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Hi guys

I found this cool little board on the net:
http://extremeelectronics.co.in/...
... Which is sold from India.
Are any of you aware of a similar product being sold within the EU?

(because I don't really want the hassle of Danish customs).

Thanks in advance.

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Arduino/Freeduino perhaps ?

Unless you want to buy 100's, customs will not be a big hassle, I think.
Under € 120 it's even free of VAT

Nard

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I've never had any customs problems here in the UK with low-value items like that sent from India. Is it different in Denmark?

Leon Heller G1HSM

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Well, the Danish customs often return goods if they can't figure out what exactly they do.
Also, whether or not I get charged for VAT, I will always get charged at least one fee, just for them to look at it.
On top of that, there's often an expidition time of 1-3 weeks.

So, it's possible, it's just really inconvenient.
I'll take a look at arduino.
I've also checked out Olimex, who seem to have some boards resembling that in the link, which is to say, a simple board with a processor, SPI wired and power circuit wired.

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Sorry my friend but I would be embarrassed buying one of those boards for development\learning. :-) What's wrong with a bit of veroboard, a socket, crystal and a few components and do it yourself? Darn!! No wonder I'm poor I think no one would buy simple stuff like that from me. :lol:

Feast your eyes on one of my early AVR "development" boards.

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John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Snip at £13... change the Xtal to 12M and it could run as a V-USB programmer :)

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Well, I want to make several of the same kind of item (not serial production by any means), and soldering the same basic circuit 20 times over would make me dizzy :)
The Olimex board looks good (and so does the js-board).

Do any of you have experience with the Minimus-boards?
http://www.ck3.co.uk/minimus-avr...

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Over the years I have bought several boards / components from China, Hong Kong, India, Thailand, Taiwan, U.S., Bulgaria ...

My rule of thumb is never use Courier or UPS if you can avoid it.
The reason is simple. Customs will reckon this is urgent so must be worth Tax and Duties.

Regular airmail from the Far East will take some 7-10 days. The Customs Declarations are always honest and accurate. I have seldom been charged. (These packages are $5 - $100 in value)

Denmark may be different. I do not object to paying taxes. But if I am not asked for them, I am quite happy too.

If you buy from Digikey or other U.S. companies, they often insist on UPS. If you want fast, reliable delivery in 1-2 days, you just have to pay for it !!!

EU companies like RS or Farnell will deliver in 1 day by regular post.

David.

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Malmkvist,
Just follow the link and buy it from within denmark :
http://arduino.cc/en/Main/Buy

Denmark: MemeMaker, Let Elektronik, ElectroZone.dk

Thanks!

Why memorize anything which you can easily pen down on a piece of paper or get from a book in less than two minutes? - Albert Einstein on being asked why cant he remember his phone number!!!

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This may be another option: http://www.mikroe.com/eng/catego...

cheers

A GIF is worth a thousend words   They are called Rosa, Sylvia, Tessa and Tina, You can find them https://www.linuxmint.com/

Dragon broken ? http://aplomb.nl/TechStuff/Dragon/Dragon.html for how-to-fix tips

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Thanks for your links and insights :)
I'll take a close look at all of them - I'm sure I'll find a good solution on one of those pages.

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the same basic circuit 20 times over

I think many here would buy the first development board with which to get your hardware worked out, and your software up and running.

Then consider laying out your own PCB and having them made. It is much faster to solder parts on a PCB than to hand wire the development board, and your own board contains only what you need.

JC

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Plons wrote:
Arduino/Freeduino perhaps ?

Unless you want to buy 100's, customs will not be a big hassle, I think.
Under € 120 it's even free of VAT

Nard

In DK the limit is 10.5 Eur (80 dkk) :cry:
http://www.postdanmark.dk/cms/da...

Then you have to pay 25% VAT , and the "Post/mail" charges 21€ (160 dkk) on top , for Handling the VAT payments to "Customs" (and you aren't allowed to do it your self)

Btw: I'd recommend "Let Elektronik" of the above.
Not ElektroZone :x

But also have a look here http://www.watterott.com/ it's only 10€ in shipping. Almost the same as DK shipping.

Edit:
The JeeLabs Shop has some nice boards , i have bought some nice jeenodes there. M328 with a RFM-12 wireless.
2.5€ in ship & free if order above 25€
http://jeelabs.com/products/jeenode

http://jeelabs.com/collections/all

If you get jeenodes , remember to get a BOB-USB board (to load the fw)

/Bingo

Last Edited: Fri. Sep 16, 2011 - 11:39 AM
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Karsten, does that € 10.50 "treshold" also apply for shipments from the Netherlands, Germany etc ? If so, it's very expensive for you guys to buy abroad ....

