Atmel XPlain board

Go To Last Post
171 posts / 0 new
Author
Message
#1
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I have an Atmel evaluation board named "Xplain" with an XMega128, SDRAM, AT90USB1287 and a USB connector, but I can't find any driver for this. It enumerates a "serial port" and a "programmer port" on USB. Does anybody know, where to get the required drivers? Thanks.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I think many of us would be interested in seeing a picture of this board, and a further explanation of any markings on it. How did you come across it?

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I got that board from an Atmel/MSC Xmega seminar. I have attached a picture.

Attachment(s): 

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

That is cool. Not many Xmega pins brought out. It appears that the circled header is JTAG?

I can't find any references to anything "plain" regarding Xmega on Atmel's site.

No reference CD provided at the seminar?

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
It appears that the circled header is JTAG?
And is it the 1.27mm (0.50") spacing rather than the usual 0.1"?

...and why did I not get one? :evil: ...oh wait we never got the Xmega seminars here.. :(

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Yeah, looks like a cool board, I really would have liked to get one of those.
Oh well, we got the STK-600 instead on our X-seminars, so I guess I can't complain.

/Jesper
http://www.yampp.com
The quick black AVR jumped over the lazy PIC.
What boots up, must come down.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Want...one...today. Want...one...today. Want...one...today. Want...one...today. Want...one...

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

You note something? This thing has mounting holes, MOUNTING HOLES! Four! In the right places!

Stealing Proteus doesn't make you an engineer.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

The USB is connected to the AT90USB128, next to the xmega part. (I think) I'm still looking into the board.
Matt

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Quote:
This thing has mounting holes

Wow, someone really screwed up


And they are marked "GND", so presumably connected to the ground plane. Double screw-up. ;)

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

You note something? This thing has mounting holes

One bonus point for each one of us that nagged, and nagged, and nagged...

Jesper! When was that seminar, and where? And how was it announced? I totally missed out on that... :cry:

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

It was in Stockholm, April 4.
It was announced through Atmel distributor Acte, as usual. They sent out emails, but I think they missed a lot of people. The seminar was all full anyway though.

/Jesper
http://www.yampp.com
The quick black AVR jumped over the lazy PIC.
What boots up, must come down.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I just wish that Atmel would have a seminar in Cincinnati. The closest always seems to be at least a days drive from here.

But that does look like a pretty nice board. I wonder when it will be available, and what the cost will be?

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

A co-worker of mine went to the Dallas, Tx. seminar.
http://www.atmel.com/corporate/M...
Matt

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Here's an install file for the USB. It will install both as serial ports. The "Serial port" is connected to the Xmega and works with baudrate 9600, 8-N-1 at least. The "Programmer port" doesn't do anything yet I guess.

The serial port gateway works with the USARTC0 in the Xmega. It also might be necessary to apply 2 hotfixes for Windows (KB935892 and KB918365) if you do not have SP3 for XP.:wink:

-----

Attachment(s): 

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

microcarl wrote:
I just wish that Atmel would have a seminar in Cincinnati. The closest always seems to be at least a days drive from here.
And at least two day's drive from Denver. *waah!* :cry:

Dang, I'd love one of those. We're now starting up a project that is targeting one of the Xmega128 series (hopefully the A4 if it's out and available). It would have been nice to play with the series before committing to a board. Well, PCBExpress can give us a quick dev board I guess. :(

Stu

Edit 1: PS: Would have been nice to get a little experience with the AVR32 as well. *sigh* :?

Engineering seems to boil down to: Cheap. Fast. Good. Choose two. Sometimes choose only one.

Newbie? Be sure to read the thread Newbie? Start here!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Do you think it was a short run? You'd think it would be obtainable in some fashion like the Butterfly and other "giveaways".

Stu--I plan to do the STK600 route but the adapter plate has been out of stock for quite some time.

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

cool! Is ATMEL really starting to add mounting holes to their boards or did they just messed up with the design and drilled out four misplaced and confidential components...?

And I wish they had more seminars here too... would really like to attend one near Tallinn (or Helsinki maybe?)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hope, there no chips on there produce smoke like the dragon.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

its a cool board ... we here at india never get many seminors and the things are changing .... hope we get seminors from atmel soon :D

change without any change is no change ;-)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

theusch wrote:
Stu--I plan to do the STK600 route but the adapter plate has been out of stock for quite some time.
Originally, so had I. The project that we're looking at has kind of "come out of nowhere" and the decision to go to the XMega was very recent so I have not had the chance to pre-plan as much as I would have liked.

Oh well.

Stu

Engineering seems to boil down to: Cheap. Fast. Good. Choose two. Sometimes choose only one.

Newbie? Be sure to read the thread Newbie? Start here!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I was at the MCU live in Irvine, and got this board. They came with a "drum set" code on them. Apparently, the xmega128A1 has been in "full production" for 2 weeks. I haven't tried a distributor yet. Also, they said there will be some new code out that will setup programming via the USB interface. Note, the connector in the upper right, near LED4 is the JTAG port.
Guess I'll finally break down and get a programmer. MK2 or ONE... hmm
Oh, we got a set of files for the STK600, but don't know if we can really share. 8)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Did you get the sourcecode of the demo "drum set" firmware?

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

pykedgew wrote:
Hope, there no chips on there produce smoke like the dragon.
Dragons are supposed to breathe fire!

/Jesper
http://www.yampp.com
The quick black AVR jumped over the lazy PIC.
What boots up, must come down.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Why havent I seen those down here in Florida? Those Atmel guys really have some Xplainin to do.

Imagecraft compiler user

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
Dragons are supposed to breathe fire!

