force studio to reindex your installed device cache?
I'll try this but know that I did an uninstall earlier and everything was gone so I downloaded it again and even though AVG did not complain at all as the "buggy" file was white listed ther is still no change. Can't select any chips or tools.
I now have the STK500 available as a programmer and programmed a chip successfully. No other tools seem to be available and I have no idea how I enabled the STK500.
Plugged in the Atmel ICE and managed to program a Xmega32E5, pretty fast! Don't want to mess around with the JTAG Mk3 as one is working with AS6.1 (if I needed it) and the other works with AVRdude, so any messing around needs to be done with the Atmel ICE for AS7. Can't afford dead tools.
However even though I can now select the ICE for debugging debug itself doesn't seem to work. The same thing happens with the simulator, the project seems to be re built but no downloading and debugging that I can see. The Stop Debug is not active which may mean that Debug was never started I guess.
I can´t even see the option window text (see image). The only thing working is the color theme drop down menu. The rest do nothing. I tried to change my screen resolution and made no difference.
Update: I Disabled in Windows Compatibility tab the "Disable visual theme" and I was able to see the check options you suggested to uncheck. After doing this, all the windows went blank. Re enabling the Windows Compatibility "Disable visual theme" did not help to get back. Now I will reinstall for the third time.
Just set up a Win7 VM (thanks to this: http://pclosmag.com/html/issues/...) and installed AS7. I notice it has GCC 4.9.2 rather than 4.8.1 - do you have separate packages for those on both Windows and Liunx somewhere?
Bingo! Although my Windows 7 has the latest display driver from Microsoft, I found a newer one directly from NVidia which solved all my Studio buggy display. I´m wondering why only Atmel Studio shows this problems with that original driver and not any other software. Anyway, thank you for your right suspicions.
Hmh, Atmel Studio is primarily using WPF as the gui toolkit which does try to use hardware acceleration for as much as possible. However it is also very good at detecting that the graphics card misbehaves and falls back into software rendering.
However white boxes in GUI elements usually points at something very wrong somewhere down the GUI stack, so a 'fresh' install of whatever driver usually slots things back into place. However I have never seen it that bad, as most of the issues that we have on bad graphics drivers are that hardware rendering is never active which causes excessive CPU load.
See new things every day...
:: Morten
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Sadly it does mean I won't be able to answer support questions - but I guess there are many other users of AS6/AS7 who can.
I do have this "free" Win7 VM I could use. If the trick that Microsoft suggest about repeatedly reverting to a snapshot works then I guess I maybe do have a place I could run AS7. I'm sure as heck not going to actually pay for one of Microsoft's eye-candy versions of Windows though. It's bad enough that I have no choice but to use Win7 on a day-to-day basis already.
I installed on my Windows 8.1, 4 GB of Ram Intel Celeron Processor @2.16GHz. I purchased it new at 200$ USD so I can run Visual Studio. During the install by AVG Virus Protection warned about a file called atbackend.exe
Nevertheless, I was able to continue with the install and run AS7.0. Its slow to start on my PC, but its on a 200$ PC . But even on my work PC which has more memory and has a faster processor Visual Studio always loads slow.
I was able to open an Arduino Sketch. It copies over the Arduino libraries, but not any external libraries (e.g. libraries in your sketch folder). So I added them manually and was able to compile. . Now on to loading some code onto some chips...
If you look at the previous page that's the problem I had with AVG. Morten has been in touch with AVG already.
It only takes about 5 seconds now on my new computer with a SSD, much better than AS6 on my laptop which takes one or 2 minutes to start.
However I only installed the 8 bit AVR tools and NO ASF, so if you don't need the ASF, 32bit or ARM tools they can be uninstalled for a faster start up. Or even maybe just install the AVR tools only if that's all you will be using.
I moved from XP to Win 7 reluctantly - and I like Win 7. Stable. Better than XP.