Nard

A GIF is worth a thousend words   They are called Rosa, Sylvia, Tessa and Tina, You can find them https://www.linuxmint.com/

Dragon broken ? http://aplomb.nl/TechStuff/Dragon/Dragon.html for how-to-fix tips

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Sales within EEC is free all round...Except trade (vat registered) to end user, (non vat registered)in which case the supplier has to charge the supplier's rate of VAT.

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js wrote:
Sorry my friend but I would be embarrassed buying one of those boards for development\learning. :-) What's wrong with a bit of veroboard, a socket, crystal and a few components and do it yourself? Darn!! No wonder I'm poor I think no one would buy simple stuff like that from me. :lol:

Feast your eyes on one of my early AVR "development" boards.

awhile ago I found some bare 40 pin avr developement boards on ebay for a few bucks apiece. They use RS232 instead of USB, but I can fix that with an external USB breakout board. They were intended for atmega16/32, but work fine with the atmega1284p. I populated the boards (just needed a socket, resistors, caps, crystal, 7805, and some connectors (had most of that stuff in the junque-box :-) ). Think I'll turn the board into an arduino by adding connectors spaced to fit a shield (the board is just big enough for that). It even has connectors for ISP, JTAG, and TWI. Sorry but I forget which ebay seller it was, but I'm sure he is still in business (I'll post the URL if I find it). The same guy has a PIC-KIT-II clone kit (which I also bought) and a JTAGMKI clone kit (POS).

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I found this cool little board on the net:

A board cannot be cool when it comes with m8.
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the same basic circuit 20 times over

Why would one need 20 sets of these? Are you a teacher?

No RSTDISBL, no fun!

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Maybe he's building an AVR Beowulf.

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Think I'll turn the board into an arduino by adding connectors spaced to fit a shield
But there is no Arduino board that uses that processor family so you can't just use the Arduino environment directly as you can't select a board which uses one of those processors.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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js wrote:
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Think I'll turn the board into an arduino by adding connectors spaced to fit a shield
But there is no Arduino board that uses that processor family so you can't just use the Arduino environment directly as you can't select a board which uses one of those processors.
Not exactly true. There is an Arduio clone that uses the atmega644p, and there is an extension of the arduino IDE that can be downloaded and patched in. The atmega1284 will work fine with this extension by changing one line of code (the cpu define). I will have to come up with a way to define which I/O lines go to which shield connectors, the result will be halfway between an arduino and an arduino mega.

http://www.vimeo.com/1237093?pg=...
http://sanguino.cc/

Last Edited: Thu. Sep 15, 2011 - 10:02 PM
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Did not know that, thanks.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Plons wrote:
Karsten, does that € 10.50 "treshold" also apply for shipments from the Netherlands, Germany etc ? If so, it's very expensive for you guys to buy abroad ....

Nard

As chartman wrote , the VAT & extra charges only applies to "Non EU" purchases.

But i'd love to have 120€ as minimum , that would be usable for a buying a small protoboard from "where ever".

The Danish limit is a joke .....
And i even think they calculate the shipping price as a part of the total allowed amount.

/Bingo

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The Danish limit is a joke .....

In the UK it's £18 which is something like €21 I guess. You can actually get quite a lot of "stuff" that is below this threshold. But David's advice above is a very good one. Have items sent by a national postal service and not a courier and you can get considerably beyond the £18 limit and no one seems to care.

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Some suppliers in China put a reduced price on the customs declaration. I suppose there could be problems if Customs opened the package and saw an invoice that didn't correspond with the declaration.

Leon Heller G1HSM

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I never knew that there were official limits. I am sure that I regularly exceed the £18 on a packet from the Far East.

I am sure that you always had to pay Customs duties 30 years ago. They just do not bother to ask now for small packets in the post.

All the same, if taxes are due, I will pay them. In fact if you add in the 'possible' import taxes, those eBay purchases do not look quite so attractive.

I definitely avoid Digikey. UK distributors like Farnell, RS, Rapid are not that much different in price when you add in the charges.

David.

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clawson wrote:
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The Danish limit is a joke .....

In the UK it's £18 which is something like €21 I guess.

Cliff i think you misunderstod.
The DK limit is 10.5€ , and if you are above that limit , you have to pay VAT.

So in the "International Mailcenter" at the borders/airports. Any package with a value above 10.5€ , is selected for VAT processing by the "Mail".
The Post/Mail is allowed to charge you an extra fee of €21 , for that "service".

And since they were allowed to charge that fee , NO packages gets through , if there is even the sligthest possibility of charging that fee. It's a lot of $$$$.

I have had several packages opened by the Post , so they could verify that the declared value was correct.

And 2 packages where i had to get , en extra written statement from the seller. That the value on the invoice in the package was correct.

I once had to buy 2 CDs , only available in the US.
The total price on Amazon.com was $23 , including shipping i think.

I ended up paying around $75 to the Postman , to get my CD's.

