[Anouncement] New Atmel Webdoc site

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In the aftermath of the latest release of Atmel Studio, the new version of the webdoc (finally) got pushed online.

It is, as always, available at www.atmel.no/webdoc

If anybody has any input, of the good or the bad, then let it be heard either below or in one of the normal support channels...

:: Morten

 

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Looks bad with JavaScript disabled.

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It works here but feels very sluggish in response. Maybe all 200,000 freaks are so excited by it and everyone is on line.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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I am not surprised that it is slow., it downloads about 3Mbytes of javascript.

Website bloat is getting more and more common. :(

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Looks bad with JavaScript disabled.

True... I'll make a note of that...

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It works here but feels very sluggish in response.

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, it downloads about 3Mbytes of javascript.

That bloat is for the main page only, and consists of the search index (bloat?). The specific pages should now contain only the search index for the respective sub document.

Some of the slowness seems to come from a 'small' traffic spike, and also the fact that the webserver seems to ignore my .htaccess file, causing the cache header to be wrong... I need to check that on monday :P

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9 out of 10 sites could do just fine w/o "javascript". :(

Atmel needs a saxophone-smashing department. It would be the absolutely best and cheapest way to increase user-experience on Atmels web sites. Pity on the instrument, but in this case it would be defendable.. :wink:

What is worse is that that atmel.no runs Google Analytics.

Just had a quick glance through some contents and it looks really good. E.g. I see that the AS5/6 "solution concept" (carried over from MS Visual Studio) is explained. Don't know if that is new content, but this will be really good to point to next time a question on it arises.

(OT/Tip: If you really want to be ambitious re the solution concept, you could add that a project can be in several solutions, just as a solution can contain several projects. E.g. you could have a "source code library" and two application projects P1 and P2 using it. Two solutions can be set up. One containing P1 and the library, the other containing P2 and the library. Stress that there will noly be one instance of the library on disk, but regardless of which app project you are working on the library will also be "reachable" from that projects solution.)

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

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What is worse is that that atmel.no runs Google Analytics.

Yes, I do (on the webdoc part of it at least). Currently used to get some speed/load and geographical data etc. (sorry to our Mexican users for the extremely bad load times, btw...)

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he AS5/6 "solution concept" (carried over from MS Visual Studio) is explained. Don't know if that is new content,

Not new per say, but more accessible.

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(OT/Tip: [...]

True, the solution concept vs projects can be a bit difficult to both grasp, and also use to the full extent of it...

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9 out of 10 sites could do just fine w/o "javascript".

Well, yes. But then with frames, which is a whole other abomination. The main javascript used is the search (done offline due to server restrictions/existing framwork) and the content tree (and analytics). The 3mb javascript mentioned is ONLY on the root page, as this page can search all sub pages. This is the same issue as with the old one unfortunately. There are talk in the docbook/dita community though of implementing Apache Lucene for serverside search. This is however a bit down the road.

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What, exactly, do you mean?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5YoYngbal4

Seriously, I have no idea what "saxophone smashing" means in this context.

Four legs good, two legs bad, three legs stable.

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But then with frames, which is a whole other abomination.
Another OT ... the word "frames" made me think of w3schools. I use it for my once in a while HTML exercises. I guess I never looked at wikipedia's article on w3schools. Apparently, w3schools is also a Norwegian company. And I did not know anything about w3Fools until today, and therefore I always liked w3schools. Anyway, it looks that they do their stuff without frames. I guess that means that they have to duplicate the left side on every page ... don't know if this is good or bad.

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Yes, I do (on the webdoc part of it at least). Currently used to get some speed/load and geographical data etc.

And paying for that by selling parts of our lives to Google. :evil:

Long live Firefox and NoScript!

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Re the saxophone smashing, it was someone else who started this long ago. Someone with inside information said that the web department on Atmel would get something done if they just stopped playing Yakety Sax.

From there, I have made saxophone allegories my favourite pastime when we're talking about web sites Atmelian.

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

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Anyway, in my case, I think it's a matter of "been there done that", don't need to do it again or in very rare occasions. :-)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Seems to work fine in Opera. It's mighty wide, though.

If you don't know my whole story, keep your mouth shut.

If you know my whole story, you're an accomplice. Keep your mouth shut. 

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Fine on Apple (desktop) Safari. JavaScript is on, Java is off. Have not tried my Mac Mini (iOS Safari)

Home page is quite slow to load, (maybe 6-8 seconds) even on a 5GB (yes - university network!) ethernet connection. Reload from local cache takes less than 2 seconds, which is still a bit sluggish.

Jim

 

Until Black Lives Matter, we do not have "All Lives Matter"!

 

 

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The home page is being worked on, seems the webserver ignores my cries for compression and cache headers...

Maybe I'll have to spill some coffee at the IT department tomorrow :P

:: Morten

 

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Hi Morten,

Overall, I like it. Congratulations. But...

It is a bit slow I agree... and I am on cable.

Do you really have to have the Atmel Disclaimer notice on every main category page. Seems like it should suffice to just be loaded once on main entry.

Cheers,

Ross

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

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Do you really have to have the Atmel Disclaimer notice on every main category page. Seems like it should suffice to just be loaded once on main entry.

Well, Ross; the "official answer is yes". Due to Americans being the predominant part of legal, all documents from Atmel needs discalimer. The one on the front page is the same as the one on the back page of our PDFs.

