Certification Price and new devices

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Hey freaks...

 

I was thinking about the price to certificate our new radio here in Brazil (ISM band 1W) was expensive and I'll ask to you the price in US or other countries. 

 

Then i found: https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/f...

 

The certification in US (FCC) is around US$ 20k. Ops, more expensive than in Brazil, over here it's around US$ 3700. How much it cost in other countries?

All theses rules are confusing, like here in Brazil, it seen that if you device are below 10 dBm you don't need certificate it.

 

But something makes me think, how does the wireless devices are sold in kickstarter campaigns? They aren't FCC certificate.

Regards,

Bruno Muswieck

Last Edited: Fri. Oct 16, 2015 - 12:26 AM
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brunomusw wrote:
it seen that if you device are below 10 dBm you don't need certificate it.

But you still need to meet all the specifications - your device will still be breaking the law if you don't.

 

brunomusw wrote:
how does the wireless devices are sold in kickstarter campaigns? They aren't FCC certificate.

 

One of the reasons people are trying to raise money on Kickstarter is to be able to pay for the certification!!

 

Note that Kickstarter, et al, are not about selling devices - they are about raising cash for projects.

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Last Edited: Wed. May 20, 2015 - 01:36 PM
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There is similar 10 dBm limit in Russia, but as awneil said it comes with lots of strings attached, like you can't continuously transmit, or use it for voice transfer, only telemetry data is allowed, and many others.  PEople tend to not read past the limit :)

 

Realistically if you know what you are doing and go to cheaper labs, it is possible to get FCC certificate for $12k or so, but not much less. It is cheaper in China, but it is better to have someone there or at least speak the language, since those cheap labs usually don't have people speaking English.

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But you still need to meet all the specifications - your device will still be breaking the law if you don't.

 

For sure...

 

One of the reasons people are trying to raise money on Kickstarter is to be able to pay for the certification!!

 

Note that Kickstarter, et al, are not about selling devices - they are about raising cash for projects.

Yes, they don't sell it but they reward you with the device without certification. Then, reward is ok without certification? frown

 

 

Regards,

Bruno Muswieck

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It is ok to sell devices without certification if they are intended for lab use. After all, you need to turn on not certified device before you can certify it. Also, most of the development kits are sold without certification.

 

I'm not sure at what point it becomes illegal.

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alexru wrote:
most of the development kits are sold without certification.

And have a disclaimer somewhere in the documentation which tells you so.

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alexru wrote:

There is similar 10 dBm limit in Russia, but as awneil said it comes with lots of strings attached, like you can't continuously transmit, or use it for voice transfer, only telemetry data is allowed, and many others.  PEople tend to not read past the limit :)

 

Realistically if you know what you are doing and go to cheaper labs, it is possible to get FCC certificate for $12k or so, but not much less. It is cheaper in China, but it is better to have someone there or at least speak the language, since those cheap labs usually don't have people speaking English.

 

Good point Alex, I will read the inner lines of ANATEL regulation.

 

Second, you mean, can I perform the FCC tests in a not US lab? Like I could perform the FCC tests here in a Brazilian Lab for FCC certification?

Regards,

Bruno Muswieck

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brunomusw wrote:
Second, you mean, can I perform the FCC tests in a not US lab? Like I could perform the FCC tests here in a Brazilian Lab for FCC certification?
Yes, absolutely. There are many labs that can issue FCC certificates. Many of our customers do that, but not for cost saving measure. Usually certification happens where hardware development team is located. Technically FCC certification can be done remotely. but it goes much smoother if developers are present or at least in the same timezone.

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Last Edited: Wed. May 20, 2015 - 05:53 PM