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So, the long waited message arrives, Atmel Studio 7.0 Beta is ready!

 

Downloads available from here.

 

The most striking change should be the fact that we finally have decoupled the architectures in Atmel Studio, allowing installation of the architecture YOU want. Note that this work is still ongoing, so all toolchains are still being installed, but device support is not installed based on the choice. 

 

We also have a web-installer available to minimize downloads.

 

Another big change from previous versions is that device support is now done using the CMSIS-Pack concept, which allows us to do device updates much more fluently than before. This ties into the recent changes in avr-gcc and avr-libc, removing device-knowledge from the toolchain which again allows us to provide device support without having to roll out new toolchain distributions. 

 

The shell has been updated to Visual Studio Isolated Shell 2013 (not 2012, Cliff) giving a cleaner look and feel (and hopefully increasing the overall performance). 2013 also brings with it a couple of themes, where dark theme is the major improvement in my eyes. There are still dialogs and windows that we haven't styled completely, but most views have at least some knowledge about the theme. This does mean that Atmel Studio 7.0 does not support Windows XP.

 

We also support importing Arduino sketches now (one-way import) which should ease the transition from the Arduino environment into Atmel Studio for those wanting debug functionality etc.

 

And the final passage in the release notes is that we finally have built-in support for the Atmel DFU bootloaders (Flip bootloaders), allowing for a more seamless usage of these. 

 

On the boring side, we have re-wamped the documentation system. Now, no documentation is shipped with Atmel Studio, but downloadable through the Help Viewer. This makes it possible for us to push updates on documentation without having to relate to any Atmel Studio release schedule. We are also experimenting with datasheets in the documentation system (currently the SAM L21). There are some issues with things not appearing at the correct levels, which we are working on.

 

As usual, the notice of flying monkeys and BSODs apply, so don't install it on your finest production environment. 

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

Last Edited: Wed. Nov 2, 2016 - 07:08 PM
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 giving a cleaner look and feel 

Microsoft speak for "we've moved everything round for no apparent reason except to irritate users who thought they knew where everything was - but we have to change SOMETHING to justify charging you again for something you already bought".

 re-wamped the documentation system

Yup it needed re-WAMPing !!

 

I guess the key question is about USB drivers in fact. About the only thing wrong wit AS6 were continuing issues with USB - more than anything, has that been improved?

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7.0 includes all the fixed done to the USB drivers. Been quiet on support for many months now from driver issues, so I do hope/think/believe that they should be good. (except for some German Windows 7 versions...)

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

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That's not the story the endless threads here about problems would seem to paint.

 

No one cares about the eye candy if the fundamental link to a programmer/debugger is unreliable.

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True, but this release now includes the additional fixes that was done after 6.2 SP2 (which had to be downloaded separately). 

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

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:: Morten

 

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Last Edited: Fri. Jun 19, 2015 - 09:06 AM
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This does mean that Atmel Studio 7.0 does not support Windows XP.

 

Hmmm, I am sure that will impress everyone... NOT!

 

So have the corrections been added to Studio 6.x so that those who prefer to work with a reliable Windows operating system, aka XP, do not feel abandoned or forced to adopt the latest load of M$ sh!te?

 

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Well, XP users should feel abandoned after Microsoft withdrew updates from it more than a year ago...

 

Also, no we are not backporting into 6.

:: Morten

 

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Yes but... at least XP sp3 works and is stable. Real users don't need the "fluff" of subsequent versions.

 

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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How about NT4 support?

 

Seriously, Windows 7 is stable and been around for nearly 6 years.  Time to move on....

 

David

 

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I just installed it and nice to see that opening a project saves the old 6.2 format as well as a new format.

 

David

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This does mean that Atmel Studio 7.0 does not support Windows XP.

Shit. (am I allowed to say shit?). So that means no more Atmel Studio for me. I guess I'll switch to Linux completely for avr-gcc things. Bummer.

 

Nothing is going to make me move from XP to one of the more inferior versions of Windows.

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David,

 

I already have W7 on my main machine, but XP on my two lab machines and laptop. Many of my clients have not moved from XP because they see no advantage in doing so. Whilst I have no definitive data to support the claim, I "suspect" that there are more XP machines in use than other versions.

 

Ross

 

EDIT: I haven't found anything more recent. http://www.dailytech.com/Report+...

 

EDIT2: I am confident that embedded development shops do not chase the latest operating systems as enthusiastically as the "civilians". A poll here would be interesting.

 

 

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

Last Edited: Fri. Jun 19, 2015 - 12:50 PM
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Many of my clients have not moved from XP because they see no advantage in doing so.