Yeah, but they fart smoke.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Very cool! Haven't seen that board before either... looks like it could be sold pretty cheaply though, always a bonus!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Unfortunately, I didn't receive the source code for the drum set program. I was entertaining to play with during the seminar though. You could do a nice "ba dum bum" like someone told a bad joke.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Micavr,

Very cool board.

As already noted, I'm delighted to see mounting holes on it.

Any idea how many layers it is?

JC

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Looks cool, I need one for sure. Can the Atmel give-away start now please? :D
/Lars

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Nice looking board. The chips are reasonable for the features.

– Four-channel DMA Controller with support for external requests
– Eight-channel Event System
– Eight 16-bit Timer/Counters
Four Timer/Counters with 4 Output Compare or Input Capture channels
Four Timer/Counters with 2 Output Compare or Input Capture channels
High-Resolution Extension on all Timer/Counters
Advanced Waveform Extension on two Timer/Counters
– Eight USARTs
IrDA modulation/demodulation for one USART
– Four Two-Wire Interfaces with dual address match (I2C and SMBus compatible)
– Four SPI (Serial Peripheral Interface) peripherals
– AES and DES Crypto Engine
– 16-bit Real Time Counter with separate Oscillator
– Two Eight-channel, 12-bit, 2 Msps Analog to Digital Converters
– Two Two-channel, 12-bit, 1 Msps Digital to Analog Converters
– Four Analog Comparators with Window compare function
– External Interrupts on all General Purpose I/O pins
– Programmable Watchdog Timer with Separate On-chip Ultra Low Power Oscillator

Mike Coles http://blips.net
'bluelip' http://diyaday.com

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
Eight USARTs
I love that. One cannot have too many USARTS. I need one (or 2) more in a M88. :?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hi,

I just got one of theme Xplain boards at an Atmel seminar hosted by Arrow in Vancouver BC region. It is a cool board but very little info available when you google on "xplain". Here is how the Atmel FAE "xplain"'d it to us.

1. The board is an Atmel eval board / tool so even though it is bit of a mystery today, I think it will become very popular like the butterfly
2. The HW was ready before the SW and doc.
3. The USB port will eventually have a driver released for it. Until then, it is just for power.
4. The Xplain schematics, code examples, etc are all emailed to attendees of seminars afterwards so make sure you fill out the card and include your email. If you missed that then contact the Atmel FAE who gave the seminar you attended.
5. It will all be on their web site, eventually, hopefully before the end of March '09

So this device has two 128k devices on it. One is the USB family the other is the new XMEGA family. The USB will eventually host the programmer for the XMEGA so that you can evaluate the XMEGA without need for any tools other than the Xplain. This works perfect for Atmel seminars more dedicated to XMEGA. (The seminar I attended **introduced** the XMEGA but also covered new ARM family members and really cool stuff from their capacitive touch products).

... and yup! there are mounting holes!

The new XMEGAs are really cool...

1. AVR core
2. New generation peripherals
3. Consistent register / I/O address space map among the whole XMEGA family to make porting from device to device much simpler
4. Multi priority / preemptive interrupt scheme which means you could have low priority for a micro kernel scheduler / context switching but still have high priority interrupts (e.g. for PWM control) serviced with low latency
5. DMA - just plain cool
6. Events - super cool

Events are like interrupts except that they can be routed directly from peripheral to peripheral (including triggering DMA). For example, a timer could be routed to trigger an ADC acquisition which when complete could trigger DMA transfer to memory. The CPU could be doing something else (less CPU usage) or be asleep (less power consumption).

OK so I'll have to try it out to not just take the sales pitch at face value, but at first glance, it does look pretty cool - especially for an 8 bit micro controller.

Regards,

Darcy

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Can someone pleeeez send me the original firmware on the AT90USB1287 and the Xmega? I tried to upload the 'latest' version for my board (downloaded from Atmel) but alas, it doesn't work (anyone else had this issue? - HW revision 1). I also overwrote my USB firmware in an attempt to get it to work again. I'm hoping the fuse bits aren't set so it can be read out of the devices.

Greg

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I...want...one...today... Just to burn more brain cells (probably the last remaining ones): does this board have a nice amount of external RAM? SDRAM, DRAM or SRAM? How many ports are routed out of it through pin headers (not many, as Lee Theusch pointed out, since it has external memory interfaced)? Can someone post a little bit more about the board features, not Xmega ones (easy to obtain from datsheets)?

Is there the PDM (or whatever is called now) interface or is the JTAG one?

Guillem.
"Common sense is the least common of the senses" Anonymous.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

There are headers for Ports A and B of the xmega, and JTAG headers for both the xmega and the usb1287. The JTAG header for the xmega can also be used to program via PDI. Both the SDRAM and the dataflash are 8MB.

A pdf on it is here.

Regards,
Steve A.

The Board helps those that help themselves.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

I...want...one...today...

:(
Quote:
The Xplain kit is not available for sale. It has been promoted and used at events hosted by Atmel and Atmel's distributors and representatives.

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/product...
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/product...

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
The Xplain kit is not available for sale.

Well, now I want one twice as much. Only if it were suddenly also obsolete would I want one more.

No, I guess non-RoHS would add some desire, too.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hmmm, no takers? Has anyone successfully 'upgraded' their version 1 Xplain dev boards using the AVR1907 firmware? I reflashed mine using the revision_2 firmware, then realized my mistake but no AT90USB firmware exists in revision_1 directory! Tut tut.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Has anyone successfully 'upgraded' their version 1 Xplain dev boards

I think more to the point your question might be "is anyone else actually lucky enough to have got hold of an Xplain board?"

(which probably explains the lack of answers)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Would this be a nice time for Atmel to again demonstrate their eternal generosity and pass a few of these out to their loyal fan base?

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Agreed. I would like to start playing with xmegas, but I'm not going to buy an STK600 until I know that xmegas (and the adapter boards) are in good supply.

