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Posted by abcminiuser: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 08:25 AM
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Hi Freaks,

Today Atmel releases the next in the lineup of our IDE platforms; Atmel Studio 6! No, I'm not kidding.

Atmel Studio 6 is the next progression in the AVRStudio 5.1 lineup, and is so named due to a new key feature; ARM device support. The AVR and ARM development teams have been collaborating to make a single development IDE which will support (at present) the AVR8, XMEGA, UC3, SAM3 and SAM4 series devices. Existing SAM-ICE debuggers and SAM evaluation kits are supported natively, and behave just as the existing AVR tools do.

Also new in this beta release is a ARM-GCC toolchain, for native C/C++ development of ARM devices. The existing AVR Software Framework has been renamed Atmel Software Framework, and now includes preliminary SAM device support.

A new "ASF Explorer" view in AS6 gives quick access to the API header, module documentation and dependencies of ASF modules included in an ASF application.

Read More Here: http://www.atmel.com/microsite/a...

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 09:07 AM
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Good news :-)

(but please don't let this turn into Firefox - I don't want to be downloading V7 next Thursday!)

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Posted by condemned: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 09:43 AM
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Oh well. Fingers crossed that Studio 7 works on linux.

Serious question: is there a way to run this on an ubuntu box?

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 10:01 AM
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I've been running the 5.x versions in a VirtualBox virtual machine running Windows XP SP3(*) and it seems to work nicely - I doubt V6 will be any different.

(*) you will still have to pay to licence a copy of XP SP3 (or whatever flavour of Windows you choose).

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Posted by abcminiuser: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 10:09 AM
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Yes, essentially AS6 is just AS5.1 with a name change, and a bunch of ARM stuff added. That means that it should be as stable as 5.1 is for AVR devices, and the beta stuff is mainly the new ARM parts. You should be able to switch to AS6-Beta with no trouble if you use 5.1 now and are using AVR features only.

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Posted by asf-test: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 10:36 AM
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Good to see Atmel working hard to break the 1 GB download barrier.

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 10:50 AM
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You should be able to switch to AS6-Beta with no trouble if you use 5.1 now and are using AVR features only.

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essentially AS6 is just AS5.1 with a name change, and a bunch of ARM stuff added

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Posted by abcminiuser: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 10:59 AM
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essentially AS6 is just AS5.1 with a name change, and a bunch of ARM stuff added

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ASF Explorer, if you use ASF, plus bug-fixes.

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 11:09 AM
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plus bug-fixes

Listed in any release notes?

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here. 

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

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Posted by OKB: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 11:20 AM
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There have been a lot of work on the qtouch part as well.

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Posted by rev: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 12:05 PM
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Downloaded AS6 and now i have as4.19 which is what i use at the moment, and AS5.1 and AS6.0. So i guess it would be best to delete AS5.1. Would that be a correct statment ?

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Posted by abcminiuser: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 12:11 PM
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Not required, but recommended - uninstall AS5.x first to ensure that everything on your system is properly upgraded. I'm using 5.0, 5.1 and 6.0 for support reasons, with no issues so far on the latest build.

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Posted by rev: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 12:16 PM
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Thanks Dean. Will do. so does this mean we will have an AS6 forum now :)

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Posted by rev: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 12:28 PM
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Does the help/update work yet ?

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Posted by EW: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 01:09 PM
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rev wrote:
Thanks Dean. Will do. so does this mean we will have an AS6 forum now :)

Not sure on that one; ARM questions are better handled by our sister website, www.at91.com.

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 02:02 PM
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EW wrote:
rev wrote:
Thanks Dean. Will do. so does this mean we will have an AS6 forum now :)

Not sure on that one; ARM questions are better handled by our sister website, www.at91.com.


What about AVR questions re AVR Studio 6?

I.e. should this forum be renamed AVR Studio 5 and 6 forum?

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here. 

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 02:17 PM
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should this forum be renamed AVR Studio 5 and 6 forum?

I sort of assumed the comment above was going to trigger that anyway ;-)

Just as we've seen a few UC3 question in this forum I wonder if we'll now start to see ARM ones too?

Does the program direct user's support questions to the "right place" I wonder? (it'd want to be fairly prominent, early on in the Help),

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Posted by Torby: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 02:47 PM
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Hmm. I just got brave and tried 5.1.

Might as well upgrade again, eh?

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 02:57 PM
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Depends on if you care about the implications of "beta" or not.

I sort-of tried to get more detail above about what 6.0 beta brings to the AVR world. To me "plus bug-fixes" minus "beta" does not compute unless I can get details on "bug fixes". I tried my usual fishing-hook term ("release notes") but no fish from Trondheim bites.

I'm staying off for the time being, and unless someone reveals what "bug-fixes" are done I would think most others would also.

While I have seen some arguments that might be reasonable re why no known-bugs-list can be published, it should be doable to produce a list-of-bugs-fixed. For the latter there can be no secrets, and it should be accessible w/o having to do the full download.