For, me it's not about stability. I use both WinXP and Win7 on a day to day basis and can't say I've found one to be particularly more "stable" than the other. In fact for me I generally find all versions of Windows to be stable. I avoid the kind of things that lead to other people seeing blue screens of death - a lot of the bad press levelled against Microsoft/Windows is unjustified and is actually faults in 3rd party driver code. The reason I prefer Xp to Win7 is that I know where everything is and how to achieve it. For reasons best known to themselves all these OS suppliers see fit to completely re-jig and re-position everything on each subsequent version which seems, really, to be about the only reason for subsequent versions to even exist. The fact is that XP was a very good, very stable OS.
Having said that I was a late move to XP in the first place - I continued to use NT 4.0 long after XP first appeared. So I was a luddite there too. But for me XP then represents the best Windows version ever - beyond that everything looks like pointless eye candy. (oh and Vista was a complete joke).
However I only installed the 8 bit AVR tools and NO ASF, so if you don't need the ASF, 32bit or ARM tools they can be uninstalled for a faster start up. Or even maybe just install the AVR tools only if that's all you will be using.
Sorry to bring that up again and that it may not be related to AS7 directly, but I still have issues with my Dragon or AVRISPmkII being seen as busy after a programming session. Usually a unplug-replug does the trick, but sometimes no.
To be sure I redownloaded the Atmel USB Driver Installer 7.0.712 from the website this morning, and repaired my Jungo install but to no avail. I'm using Win8.1, with bitdefender as antivirus, AS6.2.1563 with service pack 2.
I didn't have this issue with AS6.1.
So is the tool team aware of this (I know I'm not the only one in this case) ?
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HI
I did not see a response to when Windows 10 will be supported, given its pending release at the end of July and that Atmel Studio 6.2 is quite happy on it ? (So far)
Any progress on the lack of any kind of debug yet?
John, I can import a project from AS6.2 to AS7.0. Then build and Simulate. Or build and use debugWIRE with an ATMEL-ICE. (which demands to be upgraded). This is on a Win7-64 desktop PC.
I can not import an Arduino project from Arduino1.7.2 but I may be doing something wrong. There is no description of the procedure anywhere (that I have found).
I can not test CodeVision on AS7.0 because it is not supported (yet).
I can not install AS7.0 on my Vista-32 laptop PC because the laptop has died (and AS7.0 does not run on Vista)
I could try a Dragon and a JTAGICE-mkII with AS7.0 but I guess that Morten has tested all the Atmel debuggers. Somehow, I guess that you have installed something wrong. I just used the WEB installer for AVR8. I did not install ARM or ASF.
I'll try this but know that I did an uninstall earlier and everything was gone so I downloaded it again and even though AVG did not complain at all as the "buggy" file was white listed ther is still no change. Can't select any chips or tools.
I'll try the re index now.
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
www.ampertronics.com.au
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Tried re indexing but still no parts available. The pack name window was empty but now it looks like this
John Samperi
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Now we are getting somewhere, able to import project and compile it.
John Samperi
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No debug tools available, only the simulator but it doesn't work.
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
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By the way the check for updates is not behaving properly, it shows updates but it's the same version already installed.
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
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I now have the STK500 available as a programmer and programmed a chip successfully. No other tools seem to be available and I have no idea how I enabled the STK500.
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
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Hmmm, JTAGICE3 working here. It did need firmware upgrade though.
David
The device list is per pack, so click one of them and the list will get populated.
:: Morten
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Yes, I think we have seen that one :)
:: Morten
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How does your View|Available Tools look like?
:: Morten
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Pretty bare. Do the tools need to be plugged in before they get detected?
John Samperi
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That's always been the case in AS6. I doubt they changed it in AS7.
It uses USB IDs to know "what's there". The one thing it cannot do this for is an STK500+COM adapter and that's why you have to add those manually.
I have reported this unfortunate loop (AVRSV-6675).
:: Morten
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Plugged in the Atmel ICE and managed to program a Xmega32E5, pretty fast! Don't want to mess around with the JTAG Mk3 as one is working with AS6.1 (if I needed it) and the other works with AVRdude, so any messing around needs to be done with the Atmel ICE for AS7. Can't afford dead tools.
