Why is Studio such a bloatfest? Firmware upgrade without it?

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Xilinx's current ISE Design Suite is a 5.63 Gbyte download! And a lot more than that when installed. Most of it is device-specific, of course.

Leon Heller G1HSM

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People in this thread may be interested in reading this:

http://developers.slashdot.org/c...

It follows the same themes.

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Happy new year everyone. :)

torkildr wrote:

The perspective switching does take time and I'm not sure what is causing it. However it has never bothered me.

I think this is the crux of it for some people - the not bothering.

I was at a friend's house for New Year's Eve and he was banging on about how great Win 7 is (we often have sessions where we take the mick out of each other's OS choice). He's got a Quad Core twenty trillion gigahertz processor (I exaggerate for "comic" effect) and it made me smile to myself how slow it was to the most basic tasks compared to the latest implementation of KDE4 based Linux distribution that I have recently installed on a way older and slower machine.

I came across an identical thing with a friend who was running Vista in the summer.

Both of these two are in IT and both dabble with Linux. However, even after having pointed out just how sluggish his modern system running Vista was he just shrugged.

Some people just ain't bovvered! ;)

So, with that in mind I'll happily (but beumusedly) accept that some people don't mind the perceptible delays and the sluggish responsiveness of their desktops and apps. As long as I can run something fast and snappy and it runs the apps I need we're all happy.

Thanks for the Mono link, btw. That's exactly the sort of flame-fest I've seen regularly!

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how slow it was to the most basic tasks compared to the latest implementation of KDE4 based Linux distribution

While I'm agnostic about OS's (I use both equally though the Linux is mainly in a professional context) I'd be interested to know what tasks would be notably different in speed on similar hardware between Linux and Win7?

Maybe my problem is that the Linuxes I use are all Gnome (+GTK) based rather than KDE?

But say you ask the computer to Bzip a 1GB file (the kind of "long" job I need to do a lot) it makes no difference which OS is used - the CPU has the same horsepower.

Or were you talking about eye-candy animations in the GUI?

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clawson wrote:
While I'm agnostic about OS's (I use both equally though the Linux is mainly in a professional context) I'd be interested to know what tasks would be notably different in speed on similar hardware between Linux and Win7?

Maybe my problem is that the Linuxes I use are all Gnome (+GTK) based rather than KDE?

But say you ask the computer to Bzip a 1GB file (the kind of "long" job I need to do a lot) it makes no difference which OS is used - the CPU has the same horsepower.

Or were you talking about eye-candy animations in the GUI?

The thing I noticed was just something as basic as opening a new tab in the browser. They'd click on the link and there'd be this noticeable delay where they had to wait for the tab to render before they could start entering a URL. It was just the general snappishness (if that's a word!) of the OS. These weren't even installations bogged down with Winrot.

The reason I mentioned KDE4 is because that's what a lot of people within the Linux world are comparing to Vista in terms of shininess and an over reliance on fancy graphics leading to a slower desktop. (Something which I found with the 4.0-4.2 release, but am really enjoying it now.) I would expect Gnome to be at last as fast and probably faster.

I wonder whether the long jobs make no odds because they're not graphics intensive?

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Yup, you are just talking about eye candy. In Vista a lot of the "fluff" can be disabled anyway.

BTW I don't know if you follow the GCC Forum but an interesting development there is that in future the components of WinAVR will be included with Studio - so the 130MB download will now be 160MB - now what were you saying about "bloat"? ;-)

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so the 130MB download will now be 160M

Two observations:
1) 160 MB is still less that 1/1000 of a "standard" hard disk today..
2) If this is bloat please observe who/what will supply this bloat: Mainly GNU stuff.

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One observation:

1) 160MB download using a 56K modem takes a bloody long time!

(about 8.75 hours)

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JohanEkdahl wrote:
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so the 130MB download will now be 160M

Two observations:
1) 160 MB is still less that 1/1000 of a "standard" hard disk today..
2) If this is bloat please observe who/what will supply this bloat: Mainly GNU stuff.

Two observations.

1. My laptop HDD is 20G. I'd say that was one hell of a lot more than 1/1000 of its capacity!

2. Er, mainly? I would say just under 19%!

3. My tongue is slightly in my cheek at the moment. :D

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DiBosco wrote:
3. My tongue is slightly in my cheek at the moment. :D
My God, you must be flexible!

Smiley

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Smiley, if I was that flexible, I wouldn't be designing electronics for a living. ;)

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Sorry, I almost couldn't type in the post I was laughing so hard. Easily amused.

Smiley

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My laptop HDD is 20G.

So, stay with an AVR Studio whose age matches the age of the hard disk.

You can take your tongue out now, Jar Jar.

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