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Posted by truhlik_fredy: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 05:12 PM

I would like to get ICE, because I want debug my programs.
And I want to program them like I'm doing now with my LPT programmer.
And I want to have it on USB because just 1 computer here have LPT port and it's running windows, I would like to move it to different one running Linux, but don't have ltp.

I already got USB programer but it's the cheap USB emulation in SW MCU and on my windows machine it's runing just sometimes (various jumper settings) and not reliable to write, just sometime I could read something. And on the Linux I just got everytime different error and I think the HW is just too cheap to be useful.

Now I'm looking after this one
http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI....
I think ST500 was solid one, I think I could get it working with most SW (AVR studio,IAR), Linux as well. But no debuging.

The this one:
http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI....
I don't know on what this clone is based on, or compatible.
From this company I got the cheap USB programer and I'm little bit in fear if this one hase real USB chip or just some emulation.
If it's for AVR Studio 4.12 that is good? Or bad, I'm newbie here, I think for different version of AVR studio I need different boatloader or firmaware or something. So 4.12 is good one? And If I need update I need to flash the device somehow with the avr studio fw? IAR debuger need some different protocol, or some have som common standard protocol and work with more debuging sws, I'm now using CodeVision in WINE emulation on linux and then programing with PonyProg on diferent machine. Later I want to use same machine to code and program (still CodeVision) and debug in AVR studio. And perhaps later go to IAR.
Can I with this debbuger program as well? I think so just I'm not so sure when I have ICA JTAG is 100% sure that I will be able to program it as well.
Is the ICE able to reprogram chip with wrong fuses?

And this one:
http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI....
This one looks good, just it could use some case.
What do you think on this one.
But the postage is to Ireland as expensive as device, so it's 50$

The last one:
Most expensive
http://cgi.ebay.ie/AVR-JTAG-ICE-...

I don't know If I can afford this one, but if the previous are just crap, I will rather wait and buy this one.

I like that is supported by the avrstudio upgrade tool, so when new avr studio comes I could have ability to get new fw inside it, I don't know if the previous have this

And perhaps I could be flashed to work for diferenet IDE not avrstudio, or not?

Should I forget the whole ebay and get from serious source? Like avrfreaks? :)

Prehaps this one could the job done:
https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...

Or it's to DIY, like this one
http://www.siwawi.arubi.uni-kl.d...

People, I'm absolutely clue less, I have there is some serious device just right for me but I don't know which one it is :)

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Posted by leon_heller: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 05:25 PM

Why not buy a Dragon rather than something on Ebay that might or might not work?

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Posted by truhlik_fredy: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 05:53 PM

leon_heller wrote:

Why not buy a Dragon rather than something on Ebay that might or might not work?

Leon

Why?

a) Because in shitty country like Ireland is shitty auction site most best way to get the things. Back in slovakia I used to get things from www.sos.sk they had everything. But here, here is nothing, so then the ebay is starting to be useful.

b) Because I didn't know that dragon exists :) , I just opened old folder with my saved pages with some devices and started looking where I could get them.

The dragon in digikey for 49$ that is not so bad, and looks it has everything. You think is the best think in this range? I don't want get something for over 150$ to get the same job. Thanks for the advice :)

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Posted by Mike B: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 06:05 PM

See if this half off deal is still available (or available in your area):
https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...

http://www.arrownac.com/manufact...
ATJTAGICE2 - PROMO Retail price - $299. Your price - $149.50

This is the real ATMEL JTAGICE MKII, not a clone.

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Posted by truhlik_fredy: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 06:18 PM

Mike B wrote:

See if this half off deal is still available (or available in your area):
https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...

http://www.arrownac.com/manufact...
ATJTAGICE2 - PROMO Retail price - $299. Your price - $149.50

This is the real ATMEL JTAGICE MKII, not a clone.

Deal is avaible, just no stock :) (I have no clue why :) :) :) )

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 06:20 PM

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Because in sh*tty country like Ireland is sh*tty auction site

Do not use profanity on this website - it could be accessed by children.

