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Freaks,

AVRStudio 5 is finally here, and it's out of beta! Grab it while it's hot:

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/product...

You will have to uninstall any installed AS5 Beta releases before installing this release.

AVRStudio 5 is Atmel's newest upgrade to the aging AVRStudio 4 platform we've all grown to love and hate. It's a huge step forward from a custom IDE, and instead piggybacks off Microsoft's Visual Studio platform to give a large featureset out of the gate.

This thread is not about soapbox complaints about this move; put those in another thread. This thread is for discussion of the AS5 platform as it is actually used.

FAQ:

How big is it?

A little over 600MB, small enough to be burned onto a CD if that's your thing. The installer is completely self-contained, including all the .NET runtimes and Visual Studio Isolated shell needed to get up and running.

This includes the IDE, C compiler/assembler for AVR, XMEGA and AVR32 platforms, as well as tool upgrades and QTouch Studio.

What are the minimum requirements?

You'll need a reasonably powerful machine to run it. Yes, this is a big difference to AS4 that would run on just about anything, but Visual Studio is a heck of a lot bigger and more powerful. Expect to need a few GB of RAM and a decent processor to get running.

What plaforms does it support?

Most of the AVR8, XMEGA and AVR32 devices, in a unified manner - one IDE to easily program and debug any of Atmel's AVRs. That said, there are a few discontinued "legacy" AVR models which are no longer supported that will require AS4 if you want to use them.

The IDE itself only runs on Windows, but the underlying debugging technologies are cross-platform, possibly allowing for a Linux IDE to be used on alternative systems, for example. Speculation for now.

Supported Tools?

Anything with a USB connection, plus the venerable STK500. Older tools are not supported. AS5 also brings support for the newer, faster and cheaper JTAG-ICE3, which will not work with AS4.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

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And for those that don't want to fill out Atmels stupid form for the 100,000,000th time, the direct link is:

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/as5installer-5.0.1163-full.exe

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That said, there are a few discontinued "legacy" AVR models which are no longer supported that will require AS4 if you want to use them.

Does this meant for "Matured Devices" or old devices that are not still stated as matured device?

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AS5 also brings support for the newer, faster and cheaper JTAG-ICE3,

Ans Smaller too.. :)

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Does this meant for "Matured Devices" or old devices that are not still stated as matured device?

The release notes state that you're out of luck for the following:

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The following devices are supported by AVR Studio 4: ATtiny11, ATtiny12, ATtiny15, ATtiny22, AT90S1200,
AT90S2313, AT90S2323, AT90S2343, AT90S4433, AT90S8515, AT90S8535, ATmega323, ATmega161
ATmega163, ATmega103, ATmega165, ATmega169, ATmega406, ATmega16HVA, ATmega16HVA2,
ATmega64HVE, ATmega32U6, AT90PWM2, AT90PWM3, AT90SCR100, AT86RF401

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

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Okay, I let it download overnight, then went to install. It seemed to be taking a while for the Jungo drivers to install so I went to the kitchen, chopped up four bell peppers (2 red, one each orange and yellow) a stalk of celery, three Vidalia onions, and 8 baby zucchini.

Checked back, still installing Jungo drivers.

So I froze 3/4 of the veggies and stir fried the rest in olive oil black pepper and covered them with Parmesan cheese.

Checked back, still installing Jungo drivers.

So I called the wife down to eat and served the vegies with some left over egg casserole and we had a nice meal and converstation.

Checked back, still installing Jungo drivers.

Wrote this stupid item.

Checked back, still installing Jungo drivers.

Canceled the install.

IT WON'T LET ME CANCEL - options are:
"Would you like to cancel the setup after AVR Jungo has finished the install" Clicking NO continues the install. Clicking YES continues the install.

CTRL-ALT-DEL to task manager and kill the Jungo installer ALSO KILLS THE AS5 INSTALLER!

The veggies were great: tasty, colorful, low-cal, and TIMELY.

The AS5 install experience - not so great. So we now have one well fed, but unhappy camper.

Smiley

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Joe,

You disappoint me.

I thought this was going to reveal your famous chilli recipe but it only ended up being a veggie-fest :-(

Cliff

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So I reopened the AS5 installer and got some pretty ladybugs on sorel and finished the installation. Opened it and looked around. Cute! Now to see if I can figure out how to use it. It sort of resembles AS4 but with some extras. I can't take the time today, but soon I'll see if I can get it to program my development boards (Butterfly (ATmega169PA), Arduino Board (ATmega328) and an ATmega644 on a breadboard.)

Smiley

Last Edited: Fri. Jun 3, 2011 - 05:58 PM
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clawson wrote:
Joe,

You disappoint me.

I thought this was going to reveal your famous chilli recipe but it only ended up being a veggie-fest :-(

Cliff

Where did you hear about my chili recipe? It is famous throughout the region, but I wasn't aware the news had crossed the salt pond. Sadly it is a secret so unless you fly over here, you'll just have to take my word for its wonderfulishiousness.