Regards,
Steve A.

The Board helps those that help themselves.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

XMegae certainly look exciting and I would buy an Xplain board if I could find one. Any idea whether Atmel will make them generally available?

David

Dr. David Harris OpenLCB Development Team openlcb.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Any idea whether Atmel will make them generally available?

The same day that Santa, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny form the next council of the UN perhaps?

(by the way, put me down for one if Atmel give them away free - experience shows it never hurts to get your name mentioned in a thread like this! ;) )

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Well, it's all a bit depressing really. When the Xmega was first released I was so enthusiastic about it. It was the answer to number of requirements that I had, it still is. But where the heck is it?

Atmel seemed to have possibly mastered the art of underwhelming a product at the same time as shooting themselves in the foot! If there has been an Atmel or Atmel/Arrow seminar on the Xmega here in Toronto then they did such a good job of promoting it that I heard nothing about it.

Then we hear that they have this Xplain board, but even long time large Atmel clients don't seem to get told about it.

I would love to go to an Xmega seminar - even if I have to buy the Xplain board, but has anybody seen just how many seminars Atmel have planned for this year? One series on Windows CE, and that is it. Sorry guys, I already did one of those.

I'm with you David (dpharris), Atmel have the Xplain, they give them away at seminars, but then don't hold the seminars and taunt us with documents on their website. Just sell the darned thing guys and we can find out what an Xmega can do for us.

JD

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I wonder how many that received the Raven freebee actually went and did something with it or is it just like some of the other little goodies sitting in the drawer with all the other knick knacks collecting dust.

I think when you actually put some money down on something that the 'real' value comes to bear. Yeah it's great getting something for nothing but I always enjoy the things that I felt that were 'earned'.

But yes "why can't this be 'bought' by a 'freak' "?

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

torontotech wrote:
Atmel seemed to have possibly mastered the art of underwhelming a product at the same time as shooting themselves in the foot!
I think Atmels best stunt is they won awards and recognitions for the xmega

The Hot 100 Electronic Products of 2008 http://www.edn.com/article/CA662...

2008 Product of the Year Award Winners http://www2.electronicproducts.c...

Atmel's AVR XMEGA Wins EDN China Innovation Award http://www.reuters.com/article/p...

And they are on the short list for another:

EDN’s 2008 Innovation Award finalists http://www.edn.com/article/CA663...

Now you know where all the "available now" xmegas went. To journalists. The guys at EDN probably got a whole year's yield of xmegas to thoroughly research and evaluate them. Why else should they be so excited about them? No journalist writes about something he or she hasn't thoroughly researched and understood :twisted:

Stealing Proteus doesn't make you an engineer.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

@Digitool: I was one of the lucky Raven freebee winners, and I have it on the drawer, completely stopped. One reason is that when I began to play with it, I had the JTAG MkII from my previous job. Now, working in another company where no AVR's are present, and my JTAG is a MkI clone, I can' work with it. Even with a Dragon, there is no way to program M1284 (nice piece of silicon, BTW, that is also hard to find).

If I had an Xplain board or I finally finish to develop a little Xmega dev board (probably intended for robotics), then I would have an excuse to buy a JTAG MkII, but given the overall situation, the little girl wouldn't allow to buy anything more now.

Another backdraw of the Raven Kit, is that it has two uC, and it could be difficult for many people to play even with one. Yes, M3290 is programmable 'over the air', but many users didn't want to use Raven this way. In fact, I heard of many guys more interested in a RF module, with only the RF transceiver, antenna, and little more, that could be plugged to any board, like STK500, or to their mobile robots, or to their PIC's, or to any uC.

The lack of Xmegas available is a good excuse to many companies to develop their new projects with other uC, name them ARM's, PIC's, Frescales, Renesas, or whatever, but not Atmel.

I'm pretty shure that many advanced robotics fans that grown up with Arduino will be really pleased to play with Xmegas, given the 'fear' that ARM's induce to them. This community has the potential to feed industry with prepared engineers.

BTW, in Spain, there is an old saying: "Dime de que presumes, y te diré de que careces". More or less (my english is purely technical,though) 'Tell me what are you proud of, and I will tell you what do you lack'. Apply it to Xmegas/Atmel.

Guillem.
"Common sense is the least common of the senses" Anonymous.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Well, I'm one of the guilty ones who received a RAven and didn't do much with it.

But the XPlain is different in that way, as I'm playing with audio apps on te AVR right now. And from the specs I've seen they look like they could really shine in an audio-type application, what with the built-in ADC and DAC, and DMA.

So I'll put my entry in here for an XPlain board....

Atmel - come to your senses before Microchip starts after you again!!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

[rant]
I don't want to help hijack this thread into a Raven discussion, but those of us with Ravens in a drawer are not at fault here. I slammed my head into that thing for longer than I care to mention. All you have to do is look at one little fact: the Raven has a microphone and a speaker. Last time I looked (probably 6-months ago) no one anywhere had posted a bootloadable project to use the Raven to record and playback sound. And I posted a simple request to a number of places: can anyone give me a simple example of how to write an LED blink program in AVRStudio and then send it to the Ravens microcontroller bootloader that is connected to the digital I/O and have it then blink an LED? Should anything be simpler? And yet, where is the example of how to do either? I estimated it would take me 3 months to fully master the Raven, speculating that everything would work, but with no proof. And since there weren't even the simplest application examples available, I chose not to risk the time investment.

The Butterfly was brilliant and very popular, but they can't seem to manufacture them anymore. They seem to have a formula to calculate the Butterfly delivery date: 'the date I ask the question' + '8 weeks'. They have been following this formula since the Buttefly went AWOL last fall.

