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Posted by awneil: Thu. Dec 14, 2017 - 02:24 PM
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Of more interest to ARM users, but there is nowhere in the ARM "community" for such things.

 

<rolls eyes>

 

ST wrote:

Geneva, Switzerland / 12 Dec 2017

 

STMicroelectronics (NYSE: STM) ... today announced its acquisition of software-development tools specialist Atollic. Atollic is the supplier of TrueSTUDIO ® , a professionally-recognized and highly regarded Integrated Development Environment (IDE) for the embedded development community focusing on Arm®Cortex® -M microcontrollers,

 

http://www.st.com/content/st_com...

 

And they have stated their intention to remove support for non-ST parts:

 

https://community.st.com/message...

 

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Posted by clawson: Thu. Dec 14, 2017 - 02:57 PM
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But that's not a "toolchain", it's an IDE isn't it? The fact that it's Eclipse+CDT based presumably suggests it's usually used as a wrapper for arm-gcc (the actual toolchain)?

 

I don't see the problem. Presumably Atollic have been rewarded (handsomely I guess?) for the effort they put into adding value to a generic Eclipse+CDT ? So they win. Also STM now have themselves an IDE under their control. So they win. So who actually "loses" here?

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Posted by awneil: Thu. Dec 14, 2017 - 03:25 PM (Reply to #2)
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clawson wrote:
But that's not a "toolchain", it's an IDE isn't it?

OK - fair enough.

 

So who actually "loses" here?

Anyone who was using this for non-ST parts.

 

Do you remember CodeRed?

 

That was another  independent IDE (Eclipse + GCC) which offered commercial support at reasonable prices.

 

I was using that one for Luminary (now TI) parts - until NXP bought them, and killed all the non-NXP support.

 

frown

 

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Even at max-zoom-out, I can't fit their Atmel support page on a single screen height:

 

https://atollic.com/truestudio/target-support/atmel/

 

and the rest:

https://atollic.com/truestudio/target-support/

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Posted by clawson: Thu. Dec 14, 2017 - 03:29 PM
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Ah yes, I use CodeRed for NXP parts - it was/is a nice environment.

awneil wrote:
Anyone who was using this for non-ST parts.
Are STM going to come round to their house and wipe their current IDEs from their hard drives then? Sure it may mean "no future support" but if you have an IDE that presumably "works just fine" now (because otherwise you wouldn't be using it!) then does it matter if there's no promise of future updates? It's a bit like buying a car from Ford. Sure they go on and make new models but for the next 20+ years the one you bought will likely still do the job won't it?

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Posted by awneil: Thu. Dec 14, 2017 - 03:33 PM (Reply to #4)
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at least it wasn't a cloud-based thing ... !!

 

 

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Thu. Dec 14, 2017 - 11:33 PM
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clawson wrote:
Are STM going to come round to their house and wipe their current IDEs from their hard drives then? Sure it may mean "no future support"

Especially since, as I understand it, TI eventually killed the Luminary Stellaris product line. No future parts, so it could only be for bugfixes and similar maintenance that a new version would be needed/desired.

 

(Sidenote: Luminary released a whole series of nice development/evaluation boards. Debugger on-board, display on board among other things. Buttons, LEDs, breakout headers. Several years ahead of Atmel, and price lower than for a SAM Xplained + OLED1 Xplained combo. Cables included. A choice of one IDE + toolchain was included - CodeRed being one alternative, which I chose. Somewhere in the back of a cupboard I still have those kits colleccting dust...)

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here. 

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

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Posted by awneil: Fri. Dec 15, 2017 - 12:10 AM (Reply to #6)
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I think that Luminary were the first with the debugger-on-board idea; Atmel were very late to that party.

 

They were the first to market with a Cortex-M.

 

One of the first with on-chip Ethernet PHY, IIRC.

 

I also have a box full of Stellaris kits...

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Posted by avrcandies: Fri. Dec 15, 2017 - 12:17 AM
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Maybe they can perform a remote downgrade/shutdown...they wouldn't do that, right?

 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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