AFAIK that describes about 20% of all Windows users doesn't it?

 

EDIT: well OK, not quite 20%...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi...

Last Edited: Fri. Jun 19, 2015 - 12:56 PM
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Hey! What happened to my second edit of post#13 where I said something like...

 

- embedded development shops are less likely to change operating system in pursuit of "fluff"

- and, it would be interesting to run a poll here on which windows systems developers are using.

 

Maybe we now have the duplicate problem replaced by the lost post problem devil

 

Ross

 

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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There are high street banks paying Microsoft millions per year to support XP and it was a great OS in its day.  The 68000 was a great microprocessor in its day. 

 

I realise people have their reasons for sticking with something they like but Atmel have chosen to base Studio on Visual Studio which is only supported on current OSs.

 

My Landy is easy to service and keep running but I wouldn't use it as an everyday long commute.

 

David

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Hey! What happened to my second edit of post#13 where I said something like...

Known XP related issue  devil

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laugh yeah but I am typing on my W7 box... wouldn't happen on my XP one.

 

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Damn!

 

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meolsen wrote:
Well, XP users should feel abandoned after Microsoft withdrew updates from it more than a year ago...

No, they didn't.

 

They relented on that, and kept the updates going to April (?) this year.

 

And at least one of my old XP machines seems to still keep getting "updates" ...

Top Tips:

  1. How to properly post source code - see: https://www.avrfreaks.net/comment... - also how to properly include images/pictures
  2. "Garbage" characters on a serial terminal are (almost?) invariably due to wrong baud rate - see: https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/serial-communication
  3. Wrong baud rate is usually due to not running at the speed you thought; check by blinking a LED to see if you get the speed you expected
  4. Difference between a crystal, and a crystal oscillatorhttps://www.avrfreaks.net/comment...
  5. When your question is resolved, mark the solution: https://www.avrfreaks.net/comment...
  6. Beginner's "Getting Started" tips: https://www.avrfreaks.net/comment...
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Anyhow, back to an on-topic question:

 

Can this beta be installed on the same machine as 6.2 without either interfering with the other?

 

Top Tips:

  1. How to properly post source code - see: https://www.avrfreaks.net/comment... - also how to properly include images/pictures
  2. "Garbage" characters on a serial terminal are (almost?) invariably due to wrong baud rate - see: https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/serial-communication
  3. Wrong baud rate is usually due to not running at the speed you thought; check by blinking a LED to see if you get the speed you expected
  4. Difference between a crystal, and a crystal oscillatorhttps://www.avrfreaks.net/comment...
  5. When your question is resolved, mark the solution: https://www.avrfreaks.net/comment...
  6. Beginner's "Getting Started" tips: https://www.avrfreaks.net/comment...
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Well that is what I have done and they appear to work without interfering.

 

David

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AS7 just to impress me WOW! I MAY try it for "fun" but I need to have my blood pressure tablets handy.

 

Let's see the size of the beast. At about 1Mbits or less Internet speed it's not fun doing anything.
 

John Samperi

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allowing installation of the architecture YOU want

Not impressed! 580Mbytes. So how do I DOWNLOAD and install the AVR ONLY (8 bits and Xmegas) portion of Studio? Or hasn't the message sunk in about the size of the DOWNLOAD?

John Samperi

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You don't choose the full installer, but the web installer...

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

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Anyhow, back to an on-topic question:

 

Can this beta be installed on the same machine as 6.2 without either interfering with the other?

 

Yes, that should work.

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

Last Edited: Fri. Jun 19, 2015 - 09:41 PM
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You don't choose the full installer, but the web installer...

Maybe there should be something  to tell people that they can choose what they want with the web installer?

Web Installer

The Atmel studio 7.0 web installer package downloads and installs the components required to run on the target machine architecture and OS. An Internet connection is required during the installation.

 

So far 68M of the 188M isolated shell has been downloaded. Of course if the part install package could be downloaded separately like the full install I could get someone with a fast Internet to download it, put it on a USB stick and it would be done. Faster for me to drive so someone else's place. You need to think about us poor users in 4th world countries.

 

 

John Samperi

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www.ampertronics.com.au

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W10

 

So no test today surprise

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45+ "few minutes" later...

 

John Samperi

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And an hour later "it's good night from me and goodnight from him"! "Threat" removed and an hour of my life wasted angry don't want to spend another hour reinstalling it again.

 

 

 

John Samperi

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I feel your pain John.

 

Obviously it is a false detection because others have successfully downloaded it (not me though or I would "let" you drive to collect a copy cheeky).