However even though I can now select the ICE for debugging debug itself doesn't seem to work. The same thing happens with the simulator, the project seems to be re built but no downloading and debugging that I can see. The Stop Debug is not active which may mean that Debug was never started I guess.
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
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Do you choose 'Start debugging and break'?
:: Morten
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Yes but no cigar, Simulator or ICE.
John Samperi
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This is what I get after 'Start debugging and break', I have tried it several times.
John Samperi
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Then I'm very intrigued to see your debug log.
See http://atmel.force.com/support/articles/en_US/FAQ/Obtaining-Debug-Agent-log-from-Atmel-Studio for a howto on how to enable it, then recreate the issue and PM me the log and I'll have a look at what is happening.
:: Morten
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Meolsen,
I can´t even see the option window text (see image). The only thing working is the color theme drop down menu. The rest do nothing. I tried to change my screen resolution and made no difference.
Attachment(s):
Good Soldering JRGandara
Update: I Disabled in Windows Compatibility tab the "Disable visual theme" and I was able to see the check options you suggested to uncheck. After doing this, all the windows went blank. Re enabling the Windows Compatibility "Disable visual theme" did not help to get back. Now I will reinstall for the third time.
Good Soldering JRGandara
Sounds like you have some real graphics issues... Tried upgrading your graphics driver?
:: Morten
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Morten,
Just set up a Win7 VM (thanks to this: http://pclosmag.com/html/issues/...) and installed AS7. I notice it has GCC 4.9.2 rather than 4.8.1 - do you have separate packages for those on both Windows and Liunx somewhere?
Cliff
They should be available on the distribute site. I'll ping the toolchain team and see if they have gotten around to that yet...
:: Morten
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Uploaded here: http://distribute.atmel.no/tools/opensource/Atmel-AVR-GNU-Toolchain/3.5.0-beta/
:: Morten
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Bingo! Although my Windows 7 has the latest display driver from Microsoft, I found a newer one directly from NVidia which solved all my Studio buggy display. I´m wondering why only Atmel Studio shows this problems with that original driver and not any other software. Anyway, thank you for your right suspicions.
Good Soldering JRGandara
Hmh, Atmel Studio is primarily using WPF as the gui toolkit which does try to use hardware acceleration for as much as possible. However it is also very good at detecting that the graphics card misbehaves and falls back into software rendering.
However white boxes in GUI elements usually points at something very wrong somewhere down the GUI stack, so a 'fresh' install of whatever driver usually slots things back into place. However I have never seen it that bad, as most of the issues that we have on bad graphics drivers are that hardware rendering is never active which causes excessive CPU load.
See new things every day...
:: Morten
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You sir are a gentleman and a scholar. I think I'll just switch to Linux completely for AVR.
awww
:: Morten
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Sadly it does mean I won't be able to answer support questions - but I guess there are many other users of AS6/AS7 who can.
I do have this "free" Win7 VM I could use. If the trick that Microsoft suggest about repeatedly reverting to a snapshot works then I guess I maybe do have a place I could run AS7. I'm sure as heck not going to actually pay for one of Microsoft's eye-candy versions of Windows though. It's bad enough that I have no choice but to use Win7 on a day-to-day basis already.
Can anyone copy and paste from the output window? It seem to copy just 1 line. I tried Notepad, Worpad and Notepad++
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
Never mind. brain freeze!
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
I installed on my Windows 8.1, 4 GB of Ram Intel Celeron Processor @2.16GHz. I purchased it new at 200$ USD so I can run Visual Studio. During the install by AVG Virus Protection warned about a file called atbackend.exe
Nevertheless, I was able to continue with the install and run AS7.0. Its slow to start on my PC, but its on a 200$ PC
. But even on my work PC which has more memory and has a faster processor Visual Studio always loads slow.
I was able to open an Arduino Sketch. It copies over the Arduino libraries, but not any external libraries (e.g. libraries in your sketch folder). So I added them manually and was able to compile.
. Now on to loading some code onto some chips...
"When all else fails, read the directions"
If you look at the previous page that's the problem I had with AVG. Morten has been in touch with AVG already.
It only takes about 5 seconds now on my new computer with a SSD, much better than AS6 on my laptop which takes one or 2 minutes to start.