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(anyway Ireland is in the EU so you can buy from any European distributor with fairly cheap delivery (and probably at a lower VAT rate than Ireland))

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Posted by ArnoldB: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 06:50 PM

He could even buy from his beloved Slovakian company, since Slovakia is in the EU, too. But I guess that would have been to easy. But I doubt they can beat the 15% VAT he can get around the corner in the UK.

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Posted by truhlik_fredy: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 07:43 PM

ArnoldB wrote:

He could even buy from his beloved Slovakian company, since Slovakia is in the EU, too. But I guess that would have been to easy. But I doubt they can beat the 15% VAT he can get around the corner in the UK.

Sorry for the words, just I'm very disappointed about couple things.

Beloved, or not beloved, just country with normal way to get to parts. Tell how pleasured you will be if you move from country where you have normal distribution and access to shops with part in your town just 15min away to country where you can just import from other countrys, uk china etc...

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 08:18 PM

I live part of my time in UK and part in Ireland so I know what you mean but I know where I'd prefer to live (not the UK)!

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 09:00 PM

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Back in slovakia I used to get things from www.sos.sk

So, order from them now when you are in ireland. I just peepd over to their site, observed that the sitye could be asked to speak several languages apart from Slovakian, eg English. So next step was to check up on delivery rates. I could not find specific carriers and shipping rates, but they say this on the site:

Quote:

You choose the method of delivery
Consignments are forwarded from our warehouse in KoÅ¡ice primaril y through UPS. Shipping charges will be added to the invoice value. On request, we also forward by forwarding agent specified by you. If you decide to choose a specified forwarding agent please contact us and we will advice you on the fastest and cheapest form of transport. Please note that the total shipping charges are calculated based on the total weight of all the items on your order. Please let us know if you want standard or express delivery. Forwarding costs are based on the current price lists of the appointed forwarding agent.

As I assume that you speak their native language, and as you are a returning customer, I am sure that you can convince them to send with a cheaper carrier (eg postal service). You should then get off just as cheap, or cheaper than, ordering stuff from people on EBay.

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Posted by ArnoldB: Tue. Jun 2, 2009 - 10:50 PM

Having worked in Ireland a few times I really don't see the guy's problem. Good food, good beer, no Ikea (something I regard as positive), nice people, well educated engineers. Ok, and worst plumbers in the western world.

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Posted by clawson: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 10:13 AM

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no Ikea

Guess again - guess who's about to open a superstore near Dublin airport:

http://ikea.ie/

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Posted by leon_heller: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 12:04 PM

What's wrong with IKEA? They sell very nice meatballs in their cafes and the furniture is good value for money.

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Posted by ArnoldB: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 05:28 PM

clawson wrote:

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no Ikea

Guess again - guess who's about to open a superstore near Dublin airport:

http://ikea.ie/

W-T-F? Wasn't there a law in Ireland limiting the amount of floor space a store was allowed to have? And wasn't Ikea always claiming that the maximum allowed floor space was below the minimum require floor space for a profitable Ikea?

So, who gave in? Let me guess, it wasn't the one with the deep blue/yellow pockets?

leon_heller wrote:

What's wrong with IKEA? They sell very nice meatballs in their cafes and the furniture is good value for money.

Their furniture is definitely wrong. The Ikea of today isn't the Ikea of the past.

They have turned to "cardboard" furniture. Take this for example: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalo...

Quote:

Basematerial: Particleboard, Fibreboard
Filling material: Paper
Shelf: Particleboard
Top frame: Clear acrylic lacquer

Waste paper, stuffed between shredded and glued together pieces of whatever particles/fibres - the board "may contain traces of wood" (my claim, not theirs).

Then they have been accused a few times that they, lets say "duplicated" someones design, without paying the original designer a dime. Sound's familiar? We all don't like our electronic design be copied, do we? Why should it be OK for furniture?

And regarding the meatballs. Well, standardized convenience food, heated up in a controlled procedure at the shop restaurants.

