Freaks,
Exciting day! AVRStudio 5 public beta 1 has been released! It's been somewhat of a torture not being able to talk about it before now. We've been running internal betas since I got to Atmel in December, and things have MUCH improved since then. I've been using it exclusively for a few weeks, and I do like that it integrates AVR32 and AVR8 together in a nice package, with an editor that's actually usable.
http://www.atmel.com/microsite/a...
- Dean :twisted:
This is the 3rd post!! :)
Also announced here
https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p... and https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p....
My bad - forum moderators please lock, so we can continue the discussion on the other thread John pointed out.
- Dean :twisted:
Nah. The other ones are old and worn out (sorry 1 is :) ), we need a new thread.
But oh dear God it's based om M$ technology and not Eclipse which means there's little hope of it working on Linux or Mac OSX. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot. Why in God's name didn't they take the opportunity to develop a cross platform toolchain? Weren't they listening? This was THE number one request amongst the users asked for their requirements in a new Studio.
By the way, this link avoids the cumbersome registration:
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resourc...
PS Does this now mean the formation of a Studio 5 forum here? Or is the existing one going to be renamed 4 & 5? (how many posts, I wonder, will then fail to say which Studio they are talking about? ;-))
i feel like i missed out here... Didn't know you landed a gig with Atmel! Well done Dean.
Will try out this tomorrow. May be time to ditch eclipse if it's any good.
Few questions before i try, and if the answer is no to any then i suggest you put them in the suggestions box;
Few things i love about eclipse that stopped me from usign AVR Studio; (please note some of these might be there, i just haven't used AVR studio much/at all)
1) if i hover over a variable/define etc in my code, it shows me its defenition (so i know what variable type it is etc) which is awesome
2) Auto completion / drop down list for structs and pop up for function parameters is so amazing it's not funny and would love to see that.
3) SVN integration (tortoise SVN)
4) CTRL + clicking on variable/function lands me to where it is created/defined
This is really all i can think of right now but these are things i use all the time and don't think i would be able to live without them so hope they are in there or could be put in for future revision?
But oh dear God it's based om M$ technology and not Eclipse which means there's little hope of it working on Linux or Mac OSX. Talk about shooting themselves in the foot. Why in God's name didn't they take the opportunity to develop a cross platform toolchain? Weren't they listening? This was THE number one request amongst the users asked for their requirements in a new Studio.
The Visual Studio is the best *user friendly* editor. I, too, was a bit surprised by the choice back in December, but after using it I much, much, MUCH prefer it over AVR32Studio. While I too like cross-platform, frankly I'd rather they made it awesome on the most platform instead, rather than "ok" on everything. The toolchain is cross platform, even if the frontend isn't.
1) if i hover over a variable/define etc in my code, it shows me its defenition (so i know what variable type it is etc) which is awesome
Included with Studio 5.
2) Auto completion / drop down list for structs and pop up for function parameters is so amazing it's not funny and would love to see that.
Included with Studio 5.
3) SVN integration (tortoise SVN)
Included with Studio 5 (via optional free plugin).
4) CTRL + clicking on variable/function lands me to where it is created/defined
This is really all i can think of right now but these are things i use all the time and don't think i would be able to live without them so hope they are in there or could be put in for future revision?
Included with Studio 5, but the shortcut is ALT+G.
- Dean :twisted:
So, all of us *ix and OSX users have to keep our (M$) emulators then. Nice! :(
Just had a read and checked out the videos. Looks great! Will try it at work tomorrow and most likely force everyone to jump ship to AVR Studio 5
The Visual Studio is the best *user friendly* editor. I, too, was a bit surprised by the choice back in December, but after using it I much, much, MUCH prefer it over AVR32Studio.
If they were simply looking for a good code browsing editor then my choice would have been www.sourceinsight.com or possibly Understand C++ from Scitools. (the latter available for multiple platforms).
The key thing (that stops people really using Eclipse or Code::Blocks or KontrollerLab to the full) is the fact that the debugger protocols are kept proprietary, if they'd just open that up then avarice/gdb could offer as good functionality as the tied-to-Windows products. People could then choose their own environment and/or editor solution on whatever platform they choose or are forced to use.
Looks good in a first very small test. Hope it leaves beta stadium as soon as possible.
Looks like the training videos I helped make aren't up yet - I think they're still editing out all my swearing while trying to use the Norwegian keyboard layout :P.
- Dean :twisted:
Just downloading...
This is like waiting for Christmas!