Smiley

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My understanding is that EVERYONE in the US believes they have the ultimate chilli recipe so it was an easy guess!

(reminds me when I went to work on loan at Connexant in Austin, Texas there was a monthly staff chilli contest - and most meals out were tex mex with endless margaritas - glory days!)

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EVERYONE south of the Mason Dixon line to the Rockies. Yankees and Californicaters, not so much.

Some of the best chili I've ever had was served by street vendors in Austin who dumped it into a bag of fritos. Drool... HEY, did you ever have a burger at Dirty's? Best burgers I ever ate anywhere. Ah, to be young stupid and in graduate school again... But what does this have to do with AS5?

Smiley

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Smiley,

They seem to have introduced new bugs in the installer, the betas worked better for me. In my case I already had the Jungo drivers (v10.2) installed but the stupid as5 installer insisted that they still needed to be installed. The Jungo installer then came up with the usual dialog that any app comes up with when you re-run the same installer (repair, modify, remove etc). I had to choose something so repair it was, which did nothing except make th as5 installer happy. I checked the version of Jungo drivers after the install, and low and behold they were umm 10.2.

Simon

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Smiley you missed an important step in the install. The 1st paragraph says "Plant crop of tea, wait to mature, then pick tender leaves and dry. Boil water and make delicious cup of tea"

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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I'll be careful not to forget that ;)

Seeing if it fixes my problem when I uninstalled VS 2008 and it broke my dragon.

The largest known prime number: 282589933-1

It's easy to stop breaking the 10th commandment! Break the 8th instead. 

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Dean!

Since you are generally "in the know" about AS5, do you know if it will upgrade the firmware on STK500s. And will this make them incompatible with AS4?

EDIT: Same question, but for the Dragon?

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Okay, I'm going to admit it. I've downloaded it with the intent of maybe writing and article eventually, but, you know what - I'm afraid to use it. I've got this great little development system put together and I'm building a bunch of libraries and I'm afraid that moving to AS5 will screw the pooch for me. How is that for a loyal AVR fanboy who normally argues against FUD? I'm aFraid, Uncertain, and Doubtful. And this is coming from a guy who uses .NET and Visual Studio. Anybody want to tell me why I'm wrong and ought to embrace this? Will we be able to live indefinitely with AS4 and WinAVR or is it really a dead-end and AS% is really the future?

Basically I want to know why I should move from AS4 to AS5.

Smiley

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Since you are generally "in the know" about AS5, do you know if it will upgrade the firmware on STK500s. And will this make them incompatible with AS4?

Since leaving Atmel, I'm back to the knowledge given to the regular plebs - so no insider knowledge from me. That said, Studio 5 does contain STK500 firmware as a .ebn file and the old upgrade tool, so it *can* perform an upgrade if needed.

As to whether that upgrade is any newer than Studio 4 I'm not sure, and can't find the bleeding USB-to-Serial adapter to test. It's considered "legacy equipment" now, so personally I very much doubt a change.

I wish I could tell you about the dragon also, but I lent mine out some years back in a fit of charity to a forum member who'se since gone AWOL.

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Anybody want to tell me why I'm wrong and ought to embrace this? Will we be able to live indefinitely with AS4 and WinAVR or is it really a dead-end and AS% is really the future?

I like it, since it's more modern -- which means it does all the coding bells and whistles than AS4 lacks, and options are more discoverable. That means that while I won't code in it, I also won't want to tear my eyes out while trying to help others using it.

I've had enormous trouble debugging with it however, as it doesn't seem to like my ELF file's names, paths, or something else, so I'm actually considering reinstalling AS4 just so I can debug once again. If the path issues are fixed, it will once again make me quite happy. Be warned however, as the startup time is quite high even on my quad-core machine you'll want to keep it open in the background while you work.

The real winner of it for me is integrated AVR32 support. I know everyone here likes to poo-poo the AVR32s, but since I started learning them while at Atmel I've come to really like them, and AS5 makes it MUCH easier than Studio32 for me to quickly program and debug them.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

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OK, thanks Dean!

So we're back to getting a word on this from someone at Atmel..

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"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

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I've had enormous trouble debugging with it however, as it doesn't seem to like my ELF file's names, paths, or something else, so I'm actually considering reinstalling AS4 just so I can debug once again.

Dean,

That's surely because the reintroduction of the famous "C:\avrdev" miskatke that Eric made in the first issue of WinAVR2010110? Search "avrdev" in GCC to find the details. Then use "avr-strip -g" with "find" to strip the system .a's and .o's

I've not dared install the "final" AS5 myself because I now rely on VS2008 and VS2010 installations that I cannot risk breaking (like Smiley above!) so I don't know if the last issue of "Toolchain" has this now sorted out?

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The real winner of it for me is integrated AVR32 support. I know everyone here likes to poo-poo the AVR32s, but since I started learning them while at Atmel I've come to really like them

Have you done ARM work? I want to find someone intelligent who's used both AVR32 and ARM (say M0 or M3) and can give a reasoned comparison between the two.