So you want an Xplain board? Ha! dream on. Maybe the Xmega will be worth the wait when it finally comes limping out of the starting gate, but I personally would think myself a fool if I used it in a design right now.

And I'm not talking out of school hear, I've contacted everybody I could get hold of at Atmel over the Butterfly and Raven issues, and all I've gotten are polite runarounds. There is something really bad going on in Atmel right now and as bad as Microchip hurt them with all the FUD, they have hurt themselves worse by not coming clean or at least providing the honest answer to most questions related to both Xmega and development tool production, which would be "I don't know and honestly won't have the time to find out for the indefinite future, I'm so inundated with work right now that all I can say is email me again in a month, and if I know anything then, I'll tell you."

Maybe this is something cultural. I remember twenty years ago having to work with some Japanese engineers and being warned not to ask them any question that they might have to say no to because their cultural will not allow them to say no. I got frustrated at one point and asked point blank, "Will you or will you not be able to deliver the product in three months?" There actually was a gasp at the table. Later I got yelled at and the company that I was working for went under since the product was not delivered by the time we thought we were promised to receive it. I'm supposed to respect their culture? IMHO they were a bunch of mealy-mouthed cowards and the only way to work with them is to see the full production piled up on palettes before committing to a delivery date.

If I seem excessively angry, it is because I am losing sleep trying to make up for commitments I've made based on false information given to me by some folks in Atmel. And I'm angry at myself since this exact thing happened to me with those Japanese engineers and the shit-birds at Motorola (and a few other cases) AND I FAILED TO LEARN THE LESSON! DON'T BELIEVE THE LYING BASTARDS ON DELIVERY DATES! Wait till you have the actual product in hand BEFORE designing it into anything. And never ever ever allow their reps and FAEs to visit you, even if they offer donuts. Those guys don't know what is going on and will lure you into the abyss.
[/rant]

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Like others I was excited when I received the Raven, did all those few things I could do with it and then waited for some easy way of using the technology in my products....still waiting. :( All I really wanted was a way of sending USART data wirelessly. So it is now sitting on the shelf (rather then the drawer)...still waiting.

On the other hand the gift of the Dragon has been thoroughly used and still is and have been glad to help others with some of the earlier issues.

Would I use a Xplain board? Certailnly, I would take it for a spin, build some personal libraries and get to know the chip.

Would I use an Xmega in a design? Not likeley in the foreseeable future, for the same reason I would not use a ARM or U32, apart from the unreliable supply I don't have a "need for speed", most of my stuff has an 8MHZ Xtal, some 4 MHz, one with 16MHz just to try it out, a few with 14.7xMHz.

If and when the Xmega supercedes the Mega/Tiny series and the price is similar or better (the way it happened with the older 90Sxx series) then yes. Unfortunately, as I have mentioned before, I don't see any pin compatible devices to the Mega/Tiny and this brings back sad memories of Motorola's dumping the HC05/HC11 series for the HC08/HC12 which, in the same fashion, did not provide pin compatibility with billion of chips that were used. :(

If this was to happen with Atmel I would consider going to the Pxx.. :shock:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Please, Xplain

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Unfortunately, I am reminded of the old truism ... "Actions speak louder than words".

I agree it is very difficult to be confident if promises are broken. There must be some really bad things happening inside the organisation.

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

ArnoldB wrote:
torontotech wrote:
Atmel seemed to have possibly mastered the art of underwhelming a product at the same time as shooting themselves in the foot!
I think Atmels best stunt is they won awards and recognitions for the xmega

Now you know where all the "available now" xmegas went. To journalists. The guys at EDN probably got a whole year's yield of xmegas to thoroughly research and evaluate them. Why else should they be so excited about them? No journalist writes about something he or she hasn't thoroughly researched and understood :twisted:

Yet when we read the stuff from the journalists and analyse it carefully we see a strange similarity between the words in the Atmel blurbs and documentation, and the articles in the press. Perhaps I get a little cynical because I know too much about how the journalists actually work. The reality is they don't have time to actually play with the stuff. They get the board or chips from the manufacturer along with the "media kit" and their articles or prize nominations are based on 30 minutes with the pile of stuff.

In the current media there are maybe a handful, well, maybe slightly more than a handful, of technical writers who actually do anything with the boards or chips they get. Much of the time all they do is fire up the board and follow the tutorials for an hour or so.

But it is not happy journalists that make or break a company. It is happy users. For years we built products using Intel CPU's. When they dropped their 8032/8051 family we had to go through the trouble of qualifying other manufacturers. After a lot of trouble we did it and some of those units are still in production. But a couple of years ago now they dropped all the x86 embedded processors - and they left us with no alternative source. So do you think we use Intel any more? Get me angry once and I can forgive you, but do it again and I will forget you. So now we use Altera FPGA's and NIOS-II softcore processors instead of Intel.

In my $job we also use some Microchip parts. Why? Because every technician in the place has played with them and they know them. Microchip did an excellent job of selling an inferior product and it has paid off.All we had to do was mention to the Microchip distributor that we were interested and all of the development kits we needed turned up. So the boys start playing and it ends up in a 4 design win within a year.

If the Atmel guys had done the same with something that supported the AT90CAN parts then the win would most likely have been theirs. But maybe 20-30,000 pieces per year over at least 10 years or more possibly doesn't mean much to Atmel. At least that is what their attitude says.

As somebody has said elsewhere in this thread, "actions speak louder than words" or as my wife says "it is all very well to talk the talk, but to be taken seriously you must walk the walk". Right now it is hard to take Atmel too seriously.

In April 2007 Atmel announced they had licensed the ARM11 core. First parts were due to be released in Q4/07. As of today? Well, a promise last year when I had a slot open for a new big processor that the ARM11 was imminent. The Atmel ARM9's just didn't have the horsepower for the job so Freescale won that design (5,000/yr) with a PowerPC and now they have the mortgage on three other designs as well.