The more earthly reason is that I needed to have it in there somewhere, so I showed it into the titlepage as there are not much information on it anyways... I guess
I guess I could make it font size 4... Legal departments like the tiny fonts...

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4 points. Light blue on white. All caps. And bury some important bit of information in the 43rd paragraph where nobody will see it.

Concerning musical instruments: What's a burning oboe good for?

If you don't know my whole story, keep your mouth shut.

If you know my whole story, you're an accomplice. Keep your mouth shut. 

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1. By contrast, works pretty fast for me, (connected from atmel intranet). But doing a traceroute shows that the request is forwarded through exteranl route, and not internal servers. traceroute output.

7 vl-3607-ve-231.csw2.london1.level3.net (4.69.166.26) 181.402 ms vl-3608-ve-232.csw2.london1.level3.net (4.69.166.30) 179.628 ms vl-3606-ve-230.csw2.london1.level3.net (4.69.166.22) 180.514 ms
8 ae-56-221.ebr2.london1.level3.net (4.69.153.129) 179.830 ms 179.681 ms ae-57-222.ebr2.london1.level3.net (4.69.153.133) 180.640 ms
9 ae-48-48.ebr2.amsterdam1.level3.net (4.69.143.81) 180.126 ms 178.783 ms 179.093 ms
10 ae-21-21.ebr1.amsterdam1.level3.net (4.69.143.53) 180.282 ms 180.438 ms ae-23-23.ebr1.amsterdam1.level3.net (4.69.143.61) 180.009 ms
11 ae-45-45.ebr2.dusseldorf1.level3.net (4.69.143.198) 180.015 ms ae-46-46.ebr2.dusseldorf1.level3.net (4.69.143.202) 185.705 ms 179.799 ms
12 ae-22-22.ebr1.dusseldorf1.level3.net (4.69.143.185) 179.498 ms 179.737 ms ae-24-24.ebr1.dusseldorf1.level3.net (4.69.143.193) 180.704 ms
13 ae-1-7.bar1.copenhagen1.level3.net (4.69.142.169) 173.250 ms 172.605 ms 173.255 ms
14 ae-6-6.car1.oslo1.level3.net (4.69.143.225) 180.270 ms 181.167 ms 181.175 ms
15 212.162.27.10 (212.162.27.10) 181.856 ms 181.873 ms 182.323 ms
16 te10-2-0.cr2.san110.as2116.net (193.75.3.169) 182.766 ms te0-0-0-2.oslo-oslos3da-p2.as2116.net (193.75.3.133) 179.932 ms 180.561 ms
17 * * *

2. Home page organization is quiet good, i like the windows 8 tiling kind of style.

3. The visual assist X help page is categorized under extending studio, that is a bit odd from others.

4. There is no mentioning about the Atmel Studio SDK/XDK or any references related to it.

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5. A more apparant version number to which atmel studio version(s) this doucmentation holds true ;).

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Hi Sounder;

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4. There is no mentioning about the Atmel Studio SDK/XDK or any references related to it.

Nobody ever asked about it :P

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3. The visual assist X help page is categorized under extending studio, that is a bit odd from others.

That's not the only strangeness. Content needs a read through, as there have been many cooks etc involved in the content.

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But doing a traceroute shows that the request is forwarded through exteranl route, and not internal servers.

Jupp, it's on atmel.no which is not part of the intranett... (one of our old servers in a corner of IT as far as I can tell)

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5. A more apparant version number to which atmel studio version(s) this doucmentation holds true Wink.
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Well... It's rolling, so always the latest version.

:: Morten

 

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Cool !

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I just tried printing some of the pages. Zilch. Nada.

This is on a Mac with Javascript in the Safari browser. It is a very rare web page that won't print but I cannot print any of these. I particularly like to print-to-pdf for off-line reference of a few pages.

Jim

 

Until Black Lives Matter, we do not have "All Lives Matter"!

 

 

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Now, that's an issue... AVRSV-4933

:: Morten

 

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A new version is being uploaded now, with some print support at least.

Note that the following entries are not updated, as the content is locked:

ATMEGA256RFR2_Xplained_PRO
IO1_Xplained_Pro
OLED1_Xplained_Pro
PROTO1_Xplained_Pro
SAM4L_Xplained_PRO
SAM4S_Xplained_PRO
Segment_LCD1_Xplained_Pro
SAMD20_Xplained_Pro
SAM4N_Xplained_PRO
AtmelStudioUserGuide

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Ok, now:
- The print issue have been fixed
- The page is now readable when scripts are disabled (done by loading the print css if no script is detected)

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Hey Morten!

I constantly find myself looking up the URL for the Webdoc site. How about trying to convince the people tending www.atmel.com to link to the appropriate Webdoc part from e.g. each tools page?

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

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Hi Johan,

That would be optimal, and indeed some tools do as the Dragon. However, as the doc is something we publish a bit under the legal radar, I have an agreement with web that they link to me if they have no other "official" source.

As you probably read from my cautiousness, the bureaucracy on this matter is... astonishing. And, as this is "non-official" work, it is not being prioritized as much anymore after I got some slots allocated in the update.

(The google analytics that some complained about is there for a reason; to have traffic data to show those that do time allocation :P )

:: Morten

 

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The postings on this site are my own and do not represent Microchip’s positions, strategies, or opinions.