hashhead67 starts selling AVR chips there.  Or are they AVR chips?  Will your order still ship if you order by 7 PM?  No, oh too bad.  Problem with the shipment--oh ,sorry, you need to talk to someone else.  You didn't notice those parts came from an unqualified vendor? our apologies, better luck next time.   

It's interesting strategy --if they don't sell their somewhat more solid & pricey parts, they can take a percentage of the selling of "competitors" alternate lower cost parts.

 

This probably shows the disruption these import parts, modules, etc are causing in rerouting of the supply chain. A few weeks ago I bought a reel of HC595's on Amazon cheep (a 3rd party seller on Amazon).

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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My experience so far has been fine. I recently bought some spring probes for a test fixture from a marketplace vendor without issue.

 

DigiKey is a preferred vendor at work, so I fill out a PO form online with A DigiKey part number, it gets batched with other POs for DigiKey and the shipping dept drops it on my desk when it arrives. Easy-Peasy!

 

I see Pololu is one of the marketplace vendors. I caused a kerfuffle once ordering a Baby Orangutan from Pololu. Purchasing Agent was fine once he saw the website. One of the accountants was convinced the PO was a joke or fraud.

 

I'm in no rush to use marketplace parts in a production yet. Current policy is regularly stocked items, with an alternate part number, with reel quantities available; Otherwise we buy a year worth of inventory.

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Indeed. I've already had the unfortunate experience of cleaning out Digikey of a few thousand regulators and then having to change my design because those were all that remained in the world; manufacturer no longer made 'em. It wasn't a happy discovery.

 

Neil

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Scroungre wrote:

jgmdesign wrote:

jfiresto wrote:
They must have had you in mind: you need only check the Exclude box.

 

I don't see such a box....then again, I am not looking all that hard either.

 

I find it down on the selector with 'in stock' and 'regularly stocking', but it's not an 'Exclude' box - it's an 'Include' box, by default ticked.  S.

They just changed it. Yesterday it was an empty Exclude box. Today I get "Include" and a strong blue box to uncheck – which makes explicit that you are opting out.

- John

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avrcandies wrote:
I was ordering parts on Digikey & saw some new checkbox about marketplace items
A lot of places on the web do this.  NewEgg and Walmart, for example.  They clearly tell you if they are selling it, or if not, who is.

 

I don't like to buy from Amazon because they are putting the local businesses out of business.  Around here, Sears, Kmart, Macys, J C Penny, and OfficeMax, are the ones I notice are no longer here.  

 

While the Covid19 is around, I don't go to stores, but I do buy my stuff from local stores for delivery to my house.  There aren't many left.  Walmart, Home Depot and Best Buy are still around.  If I can't get something from them, I go to other on-line stores or the manufacturer's web site.

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I have six tubes of Mega8 chips I wonder if I should try to sell them there.....

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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js wrote:

I have six tubes of Mega8 chips I wonder if I should try to sell them there.....

 

Are you going to use 'hashhead67' as your vendor name?  S.

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Huh? indecision

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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avrcandies wrote:

They were selling some stuff from Adafruit and I think Sparkfun

Yes Digikey was selling, like they sell many things.  It might be a a different story when hashhead67 starts selling AVR chips there.  Or are they AVR chips? 

 

Just messin' with ya.  I could sell some servo motors and power supplies on Digikey... S.