One hour and I'm up to 33% so just 2 hours to go. Hope they aren't going to be releasing updates every 3 months!! Talk about bloatware. Maybe they'd consider making a slimmed down AVR8 only variant? Like many I doubt that many people are going to have any interest in AVR32.
It looks like it's going to take me about 1 hour, I'm getting 150kB/s - 250kB/s download speed most of the time.
Hello,
i just downloaded it and now I'm trying to create my first project. But I cannot create a C++ project for UC3 devices. Is there no C++ support in this new tool.
With the Eclipse based AVR32Studio 2.x it was even possible to debug C++.
In my opinion the change to VS is a bad decision after the wonderful AVR32Studio 2.x.
Regards,
Daniel
Shit !
It looks to me like Atmel has bet on the wrong horse for me. Those Cortex-M0 chips start to look more and more interesting...
Visual Studio may well be an excellent development tool, but is is MS only. I can see that you get there for the 8bit chips, but for the 32bit AVRs, who are running Linux in part, I absolutely, definitely, never want to have a Windows-only tool !
"File -> Open object file for debugging". Nice! Opening ELF file in AVR32 Studio is pain.
Talk about bloatware.
Microsoft Word? Mirosoft Excel? Microsoft Powerpoint? Microsoft Access? Actually, come to think of it, pretty much 'anything' that Microsoft have touched!
It's a real shame, all of these products started out life pretty good :(
Is there no C++ support in this new tool.
There's no template for it yet (I've filed an enhancement request for you) but the C++ compiler is still in the toochain. In theory the debugger supports it to the best of my knowledge, it just needs the appropriate build scripts.
It looks like it's going to take me about 1 hour, I'm getting 150kB/s - 250kB/s download speed most of the time.
But I thought you were sticking to MPLABX?
Visual Studio may well be an excellent development tool, but is is MS only. I can see that you get there for the 8bit chips, but for the 32bit AVRs, who are running Linux in part, I absolutely, definitely, never want to have a Windows-only tool !
The toolchain is cross-platform, even if the IDE isn't. The debugger backend and IDE frontend are now separate too, so I suppose one could stick another IDE on top if you're unhappy with the inbuilt one.
- Dean :twisted:
I use AVRs as well as PICs (and lots of other MCUs), so I thought I'd give it a go!
I tried it on a simple Tiny2313 assembler program and it seems to work OK.
A few questions:
Just in case the beta is busted - can I have Studio 4 and Studio5 installed at the same time?
Will it download a software update to my STK500 and will this stop it working with Studio 4?
They are completely separate installations, so they will be able to co-exist without any problems. I checked and Studio 4 is still working OK.
Just in case the beta is busted - can I have Studio 4 and Studio5 installed at the same time?
Yes, you can have AVR32Studio, Studio 4 and Studio 5 all installed at the same time.
- Dean :twisted:
The toolchain is cross-platform, even if the IDE isn't. The debugger backend and IDE frontend are now separate too, so I suppose one could stick another IDE on top if you're unhappy with the inbuilt one.
Show me how I can get / install the linux-version of the toolchain !
For now it looks like non-Windows platforms are left off as all Atmel resources go into the official, MS-only platform. All others will have to use the volounteer-based parts, like the toolchain build scripts. In addition, Atmel is not doing enough to get its patches into the official gcc base, so maintaining it for AVR devices is an additional effort. Atmel is providing this effort, but, only on Windows (for the winavr embedded in Studio 5).
Anyone know what the story is if you already have Visual Studio 2010 installed?
Will Studio 5 run side-by-side without problems? Is there a way to use the existing installation of VS2010 without downloading the whole bundle from Atmel?
The STK500 is not supported in Studio 5, so no problems there.
Unbelievable. So they dropped support for what is arguably the most important of all tools used with AVR8.
So this is part of an Atmel ploy to force us to upgrade to the hugely over-priced STK600? What on earth is the incentive for anyone to bother with this thing?
I guess for those who have AVR One!'s and STK600s on their desks in Trondheim this probably looks good. But for mere mortals?
How about avrprog.exe support? (my download is now at 72% so I cannot tell yet). You aren't going to tell us that it's dropped support from contacting the equally ubiquitous Butterfly as well are you?
Quote:
The STK500 is not supported in Studio 5, so no problems there.
WHAT?!?
Who are you quoting? I don't see that quote in this thread...
mikealex: Me - but I retracted it after a quick search showed up some results in the online help, but it looks like those are in error.