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Posted by clawson: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 05:40 PM

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Wasn't there a law in Ireland limiting the amount of floor space a store was allowed to have?

There was (which is why there weren't any large DIY superstores either) but the law preventing it has been put aside (wonder how many palms were greased to persuade that to happen? ;-))

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 06:12 PM

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leon_heller wrote:
What's wrong with IKEA? They sell very nice meatballs in their cafes and the furniture is good value for money.
Their furniture is definitely wrong. The Ikea of today isn't the Ikea of the past.
[/quote
Having been exposed to IKEA furniture since circa 1970 I can concur on the statement "The Ikea of today isn't the Ikea of the past". I guesss the difference in opinion here is of it has gotten better or worse. I'd go for slightly better, overall. IKEA has made huge improvements in some aspects since the eighties. Nowadays it is very rare that you hump those brown parcels home only to find that there is one nut missing. The late seventies and eighties where the dark ages of IKEA. OTOH I still have the desk (office quality) from circa 1980 in very good shape for its age.

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They have turned to "cardboard" furniture. Take this for example: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalo...

Only goes to prove that you get what you pay for.

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Posted by leon_heller: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 06:39 PM

I haven't bought anything from IKEA for over 10 years and it was quite good then. I've still got some of it. I remember being stuck behind some people in the queue once and they seemed to be furnishing an entire house.

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Posted by truhlik_fredy: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 07:04 PM

ArnoldB wrote:

Having worked in Ireland a few times I really don't see the guy's problem. Good food, good beer, no Ikea (something I regard as positive), nice people, well educated engineers. Ok, and worst plumbers in the western world.

WTF? Plumbers? Perhaps you had just experience with plumbers, did you saw the electrical masterpieces in the houses? Good food? Jeasus.

Ok I even that was true. What that all has something with distribution of electronic parts.

And I could order from slovakia, but it's now like when I was there, If I needed some parts very fast I had them in 15minutes, delivery from sos was I think for 3euro and took about 3 days for bigger orders (inside country). For example Giga is charging 18euro, what is the difference, what is the problem? If I need just 2x mega32 and 5xmega8, sorry I don't need now 50pieces and I don't want to wait and don't want paid double prices just because of postages even when week after that I will make another order for 100x of leds.

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Posted by JohanEkdahl: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 07:53 PM

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And I could order from slovakia, but it's now like when I was there, If I needed some parts very fast I had them in 15minutes, delivery from sos was I think for 3euro and took about 3 days [...]

Are we comparing
- ordering from Slovakia to Ireland with ordering from Slovakia to Slovakia, or
- ordering from Slovakia to Ireland with ordering from EBay to Ireland
?

I thought it was the latter. Of course ordering from Slovakia will not be the same as when you where there, but thats not the point. Will ordering from Slovakia be better than ordering something from an Ebay seller where you are now?

You yourself asked (at least implicitly) about other possible sources:

Quote:

Should I forget the whole ebay and get from serious source?

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Posted by ArnoldB: Wed. Jun 3, 2009 - 11:27 PM

truhlik_fredy wrote:

WTF? Plumbers? Perhaps you had just experience with plumbers, did you saw the electrical masterpieces in the houses?

Always had a few spare fuses ready, because the circuit breakers didn't break, but the fuses in front of them liked to do so when one of the electrical heater decided to draw a few more amps.

truhlik_fredy wrote:

Good food? Jeasus.

Sure, avoid the tourist spots. Anyway, I can cook and I always got fresh quality stuff if I was looking for ingredients.

But serious, if you don't like it there, leave. No need to waste your live in an country you don't like.

truhlik_fredy wrote:

Ok I even that was true. What that all has something with distribution of electronic parts.

Most here see it as a no-event.

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Posted by truhlik_fredy: Thu. Jun 4, 2009 - 06:06 PM

Ok guys , back to topic.
Will start to getting the thing from distributors again.
Digikey is sending thing to Ireland for 18euro and when order is over 65euro then it's free.

But anybody who has Dragon is satisfied with it?
I looked that perhaps it's will need little bit soldering, but that is ok.