However I only installed the 8 bit AVR tools and NO ASF, so if you don't need the ASF, 32bit or ARM tools they can be uninstalled for a faster start up. Or even maybe just install the AVR tools only if that's all you will be using.
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
I want the ladybug back. Does this mean AS7 is "bug" free?
Greg Muth
Portland, OR, US
Xplained/Pro/Mini Boards mostly
Make Xmega Great Again!
Win 8, 8.1 and 10, I've tried them and they need to go where the dog buries its bones.
Hehe, no not in either of the meanings
:: Morten
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So, morning summary of the issues I have seen so far:
If your issue is not on this list, you need to ping me again :)
:: Morten
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Yeah, I've used Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) on WIn 7 for years. I don't use any other anti-virus.
Who more than Microsoft has a vested interest in preventing malware/viruses?
Works for me.
For, me it's not about stability. I use both WinXP and Win7 on a day to day basis and can't say I've found one to be particularly more "stable" than the other. In fact for me I generally find all versions of Windows to be stable. I avoid the kind of things that lead to other people seeing blue screens of death - a lot of the bad press levelled against Microsoft/Windows is unjustified and is actually faults in 3rd party driver code. The reason I prefer Xp to Win7 is that I know where everything is and how to achieve it. For reasons best known to themselves all these OS suppliers see fit to completely re-jig and re-position everything on each subsequent version which seems, really, to be about the only reason for subsequent versions to even exist. The fact is that XP was a very good, very stable OS.
Having said that I was a late move to XP in the first place - I continued to use NT 4.0 long after XP first appeared. So I was a luddite there too. But for me XP then represents the best Windows version ever - beyond that everything looks like pointless eye candy. (oh and Vista was a complete joke).
Good tips - I'll give it a try. Thx
"When all else fails, read the directions"
Hi Morten,
Sorry to bring that up again and that it may not be related to AS7 directly, but I still have issues with my Dragon or AVRISPmkII being seen as busy after a programming session. Usually a unplug-replug does the trick, but sometimes no.
To be sure I redownloaded the Atmel USB Driver Installer 7.0.712 from the website this morning, and repaired my Jungo install but to no avail. I'm using Win8.1, with bitdefender as antivirus, AS6.2.1563 with service pack 2.
I didn't have this issue with AS6.1.
So is the tool team aware of this (I know I'm not the only one in this case) ?
Have a nice day,
Kraal
You're seeing the same in 7.0?
:: Morten
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Id like to report a hijacking!
"When all else fails, read the directions"
HI
I did not see a response to when Windows 10 will be supported, given its pending release at the end of July and that Atmel Studio 6.2 is quite happy on it ? (So far)
removed wrong bug report
got confused with the directory structure of AS7
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
I was able to program via my AVR Dragon. When I started the process, it asked me to update the firmware.
Clicked upgrade and everything went smooth. I was able to connected to the dragon and program the AVR via ISP. Nice
"When all else fails, read the directions"
That's because I actually don't have an answer yet... We are still thinking and talking to Microsoft about their intention on it...
:: Morten
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Any progress on the lack of any kind of debug yet?
John Samperi
Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.
www.ampertronics.com.au
* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly
It has been assigned, but no real progress yet.
Check for updates is fixed though...
:: Morten
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John, I can import a project from AS6.2 to AS7.0. Then build and Simulate. Or build and use debugWIRE with an ATMEL-ICE. (which demands to be upgraded). This is on a Win7-64 desktop PC.
I can not import an Arduino project from Arduino1.7.2 but I may be doing something wrong. There is no description of the procedure anywhere (that I have found).
I can not test CodeVision on AS7.0 because it is not supported (yet).
I can not install AS7.0 on my Vista-32 laptop PC because the laptop has died (and AS7.0 does not run on Vista)
I could try a Dragon and a JTAGICE-mkII with AS7.0 but I guess that Morten has tested all the Atmel debuggers. Somehow, I guess that you have installed something wrong. I just used the WEB installer for AVR8. I did not install ARM or ASF.
David.
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