A 0.5 GB download marked "beta" where I do not know what I get (, and when I downloaded 5.1 (stable) just the other day and am still trying out that one). No thanks.

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here. 

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 03:03 PM
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Depends on if you care about the implications of "beta" or not.

At this stage surely any version increment is going to be better than the last one whether it has the notional word "beta" on it or not?

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 03:30 PM
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At this stage surely any version increment is going to be better than the last one whether it has the notional word "beta" on it or not?

No, I don't see it that way. For AVR users it has bee stated that Atmel Studio 6 is the same as AVR Studio 5.1 plus some ASF stuff and "plus bug-fixes", but is has a beta tag whose effets might well spill over to the AVR part even if the things that actually are beta are ARM things. What if a fix for some ARM usability in the IDE has effects on the AVR side of it?

Let's say someone offers you a new Porsche in exachange for the green one you have. You ask what you wil get. Porsche answers "Oh, most changes to this years model is for the line that hauls trailers, and then we made some facelifting to the 911 - and by the way the trailer-haulers is still on the test-track.". You realize that the trailer-haulers and 911 share parts of the chassis and tranny. Do you just go "yes, thank you - I'll take that free upgrade"?

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here. 

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Posted by Torby: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 06:06 PM
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It is a really big download. Got it.

Nice that one environment supports the 32 bit ones now. Maybe that's not new.

Hmm. My 414 byte program grew to 416 when I moved it to Studio 5 and C++, and to 418 when I moved it to Studio 6. Interesting.

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Posted by MannImMond: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 07:01 PM
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Torby wrote:

Hmm. My 414 byte program grew to 416 when I moved it to Studio 5 and C++, and to 418 when I moved it to Studio 6. Interesting.

Do you plan to check on the difference? Would be interesting to know.

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Posted by js: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 09:27 PM
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Ok now so there is now NO doubt that I will NEVER donwload a new IDE, will stick for as long as I can with AS4 and then "Que sera,sera".

Unless of course there are checkboxes to EXCLUDE download and install of:

* ASF
* ARM
* 32bit
* Qtouch
* NOT related to AVR8 or Xmega.

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Posted by Torby: Tue. Feb 28, 2012 - 09:31 PM
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Perhaps he doesn't trust Norwegians?

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There's a group of fans for MS Visual Studio with Microsoft .net Micro (MF). The netDuino boards as you know use an Atmel ARM7 (not Cortex yet?).

This is applicable if you want C# and .net. It's a big gulp of library code to say the least, and the p-code interpreter for JIT compilation, as I understand.

They now have a Visual Basic .net version - and I think it compiles to machine code, not P code.

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Posted by EW: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 04:56 AM
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Ok, I renamed the forum, per suggestions above.

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Posted by rev: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 08:38 AM
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Imported aa AS4 xmega project using a jtag mk2 for debugging in AS6 and all worked perfectly. Previously when i did this in AS5 all i got was grief so i gave up. So looks like atmel are making progress.

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Posted by MannImMond: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 08:43 AM
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@rev Yeah I guess everyone was excited about the import dialogue tried it in 5 Beta had issues and never used it again. Actually I didn't use it with Studio 6 yet but since you mentioned that it works I might give it a try.

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Posted by avra: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 10:15 AM
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Can someone please save me from downloading and check if AS6 has a feature to change editor background to some dark color (like dark blue) and editor font color to some light color (like white or yellow). I'll stick to AS4 if that issue is not solved yet.

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I guess this release finally explains the (before-mysterious) reasons for which Atmel changed the solution file extension from .avrsln to .atsln in AVR Studio 5.1.
I could never see the logic behind it, but it doesn't matter anymore :). And I didn't have to think about it for too long since AVR Studio 5.1 (stable release) has been out there for only a couple of weeks :P
If they keep the pace, we might as well get AT Studio 8 by the end of 2012... for Windows, Linux, iOS and PS Vita ;)

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Posted by OKB: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 10:47 AM
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avra wrote:
...if AS6 has a feature to change editor background to some dark color

It's there. I believe it has been from 5.0 actually

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OKB wrote:
avra wrote:
...if AS6 has a feature to change editor background to some dark color
It's there. I believe it has been from 5.0 actually
Thanks a lot! I am quite sure it didn't exist in 5.1b when I last checked. I have mentioned it here: https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...
Btw, it works in AS3 and AS4 for as long as I remember.

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I gotta agree with JohanEkdahl, unless I see a list of specific bug fixes, I'm going to put off updating until it's at least confirmed that the release is stable. I just spent a few hours upgrading three machines (and registering with atmel three times) from 5.0 to 5.1, and I'm not excited about doing it again with an even bigger file.

But this is great news for people who want to try out ARM. If this had happened six months ago, I might have gone with an ARM for my current project rather than a UC3.