Only three days ago one client who uses ATmega parts suggested that the ATmega's are too small for one job where he uses probably only 200-250 pieces per month. He was interested in the AVR32, my worry right now is that with Atmel's track record, can I rely on a sole-sourced Atmel architecture? The job cannot stand the price of an ARM-9, so right now the AVR32 is looking good, but I haven't cast off the thoughts of an FPGA with NIOS-II core for the job. At least Altera never seem to offer me vapour-ware, they have always delivered.

Your depressed observer!
John

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

torontotech wrote:
Yet when we read the stuff from the journalists and analyse it carefully we see a strange similarity between the words in the Atmel blurbs and documentation, and the articles in the press. Perhaps I get a little cynical
No, you don't.
Quote:
because I know too much about how the journalists actually work. The reality is they don't have time to actually play with the stuff. They get the board or chips from the manufacturer along with the "media kit" and their articles or prize nominations are based on 30 minutes with the pile of stuff.
A know a journalist who claims that the going rate for convincing the majority of journalists in his line of work (not technical) to write a piece is a good lunch.

Stealing Proteus doesn't make you an engineer.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
I know a journalist who claims that the going rate for convincing the majority of journalists in his line of work (not technical) to write a piece is a good lunch.

Isn't that why they have hospitality suites at conventions etc? So the journalists can forget just how bad the lunch was?

JD

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Ummm. I think Atmel is doing very good things technically, and the XMegas are very sweet chips, a nice boost of horsepower and set of features. But they may miss the boat if they are not available quite soon.

Lots of announcements:
- Atmel's Low-cost CAP Starter Kit Hosts Image Viewer Reference Design From PGC
- Atmel Corporation Launches Ultra Wideband Evaluation Kit For CAP Customizable Microcontroller
- Atmel Corporation and IS2T Announce Java Support For AVR32 UC3 Flash Microcontrollers
- Atmel Corporation Launches AT91CAP9HA-DK Development Kit
- Atmel Corporation And TazTag Collaborate To Offer First Secure NFC Electronic Wallet

...etc, but its not translating to an improved share price :-(

Still I stay optimistic, I like their products.

David

Dr. David Harris OpenLCB Development Team openlcb.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Here's some optimism:

Bitcloud on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b...

:-)

David

Dr. David Harris OpenLCB Development Team openlcb.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

OK all you poms!

Time to dust off your wallets and spring for 49 quid and attend the upcoming ArrowUK seminar. (Free STK600 plus XPlain board and .... lunch).

https://www.avrfreaks.net/modules...

I guess a free airfare is out of the question?

Hey Nard ... you could fly over the channel for the day.

Cheers,

Ross

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
Time to dust off your wallets and spring for 49 quid and attend the upcoming ArrowUK seminar. (Free STK600 plus XPlain board and .... lunch).
How about if I mail a check (obviously American, from the spelling) and a photo instead of attending? Does that get me a couple of boards and a meal ticket?

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Chuck,

With your Avitar as posted you will only need to send your check.

Me, I guess I'll have to send both.

Maybe we can get a remote lunch table together in the US.

JC

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

From the sounds of some, you might be able to make a pretty penny selling the free goods that Atmel will toss your way at the seminar.

Mike Coles http://blips.net
'bluelip' http://diyaday.com

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I'm sure that there are plenty of street bums that we could hire to be our proxies :) Anyone over there want to organize it?

Regards,
Steve A.

The Board helps those that help themselves.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

I'm sure that there are plenty of street bums that we could hire to be our proxies

OK, so you give the street bum the 49 quid to attend the seminar, so that you could then
Quote:
make a pretty penny selling the free goods
.

If you try that in south Jersey, A) How many of those diligent employees will find a better use for the 49 quid before attending the seminar? and B) How many of the remainder wouldn't be smart enough to realize that >>they<< could be making the pretty penny reselling the "free" merchandise?

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Perhaps an easier way of purchasing a Xplain board could be found?

David
PS -- Youtube video showing STK600 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...

Dr. David Harris OpenLCB Development Team openlcb.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

zbaird wrote:
Quote:
Time to dust off your wallets and spring for 49 quid and attend the upcoming ArrowUK seminar. (Free STK600 plus XPlain board and .... lunch).
How about if I mail a check (obviously American, from the spelling) and a photo instead of attending? Does that get me a couple of boards and a meal ticket?

Speaking of street bums and mailing a check, doesn't Cliff have a large extended family that can sign up and then he can mail the goodies? lol

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hey, that's my video from when the first STK600 got out into the wild (by a curious coincidence it was when I passed the 10,000 post mark here - soon to pass 20,000 - wonder what I get this time ;-) )

I thought about attending the £49 event just to get another STK600 (I gave that first one away) so I could run a competition or something to give it away - but sadly I cannot take the day off to attend the event.

Cliff

PS Actually if I had an Xmega with the STK600 I might have a quick "play" first in fact!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

zbaird wrote:
How about if I mail a check (obviously American, from the spelling) and a photo instead of attending? Does that get me a couple of boards and a meal ticket?

No, it gets you a >>picture<< of a couple of boards and the meal ticket. :twisted:

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
OK, so you give the street bum the 49 quid to attend the seminar,

Of course I would pre-register them to avoid this.

Quote:
How many of the remainder wouldn't be smart enough to realize that >>they<< could be making the pretty penny reselling the "free" merchandise?

And of course a suitable interview process would be in order :)

Regards,
Steve A.

The Board helps those that help themselves.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

This is getting too complicated. Can't we just bribe Cliff or David Prentice or Leon or Neil or John B?