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That's surely because the reintroduction of the famous "C:\avrdev" miskatke that Eric made in the first issue of WinAVR2010110? Search "avrdev" in GCC to find the details. Then use "avr-strip -g" with "find" to strip the system .a's and .o's

No, this was more of a case of VS not being able to handle the spaces in the ELF path or something, as it would give an error before it even tried to parse the ELF file. Actual debugging with the files moved to a shorter/simpler path didn't throw any opening errors.

I still had enormous trouble debugging properly with my JTAG-3 and AS5, although that may have been a result of me debugging a USB application which may have been messing up the Windows USB stack (understandable).

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Have you done ARM work? I want to find someone intelligent who's used both AVR32 and ARM (say M0 or M3) and can give a reasoned comparison between the two.

I've got a bunch of NXP boards now, but haven't had the chance to play with them. Looks like NXP's solved the one big issue I had when I last tried with Atmel's SAM7; they've got an IDE with a working toolchain all ready to go.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

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clawson wrote:
Have you done ARM work? I want to find someone intelligent who's used both AVR32 and ARM (say M0 or M3) and can give a reasoned comparison between the two.
And what do you expect?

Both are 32-bit cores, around which SoC (bus fabric and a mixture of peripherals) are built. The capabilities of cores undoubtedly very close to each other, and masked from the mortal user's view by the compiler; and the rest comes in too diverse variations to make any reasonable comparison.

In this regard, it really does not matter whether it's AVR32, ARM of whichever flavour, MIPS (a.k.a. PIC32) or SPARC. I'd even bet that embedded 386 and 68k descendants will come too close to be distinguished, too.

So the only basis for comparison left is the devtools (availability , usability, whatnot), but what justice does that give for capabilities of the core anyway.

JW

{EDIT]PS. Tried briefly the AP7000 just to find out how rough and unfinished it was (and died before got debugged properly); worked for some quite short time with Renesas SuperH-2A, and working with some CortexM3 currently, do I qualify for intelligent? ;-)

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JohanEkdahl wrote:
(...) do you know if it will upgrade the firmware on STK500s. And will this make them incompatible with AS4?

EDIT: Same question, but for the Dragon?

AVR Studio 5 uses the same firmware for STK500 as the latest AVR Studio 4 releases has used.

This is not the case for the Dragon, and AVR Studio 5 will offer you to upgrade it.

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This is not the case for the Dragon, and AVR Studio 5 will offer you to upgrade it.

And will I be able to downgrade again? If o, is this a straight-forward or complicated process?

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JohanEkdahl wrote:
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This is not the case for the Dragon, and AVR Studio 5 will offer you to upgrade it.

And will I be able to downgrade again? If o, is this a straight-forward or complicated process?

AVR Studio 4 will detect that your Dragon has new unsupported firmware and offer you to downgrade it to the version shipped with the AS4 release you are using.

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OK. Thank you.

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

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I really wish that there was an option where I could download the components of Studio 5 seperately, ie the core IDE, the software-libraries, the compiler toolchains, the examples.

I'm not on a fast, permanent or reliable internet connection and having to download another 616+ Mbytes when Studio 5.1 is released will not make me happy. :(

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I second that !!!!

mikech wrote:
I really wish that there was an option where I could download the components of Studio 5 seperately, ie the core IDE, the software-libraries, the compiler toolchains, the examples.

I'm not on a fast, permanent or reliable internet connection and having to download another 616+ Mbytes when Studio 5.1 is released will not make me happy. :(

Gary - W4GNS
Tel: BR549

In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress. -- John Adams

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I millionth that...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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But surely the single package solution is part of the whole marketing effort behind AS5? The idea is that you are lead to believe that AVR32 is the natural upgrade to AVR8 when it actually has nothing in common whatsoever.

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Atmel should Offer for Free Studio5 and Technical Data DVD.

P.Ashok Kumar

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smileymicros wrote:
EVERYONE south of the Mason Dixon line to the Rockies. Yankees and Californicaters, not so much.

Some of the best chili I've ever had was served by street vendors in Austin who dumped it into a bag of fritos. Drool... HEY, did you ever have a burger at Dirty's? Best burgers I ever ate anywhere.

Best Mexican food I ever had was in Austin, when I lived there briefly many years ago. My favourite beer is still Negra Modelo from having many business lunches while I was there. :)

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The AS5 install experience - not so great. So we now have one well fed, but unhappy camper.

Smiley

In case if it is windows vista or 7, either the UAC dialog might had pop'ed down, or the "Trust.... this..".
Please do check this out..

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soundararajan wrote:
The AS5 install experience - not so great. So we now have one well fed, but unhappy camper.

Smiley

In case if it is windows vista or 7, either the UAC dialog might had pop'ed down, or the "Trust.... this..".
Please do check this out..

Are you one of the Atmel folks responsible for AS5?

Smiley