So "Mail" packages to private persons on DK , doesn't slip through easily. As the Post/Mail smells a lot of "fee" $$$

The sad part is : I wouldn't mind to pay the 25% VAT , but the 21€ fee is killing me.

Ie. get the above Arduino board , but add 25% VAT and €21 to the price.

Thats why i try to get things from EU , unless the purchase price is so much that the €21 fee , isn't notisable.

/Bingo

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Cliff i think you misunderstod.

Err no, no I didn't. In theory everything thing that lands in the UK from outside the EU is subject to the levy of VAT and possibly duty depending on what it is. However clearly customs have determined that the revenue they'd get from a package of £18 value or less does not warrant the amount of effort it would take their staff to do the inspection/paperwork so there is that limit:

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/chann...

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2.3 What are the limits for customs duty and import VAT?

* Commercial consignments of £18 or less are free from customs duty and import VAT (please note: With effect from 1 November 2011 the £18 threshold will be reduced to £15 - see 2.4 below). For example, goods purchased over the internet with an intrinsic value not exceeding £18, will not be charged any duty or VAT but this does not include alcohol, tobacco products, perfume or toilet waters. See paragraph 2.6, 2.7 and section 3.
* If you are sent a gift with a value of £40 or less, and which complies with the rules shown in paragraph 2.5, it will be free from customs duty and import VAT, but this does not include alcohol, tobacco, perfumes and toilet waters.
* Customs duty becomes payable if the value of the goods is over £135 but duty is waived if the amount of duty calculated is less than £9.

There are a number of other circumstances where relief from some or all customs charges may be available. If you think your goods may be eligible for a relief you should contact the Excise and Customs Helpline on Tel 0845 010 9000 for further information.


The bastards are actually reducing it from £18 to £15 at the start of November!

Note the second point - if you can get the sender to wrap it in gift wrapping and call it a "birthday present" the limit moves to £40.

That £135 thing comes as a shock - I know I've been charged duty on top of VAT for items that were well below £135 .

And the real "kicker" for me is that if you do get "spotted" then not only do you pay 20% VAT and perhaps 4%..20% duty but then bloody DHL/UPS/Royal Mail charge you something like £20-£30 "handling fee" because the poor dears had to mess with customs inspection. If a package is only £50 or something you can end up spending the best part of £80 because of all this.

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clawson wrote:

Note the second point - if you can get the sender to wrap it in gift wrapping and call it a "birthday present" the limit moves to £40.

Same in DK

But they do open packages to verify (aka get the fee) , and the gift trick is a 100% no-go if return address says "Company/shop .... @ HongKong"

clawson wrote:

And the real "kicker" for me is that if you do get "spotted" then not only do you pay 20% VAT and perhaps 4%..20% duty but then bloody DHL/UPS/Royal Mail charge you something like £20-£30 "handling fee" because the poor dears had to mess with customs inspection. If a package is only £50 or something you can end up spending the best part of £80 because of all this.

So both "Mails" are allowed to charge ridiculous fees for a few lines entered in a computer.

I'm sorry to her that. I thought it was only the DK-post that was allowed to be a "money machine" on that point.

/Bingo

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But they do open packages to verify (aka get the fee) , and the gift trick is a 100% no-go if return address says "Company/shop .... @ HongKong"

Then I wonder what are the criteria of "birthday present". Do they check your uncle's birthday date? Or the intentions of the sender? Sounds like science-fiction.

No RSTDISBL, no fun!

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Brutte wrote:

Then I wonder what are the criteria of "birthday present". Do they check your uncle's birthday date? Or the intentions of the sender? Sounds like science-fiction.

From DK-Mail's page

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Hvornår er det en gave?
Når både afsender og modtager af gaven er privatpersoner og der ikke er penge involveret mellem parterne.
Er afsender eller modtager en virksomhed er der altså ikke længere tale om en gave.

Xlate

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When is it a gift ?
When both sender & receiver are private persons , and there is no money involved between the parties.
If sender or receiver is a company , then this is no longer a gift.

/Bingo

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I know of the alternate definitions, but it still seems pretty weird to think about shipping "toilet waters". Used or unused?

Science is not consensus. Science is numbers.

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@hobbs

If you were french , and translated to that ... It might give more meaning :-)

Eau de toilette

/Bingo

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Wow, this thread really got a life of its own :)

Yeah, the whole fee-circus is why I prefer to buy from within the EU. It's really annoying, but what can one do..?

The deal about making 20-something identical circuits is that I want to build some interactive practice targets for my airsoft hobby.
Given the low amount of boards, I thought it was too little to lay out my own board, but enough that if I didn't do my best to streamline the "manufacturing process" a little, I could end up soldering a whole week's worth of spare time :)

Thank you all for your inputs, thoughts and great links.