[I suppose I should find out if ArrowUSA will have an upcoming series...]

[[The value of the freebies is 150 pounds, right? Farnell sells the STK600 base kit for 162 pounds. Therefore, the market value of the Xplain is -12 pounds; about US$20. Probably an appropriate value for something that cannot be purchased. Or does that make it "price-less"?]]

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
or Leon
NOPE, he is out...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
the market value of the Xplain is -12 pounds

OK, so one of you Brits send me your Xplain board and 12 pounds and we'll call it even.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

clawson wrote:
Hey, that's my video from when the first STK600 got out into the wild (by a curious coincidence it was when I passed the 10,000 post mark here - soon to pass 20,000 - wonder what I get this time ;-) )


My guess is Xplain board or the ever elusive avr one ;-)

change without any change is no change ;-)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

theusch wrote:
This is getting too complicated. Can't we just bribe Cliff or David Prentice or Leon or Neil or John B?

[I suppose I should find out if ArrowUSA will have an upcoming series...]

[[The value of the freebies is 150 pounds, right? Farnell sells the STK600 base kit for 162 pounds. Therefore, the market value of the Xplain is -12 pounds; about US$20. Probably an appropriate value for something that cannot be purchased. Or does that make it "price-less"?]]

Lee


Hey! Are you talking about me? I'm already attending! Mainly for the Xplain PCB, I went to one Xmega workshop last year, got a "free" STK600 with a bunch of the adapter boards, a sample Xmega128 AND a JTAG ICE(that workshop cost a bit more than £49) . Sadly, apart from when I was at the workshop, I haven't had time to play yet. Even more sadly, none of the products I develop have the JTAG pins available! Maybe one day...

Four legs good, two legs bad, three legs stable.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
Even more sadly, none of the products I develop have the JTAG pins available!

You know the rule about new toys - once you have it, you've got to figure out a way to use it, even if you don't need to ;-)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Hey! Are you talking about me? I'm already attending!

THAT'S what I'm talking about. How big is your extended family, and how many want to go with you for the free lunch? lol

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

theusch wrote:
Quote:

Hey! Are you talking about me? I'm already attending!

THAT'S what I'm talking about. How big is your extended family, and how many want to go with you for the free lunch? lol

Lee


My extended family is fairly huge, but since my wife is American, and one of ten, and her father was one of seventeen, the vast majority of my extended family is on your side of the pond. Sorry.
Maybe I'll see what can be achieved by bribery(no, not him - offering money).

Four legs good, two legs bad, three legs stable.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

(no, not him - offering money)

LOL!!! I had to read that about 3 times before it sunk in that it was a mention of my favourite 'Freak.

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Is there any chance someone could post the schematic here (or send it to me via email)? I know that it's confidential, and that atmel doesn't want people to see functional design examples, but I'm just the bad sort of person, who wishes to fiendishly copy parts of the schematic, rather than just try and fail.

There are pointy haired bald people.
Time flies when you have a bad prescaler selected.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
Is there any chance someone could post the schematic here

The XPlain schematic is included in the AVR1907 zip download on Atmel's website.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Thanks! Sorry, I was looking for it in the PDFs. Thanks again.

There are pointy haired bald people.
Time flies when you have a bad prescaler selected.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I have uploaded the Rev2 AT90USB1287.hex hoping that this would provide the USART bridge for the xmega.

Now the XPLAIN board does not even enumerate for the FLIP driver, let alone as a COM device.

Has anyone succeeded in getting the XPLAIN to evaluate the USART ?

Or perhaps they have read the original USB1287 code to a hex file that I must have overwritten.

Otherwise I suppose that the only way to use the USART is via the "tapping points" on the underside of the board.

David.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Looks very interesting. I haven't been to a sales type of seminar for ages, but if they hold one here I'd consider it to get my hands on one of these.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

David,

I had the xplain USB working using CVAVR V2 USART C0 example.
I added a printf in the main loop "working.. ". I found that characters were often dropped.

I also changed to revision_2 for possible improvement, now all is broke. Then I googled and found your post. Well you were ahead of me. Like you, I then discovered no rev 1.

It all starts with a mental vision.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I know it's an old post, but went to a seminar 2 days ago where they told us we can buy the Xplain AND the Touch Xplained board (with their cool QTouch stuff on it)

US$29.00 for Xplain
US$17.00 for Touch Xplained

Am placing my order when the rep is back on Monday :D
All of this it through Braemac in Australia

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

oh well, sorry guys :)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Well, the prices are new, and quite reasonable imo.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

well it includes;
xmega128A1
at90usb1287
8M data flash
8M SDRAM
Audio Driver + speaker
and those are just the big parts. On top of that's there's the switches, leds, regulator etc etc
I doubt the parts could be bought for any less at 1 off quantity

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I agree, single quantities:

xmega128a1: $8
at90usb1287: $15
AT45DB642D-TU (8MB flash): $6
MT48LC16M4A2TG (8MB sram): $5.60
TPA0253DGQR (1W audio amp): $1.50
NDT-03C (smd speaker): $4
LMS8117 (3v3 linear reg): $1

$41

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

nedward wrote:
I know it's an old post, but went to a seminar 2 days ago where they told us we can buy the Xplain AND the Touch Xplained board (with their cool QTouch stuff on it)

US$29.00 for Xplain
US$17.00 for Touch Xplained

Am placing my order when the rep is back on Monday :D
All of this it through Braemac in Australia

WHAT!?!
Where else? Any sources outside Australia? And why doesn't Googling on this topic bring up any sales source and why doesn't the Atmel website (at least from my searches) have any links?

[edit]Just searched on the Braemac website, also no hits. What am I missing here?[/edit]

Smiley

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
What am I missing here?
The fact that the boads are being made still and not available for a few weeks (months??).