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mtwieg wrote:
(and registering with atmel three times)

The current solution is to replace "/System/BaseForm/" in the url with "forms/software-download" or just use Dean's script: http://pastebin.com/8RGCFU5s

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I've requested a copy of the release notes from the tools team - when I receive them I'll post them here until they can be uploaded to the website.

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Shouldn't you have a "release procedure" which includes things like posting release notes and also your GCC patches (if that changed in the build). Usually all this kind of stuff can be automated so you click a button and everything required is gathered together. Doing this kind of thing in an ad-hoc/manual way is always prone to something being over-looked.

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avra wrote:
OKB wrote:
avra wrote:
...if AS6 has a feature to change editor background to some dark color
It's there. I believe it has been from 5.0 actually
Thanks a lot! I am quite sure it didn't exist in 5.1b when I last checked. I have mentioned it here: https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...
Btw, it works in AS3 and AS4 for as long as I remember.

You can download general Visual Studio 2010 themes (for instance from http://studiostyl.es/) and then import them using Tools->Import and Export Settings

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I have a copy of the release notes now, just need to get approval from someone more important than I to cover myself before I can upload them.

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clawson wrote:
Shouldn't you have a "release procedure" which includes things like posting release notes and also your GCC patches (if that changed in the build). Usually all this kind of stuff can be automated so you click a button and everything required is gathered together. Doing this kind of thing in an ad-hoc/manual way is always prone to something being over-looked.

And run automated tests against the compiler, the standard library, the "framework", and checks if the package is complete, and checks if website links work, products are correctly labeled, everything is available for download ...

But this is Windows. My experience is Windows programmers hate to automate things. Clicking themselves silly again and again and again gives them a sense of accomplishment. Especially if clicking Wizards.

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Posted by sikolymester: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 09:31 PM
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Will it be soon possible to set breakpoints at data locations during a debug session, as in Studio 4?

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Posted by js: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 09:32 PM
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And run automated tests against the compiler,
That would be 3 compilers right? One for 8 bit chips, one for 32 bit chips and one for ARM.

Or is one compiler doing all of them?

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Posted by valusoft: Wed. Feb 29, 2012 - 10:52 PM
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Just being a dumb "hey there is a crack in that plaster wall" sort of guy, I have to ask if anyone else notices the stupidity in this image?

Either that "6" is full of hot air, or that is a lead balloon

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Ok now so there is now NO doubt that I will NEVER donwload a new IDE, will stick for as long as I can with AS4 and then "Que sera,sera".

Unless of course there are checkboxes to EXCLUDE download and install of:

* ASF
* ARM
* 32bit
* Qtouch
* NOT related to AVR8 or Xmega.


agree on that..another 500MB of bloatware to fix bugs if only to get support for AVR8 or Xmega!
I was under the impression that this "world class" (Atmel marketing )software bs was modular?
bug fixes are nice but this is bs...Atmel needs to hire a professional developer, someone that knows how to write an Intelligent Update utility instead of this 500mb bloatware download..the internet must be gagging on it!

At the very least Atmel should look at for example Rowley Crossworks and how easy and Intelligent it is to update..now that is professional software by a REAL professional software dev team!
better yet Atmel could just hire an External Professional software team to develop this software !

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Posted by bobgardner: Thu. Mar 1, 2012 - 01:29 AM
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Yikes. No more Free IDEs for you.

Imagecraft compiler user

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Posted by stevech: Thu. Mar 1, 2012 - 04:18 AM
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asf-test wrote:

But this is Windows. My experience is Windows programmers hate to automate things. Clicking themselves silly again and again and again gives them a sense of accomplishment. Especially if clicking Wizards.
As of 6/2011, there were 90,412 employees at Microsoft, many are developers, testers, QA, and they all want to keep their jobs!

[edited to attribute the quote to the person who actually said it - not me guv!]

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Can't be too many in QA ... from my direct experience.

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

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Posted by js: Thu. Mar 1, 2012 - 04:45 AM
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the internet must be gagging on it!
Just like oil there is only so much internet around, once we run out we are in troubles. :?

I'm doing my bit in preserving the internet reserves but not dowloading any of V5 or V6.

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Posted by EW: Thu. Mar 1, 2012 - 05:26 AM
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js wrote:
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And run automated tests against the compiler,
That would be 3 compilers right? One for 8 bit chips, one for 32 bit chips and one for ARM.

Or is one compiler doing all of them?

Well, technically, there are 3 compilers, but they're all GCC. So there is a certain amount of common files, like a common "driver" executable. But, yeah, you have to have 1 compiler per host-target combination. So that makes 3 compilers.

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Thu. Mar 1, 2012 - 07:21 AM
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things like posting release notes

+1

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Posted by abcminiuser: Thu. Mar 1, 2012 - 07:29 AM
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The release notes were accidentally omitted by the website team, but they are uploaded now. Direct link:

http://www.atmel.com/Images/as6i...

- Dean :twisted:

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