Will Studio 5 run side-by-side without problems? Is there a way to use the existing installation of VS2010 without downloading the whole bundle from Atmel?
I'm running Visual Studio C#.NET, QTouch Studio and Studio 5 at the same time, so no problems there. There *may* be a final version without the integrated Visual Studio Isolated Shell installer, but I'm not sure.
WHAT?!?Unbelievable. So they dropped support for what is arguably the most important of all tools used with AVR8.
I'm not thrilled about that either - but I suppose the Dragon is the new low-cost entry point, albeit without the convenience of the sockets and top modules. You can still add in external tools for programming via a command line command you supply, but as it's not USB Studio 5 can't auto-detect it.
- Dean :twisted:
Unbelievable. So they dropped support for what is arguably the most important of all tools used with AVR8.
STK500 support is planned for the "final" AVR Studio 5 release.
- dan
Hello Dean,
in a post before you said about SVN:
Included with Studio 5 (via optional free plugin).
I tried installing AnkhSVN and restarted AVR Studio 5 but AnkhSVN is not detected. (not selectable in Tools/Options/Source_Control)
Can you please test it and provide feedback.
Thanks,
Daniel
I tried installing AnkhSVN and restarted AVR Studio 5 but AnkhSVN is not detected. (not selectable in Tools/Options/Source_Control)Can you please test it and provide feedback.
Interesting, a bunch of extensions available in the internal builds aren't in the final beta for me - although I've tested so many quirky internal builds, my installation is a bit shaky anyway. I'll test on my personal laptop back home (which hasn't seen Studio 5 at all) and report back.
- Dean :twisted:
The AnkhSVN is ready for AS5, but we have an issue with our extension manager. Working on it. The AnkhSVN for Visual Studio will not show up in AS5.
Lars K
Atmel Norway
I'm running Visual Studio C#.NET, QTouch Studio and Studio 5 at the same time, so no problems there. There *may* be a final version without the integrated Visual Studio Isolated Shell installer, but I'm not sure.
Looks like they used the "Isolated Shell" rather than the "Integrated Shell"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/...
If they'd used Integrated it would have utilised any existing installation of VS2010, but wouldn't have worked with the Express Editions, so I guess Isolated made more sense.
The downside is that people like me end up with basically two side-by-side installations of Visual Studio. Oh well, I guess disk space is cheap :)
Visual Studio may well be an excellent development tool, but is is MS only. I can see that you get there for the 8bit chips, but for the 32bit AVRs, who are running Linux in part, I absolutely, definitely, never want to have a Windows-only tool !
But the UC3 series, where Atmel is investing most of their AVR32-related attention at the moment, is mostly pushed as a bare metal platform -- either no OS, or else a small-scale RTOS.
I don't believe an MMU-less port of Linux (formerly uCLinux) has been published yet to take advantage of the UC3 series. And even if it were, I'd sincerely doubt that you'd have enough RAM to use it on any of the UC3 variants which don't have an EBI -- which excludes most of them.
i feel like i missed out here... Didn't know you landed a gig with Atmel! Well done Dean.
Will try out this tomorrow. May be time to ditch eclipse if it's any good.Few questions before i try, and if the answer is no to any then i suggest you put them in the suggestions box;
Few things i love about eclipse that stopped me from usign AVR Studio; (please note some of these might be there, i just haven't used AVR studio much/at all)
1) if i hover over a variable/define etc in my code, it shows me its defenition (so i know what variable type it is etc) which is awesome
2) Auto completion / drop down list for structs and pop up for function parameters is so amazing it's not funny and would love to see that.
3) SVN integration (tortoise SVN)
4) CTRL + clicking on variable/function lands me to where it is created/defined
This is really all i can think of right now but these are things i use all the time and don't think i would be able to live without them so hope they are in there or could be put in for future revision?
I guess all these are available with the new studio except guareented support to SVN.
abcminiuser wrote:I'm running Visual Studio C#.NET, QTouch Studio and Studio 5 at the same time, so no problems there. There *may* be a final version without the integrated Visual Studio Isolated Shell installer, but I'm not sure.
Looks like they used the "Isolated Shell" rather than the "Integrated Shell"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/...
If they'd used Integrated it would have utilised any existing installation of VS2010, but wouldn't have worked with the Express Editions, so I guess Isolated made more sense.