Also I think that they will be on a pre-purchase base rather that a stock item. We place the orders in OZ\NZ then there will be a qty buy through Braemac and eventually get them. Keep in mind tha lucky US citizens attending the seminars got one each for free from what I understand.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Jonathan Mitchel (product and application manager) from Braemac said he has a bunch in transit right now so be in quick (but leave a couple for me!)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Okay, so they are NOT available for ordinary mortals at the moment but are assured to be on their way. Is this deju vu or what?

BTW, I don't want one, as in a single board, I want to know that they are really shipping and can be had by any old Joe off the self from some more or less reliable source. I'd like to write about this thing, but I'm not willing to go out on a limb until I'm convinced that the limb is not just some dark limb shaped bit of smoke coming out of a hole in the tree trunk. Let's see, Atmel is the tree, and I'm a squirrel and um... yeah, its late here.

Smiley

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

$29 for an XPLAIN board sounds an excellent deal.

It would be even better if the board actually available to mortals.

And if the bootloader/USART bridge works properly.

Then you have a cheap evaluation board that you can investigate with nothing more than one physical USB cable.

Compare this to say a Luminary ARM evaluation board. With one of those you get a restricted commercial compiler, UART link, JTAG debugging and an OLED display.

David.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

What the hell? How did I miss this thread after all this time? Seems my claim of supporting all of Atmel's USB AVR8 boards with my LUFA project is now false, until I write up the board drivers for the mysterious board.

I don't really want to purchase it just yet, because I've still got three other boards (including my Raven set - Joe, I'll see if I can make a wireless USART demo out of it during my summer break) to work with and I hate spending money on things I won't immediately use.

Still, has someone got ahold of the schematics so I can do the implementation from that, rather than the actual board?

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
How did I miss this thread after all this time?
Suffering from amnesia?? :lol: Remember I sent you the info about the seminars and you were too busy with uni?

edit see top post for schematics info.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Last I heard (but that could've changed) was that the xplain was not going to be sold via regular distribution

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Suffering from amnesia?? Laughing Remember I sent you the info about the seminars and you were too busy with uni?

Oh crap - I would have missed them again. Damn you university! No time for AVRs when you're coding three projects in three different languages for University, plus doing a myriad of other assignments...

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Ah, I now have the Schematics thanks to a mysterious benefactor.

All those who are complaining about brain-dead AT90USB1287s on your board, fear not! Just load in the "USBtoSerial" demo in my LUFA stack and it'll re-enable the serial-to-USB bridge. Also, assuming the XMEGA uses standard ISP programming, the "AVRISP" project in the LUFA package will give you a AVRISP-MKII clone which can program the XMEGA.

http://www.fourwalledcubicle.com...

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Wow $29 (BTW is that AU$ or US$ ?). These things could sell like the proverbial hot cakes and finally get Xmegas into widespread usage.

Wonder when these things will hit distribution in Europe?

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Hi Neil,

Firstly, thank you for joining the seminar.
I'm now working with Atmel to get a bulk delivery of the Xplain boards
with Touch, though as they have just gone into production the timing is
a little unclear.

I have put a follow up on this e-mail to make sure you do not miss out.
Please give me a week or so to confirm the shipment, then take your
order.

Regards,
Jonathan

He told me they were on their way but obviously they arent just yet :(

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

abcminiuser wrote:
(including my Raven set - Joe, I'll see if I can make a wireless USART demo out of it during my summer break)
Dean,
While I'd love to see this done, don't do it for me. The Raven is a very compelling design in photographs and on paper, but I have yet to hear of anyone being able to get it to communicate with the USB stick on the PC and use the I/O on the Raven. I have yet to hear of anyone being able to download a program from the PC (say AVRDude) to the bootloader on the Raven's I/O controller AVR. The Raven has a microphone and a speaker. You'd think someone would have a nice little demo where you could stick it in a flower arrangement and listen to the dinner conversation, or put it in a tree next to your walk and transmit weird noises to it to scare the Halloween kids. Or for that matter, just send it a byte and have 8 leds on a I/O port light up. But none of that exists. Over a year with lots of talented folks owning these things and not even one of these simplest of applications have come to pass. I've discussed this with the actual Atmel folks responsible and gotten lots of promises but no demo code yet. Either they had to set it aside to help the company bail out the bilges or there really are flaws in the system somewhere.

If you really get into this and it starts making you crazy (well, crazier) just remember that it might not be you.

Smiley

Last Edited: Fri. Oct 2, 2009 - 04:02 PM
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

abcminiuser wrote:
Also, assuming the XMEGA uses standard ISP programming, the "AVRISP" project in the LUFA package will give you a AVRISP-MKII clone which can program the XMEGA.
- Dean :twisted:

The XMEGA doesn't use the traditional ISP method, only PDI. The official AVR-ISPmk2 supports it, but most clones don't (yet :-)).

My XMEGA development board right now uses the defacto FTDI chip, but I have been considering replacing it with the AT90USB. More information on the board: http://blog.stackfoundry.com/

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
plus doing a myriad of other assignments...
Does a young lass come in as an assignment or are you too busy? :lol:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

nedward wrote:

US$29.00 for Xplain
US$17.00 for Touch Xplained

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Does a young lass come in as an assignment or are you too busy? Laughing

Well, I always MAKE time for the important things in life :D.

- Dean :twisted:

(Actually, the above is still rather ambiguous, since I'm a true Geek at heart...)

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
...the important things...
...I'm a true Geek...

There's no ambiguity.

You're like the guy who goes to a bar and wanders by the jukebox, then later tells his friends about this guy he met who's a flashy dresser and knows all these great songs.

Like the rest of us. Alas.

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Alas.