 

Cheers,

 

Ross

 

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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Found the "Repair" option on the control panel, all files seem to be there but now I get this after it "finished"

 

John Samperi

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Tried again with same results, the file must have been deleted by AVG, it's not there. If there is a way of installing it again WITHOUT the 1 hour download please let me know otherwise I'll clean up the install stuff.

 

John Samperi

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Got AVG to restore the file from the virus vault and ran the repair again, this time it worked. However after I started Studio the same virus screen popped up, under severe protests AVG added the file to the exceptions. Now it seems to work but I need to go and destroy something to relax, I'll do some gardening.

 

John Samperi

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Really?

 

However

 

 

Not ready for me I think.

John Samperi

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Last Edited: Sat. Jun 20, 2015 - 12:13 AM
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And of course

 

 

you are stuck there forever and need to kill Studio with the task manager.

John Samperi

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Sounds like AVG killed most of the installation. Try to disable it while doing a repair?

 

[Just submitted a whitelist request to AVG]

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

Last Edited: Sat. Jun 20, 2015 - 10:56 AM
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I just love that on-line documentation only! Several times a year, I have to work (well, I do work) where there is no internet access. Sometimes, this is several days at a time, occasionally even longer. Please tell me that the documentation is downloadable for off-line access!

 

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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Of course it is. Help/Manage and download everything you need.

The reason for the online part is so that we can push out updates, which we weren't able to previously.

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

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I hope someone has spotted this and added to the 'feature' list.  I always love it when software can't detect newer browsers or OS.

 

David

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We don't support win 10 as of now due to some shell issues.

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

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So just to be clear: Should one be able to start  a new C or ASM project with this version? Should one be able to import an AS4 project? Can't do either.

 

I have repaired Studio with AVG off but nothing changed, still can't select any chips and it gets stuck in an endless loop of selecting a chip (which can't be done) and the programs need to be killed by task manager.

 

I have checked the directory where the .inc files are and everything seems to be there.

 

If it helps I'm using Win7 Ultimate 64 bits, 3.6GHz i7-4790K quad core with 8G ram.

John Samperi

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 I prefer using MS Visual Studio 2013 Community (free), with Visual Micro (free, w/optional low cost s/w debugger).

Or VisualGDB, not free but low cost/excellent.

 

 

Last Edited: Sun. Jun 21, 2015 - 03:06 AM
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I would prefer something other than being bogged further into the M$ quagmire!  I was hoping that just maybe AS7 would have been multi platform like MPLABX and others.

 

I could have a M$ free computer for work. On this new computer I only have Windows and nothing else M$, still have MSworks until I can port spreadsheets and database to Open Office, then that's it.

John Samperi

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Installed Studio 7 on windows 7 with "Microsoft Security" and Spyhunter 4. No problem.

open --> ok ( slow)

try to open a project from studio 6 --> of course not find "Codevision" and not open project ???

Try to open a cof file.

no simualtor ? 

 

well first test --> no use studio7! 

Thierry

Thierry Pottier

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stevech wrote:

 I prefer using MS Visual Studio 2013 Community (free), with Visual Micro (free, w/optional low cost s/w debugger).

Or VisualGDB, not free but low cost/excellent

 

And that includes AVR simulator and Dragon/Atmel-ICE debugger does it?

 

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Will it be supported by July 29th?

 

Side note to anyone wanting free Win 10 http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/20/8818383/microsoft-windows-10-free-for-testers - possibly free but then again might not be

 

David

 

EDIT: might not be free after all.

Last Edited: Sun. Jun 21, 2015 - 03:20 PM
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I´m having a kind of video problem with AS7. All buttons in pop up windows are blank. Looks like a video driver problem. Also, when typing a command or existing variable, the pop up box with the auto complete option came blank either. Anyone having the same problem? The dark theme alone worth this new version for me. Much more comfortable work for hours.

Good Soldering JRGandara

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@Js, since it looks like all your devices aren't installed, could you try going to Tools|Pack Manager|Manage|Advanced|Reset Cache to force studio to reindex your installed device cache?

:: Morten

 

(yes, I work for Atmel, yes, I do this in my spare time, now stop sending PMs)

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You might try to fall back to software rendering then.

 

Go to Tools|Options|Environment|General and untick the 'Automatically adjust visual experience...' box and then untick both 'Enable rich client...' and 'Use hardware graphics acceleration...'.

:: Morten

 

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Heh, maybe. We're sort of waiting on what Microsoft will do on this, since they are basically blocking themselves...

:: Morten

 

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