The downside is that people like me end up with basically two side-by-side installations of Visual Studio. Oh well, I guess disk space is cheap :)
Actually its possible to use the Visual studio 2010, and skipping Isolated shell installation. But the user will be surprised to see AVR Studio 5.0 not functioning when uninstalling Visual studio. :)
mikealex wrote:abcminiuser wrote:I'm running Visual Studio C#.NET, QTouch Studio and Studio 5 at the same time, so no problems there. There *may* be a final version without the integrated Visual Studio Isolated Shell installer, but I'm not sure.
Looks like they used the "Isolated Shell" rather than the "Integrated Shell"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/...
If they'd used Integrated it would have utilised any existing installation of VS2010, but wouldn't have worked with the Express Editions, so I guess Isolated made more sense.
The downside is that people like me end up with basically two side-by-side installations of Visual Studio. Oh well, I guess disk space is cheap :)
Actually its possible to use the Visual studio 2010, and skipping Isolated shell installation. But the user will be surprised to see AVR Studio 5.0 not functioning when uninstalling Visual studio. :)
Also the interated shell requires that you need Visual studio 2010 on the target computer, means you should buy a license from MSFT :)
NOTE IF IT DIDN'T FIND YOUR TOOLS:
It seems the installation of Avr Studio 5.0 beta activates the SONAR auto protect feature of "Norton Internet Security Online", and deletes the avrdbg/avrdbg.exe file. Then your installations "Avr programming" dialog is going to say "There are no available tools".
Fix:
1# Disable SONAR in Nortons overview screen.
2# Click the install file again, and choose repair.
3# Go into Norton SONAR and auto protect settings and chose to add a exception for the avrdbg/avrdbg.exe file.
Didn't know where else to put this.
When starting debug session the EEPROM Data is deleted and initialized even if the EESAVE Fuse is set.
AVR Studio 4 used to ask me if I wanted to delete the EEPROM Data and if I wanted to initialize the EEPROM.
Where can I change this behaviour in AVR Studio 5? I don't want to get my EEPROM deleted or initialized every time I start a debug session.
Edit: Or in short form:
Where is the "Preserve EEPROM contents when reprogramming device" setting?!
Well this is going well. The install program seems to have locked up on my machine so that it doesn't redraw its window and shows the previously viewed window contents instead...
This process is not responding.
Kill it, start again. OR be patient :) It's M$ bloatware after all :)
Well this is going well. The install program seems to have locked up on my machine so that it doesn't redraw its window and shows the previously viewed window contents instead...
Does all the other apps behave the same way (hangs)when this hanged, or the installer alone is misbehaving ?
Well this is going well. The install program seems to have locked up on my machine so that it doesn't redraw its window and shows the previously viewed window contents instead...
What is the version of IE, you are using ?
Will there be a standalone "AVR-Tools" (WinAVR) release?
JW
Hi guys, I'm having problems downloading the file from the server. For some reason it always stops on 57%. I have tried from three different computers now. All stop on the same place. 57% 302MB
Does anyone know of an alternate download location?
-Thanks
The Visual Studio is the best *user friendly* editor.
I use MS products daily, and I find Visual Studio excellent overall. If I was talking about only developing .NET code on Windows I would prefer it any day over Eclipse.
My greatest hope for AS5 was cross platform capabilities, and for that there are a few feasible options (that I know of): Eclipse, NetBeans and Code::BLocks. I do not love everything about e.g. Eclipse but it is cross-platform, it has a lot of general plugins available (example: version control systems galore), and the development and support for it will not collapse any time soon. I suppose the same goes for NetBeans, which I hear a lot of praise for from what I think is trustworthy source. I suspect that Code::Blocks is weaker in those aspects.
We are now stuck again with something that is not cross-platform, and that has a limited set of plugins.
And as the STK500 does not seem to be supported either I hereby declare my firm conviction that Atmel has shot themselves, but in out feet. Personally I find them being an excellent, sturdy platform well worth it's price. I currently own three of them.
For educational event I have pondered to place STK-500s at the hands of course participants, nothing I would never dare do with e.g a Dragon.
I suppowse this non-support in AS5 means that they are nearing EOL.
I am Disappointed by all this, to say the least.
Oh, well! Nothing lasts forever...
Johan, it's a BETA release. Show a little patience. ;)
STK500 will be suppoprted.
Lars K
Atmel Norway
Well this is going well. The install program seems to have locked up on my machine so that it doesn't redraw its window and shows the previously viewed window contents instead...
I've once solved an Isolated Shell install hang by preinstalling the .Net framework from Microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/downloa...
Hope that helps,
Dan
Johan, it's a BETA release. Show a little patience. Wink
[Off to order some Cortex-M0 xpressos]