Nonono. "A lass", he said.

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Still not avaiable, but looks like it will really be:

http://br.mouser.com/ProductDeta...

Felipe Maimon

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hi,
I have just ordered Xmega 192A3 on mouser. On their web site, the item is "in stock", but after I passed my order, items are to be delivered by the provider... Very strange.
I'll wait few more days and if nothing happen, then I'll have to get my money back...
Olivier

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Xplain boards (although only a couple) are avaiable on Mouser!

http://br.mouser.com/ProductDeta...

Felipe Maimon

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Update:
I received yesterday my order from mouser, it has been very fast. I just also ordered the atstk600 as development board.
Olivier

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
All those who are complaining about brain-dead AT90USB1287s on your board, fear not! Just load in the "USBtoSerial" demo in my LUFA stack and it'll re-enable the serial-to-USB bridge. Also, assuming the XMEGA uses standard ISP programming, the "AVRISP" project in the LUFA package will give you a AVRISP-MKII clone which can program the XMEGA.

Looking at the implementation of the Rev 1 harware it uses the I2C port for serial comms to the XMega so I doubt it'll work. Mine is screwed too but I also must have given it some stick at somepoint as I've found the TVS device (D200) was stopping the PC from communicating!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

Looking at the implementation of the Rev 1 harware it uses the I2C port for serial comms to the XMega so I doubt it'll work. Mine is screwed too but I also must have given it some stick at somepoint as I've found the TVS device (D200) was stopping the PC from communicating!

Well, you could use a modified version of the Userial firmware (http://www.tty1.net/userial/) which uses LUFA to make a USB to SPI, I2C and Parallel converter, or you could add in the I2C code to my existing demo instead.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Thanks but i've got mine sorted now... hardware hack, seemed a little easier!

Remove R203 and R205.
Connect TP106 to left pad of R203
Connect TP107 to left pad of R205

Bingo.

This board has been useful for nearly every project since i've had it, my poor stk500/600 haven't seen the light of day for nearly 6 months! Now I don't need a serial port adapter for it makes it all that much better. I'd say that this problem was one reason why they up rev'd before mass release and us guys who went to the seminars got the old hardware.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Just ordered 2 from ARROW. They have em for $29 each plus $8 ground shipping ($0 additional per additional item).

VERY EXCITED... I'd been searching all week for an inexpensive MCU demo/eval board with >1MB external SRAM for some image capture experiments. Gotta love the EBI + DMA features on the XMEGA. But for the speed, it's almost as good as an ARM7. (haven't used it yet though)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

mkmckenzie wrote:
Just ordered 2 from ARROW. They have em for $29 each plus $8 ground shipping ($0 additional per additional item).
Arrow's local company (local to me) has a pretty bad reputation in my book. Let's see what the mother ship Arrow NAC has to say:
Quote:
International Orders:
International orders will be charged a handling and energy fee of $10.22 per shipment. A $10 handling charge will be added to each line item less than $30.
and
Quote:
Estimated Freight and Transit Times for International Orders
...
1-5 lbs ...
...
$26 - $43

So we have

 Xplain                   $29.00
 Handling and energy fee  $10.22 (WTF?)
 Handling charge 1 item   $10.00
 Freight                  $26.00 (or more)
=================================
                          $75.22

Oh, and you will be vetted if you are worthy:

Quote:
If you are a non–U.S. or Canadian customer, you will receive a thank you page that tells you that you’ll be contacted by an international sales representative to complete your order.
I don't think this will changes Arrow's reputation in my book.

Stealing Proteus doesn't make you an engineer.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Arrow site says they have 7 left. I got mine. $29 is the price. Also have 44 ATJTAGICE2 for $149. I got another one of those too.

Imagecraft compiler user

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

44 ATJTAGICE2 ?? WOW I thought you did not like JTAG debugging. :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I got my 4 x Xplain boards from Arrow on Tuesday. Shipping to Canada wasn't too bad and it was fast.

Dr. David Harris OpenLCB Development Team openlcb.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Got two from the local Atmel rep. Nowhere near $29, more like $38, excluding shipping.
I had hoped to buy a bunch and sell in the web-shop, but at these prices, it's not going to happen.

The INF file supplied at the Atmel page does not support 64-bit OS's (HEY ATMEL, WAKE UP AND SEE THE FUTURE!), so I changed another INF so you can use the serial port on 64-bit Vista and Win7.
You'll find it attached.

Attachment(s): 

/Jesper
http://www.yampp.com
The quick black AVR jumped over the lazy PIC.
What boots up, must come down.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I'm waiting for Braemac to have stock of the Touch eXplained board as well :) They are waiting on some capacitors or something and will have the lot available beginning of Dec. Am not liking my chances of getting them shipped out pre Christmas though when leaving it that late

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
I'm waiting for Braemac to have stock
Haha you were slow at placing the order after the seminars. I must have been the 1st one to place an order and already have mine. :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

John,

How much was it all up with shipping to your Aussie address?

- Dean :twisted:

(Although I don't know why I'm asking, I still need to work with my EV1101 and Raven kits...)

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
I still need to work with my EV1101 and Raven kits...

DB101, CAP7, WIZnet 7100, CryptoKit, ...

(I solved the Raven problem by giving it to Smiley)

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Total price including shipping was AU$47.85

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Does that include the Touch eXplained board?

Quote:

My stock is on route to me know.
USD29.00each for ATAVRXPLAIN board.

Currently my touch top module is not due to ship until December, as
there is a shortage on the caps to make them, though they are
USD19.00each.


That is what i was told a month ago...

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

No Touch eXplained, just the Xplain.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I hope one of you savvy wizards writes up a little intro to Xplain it all - a tutorial or an article, perhaps?

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

You mean us illiterate people? :) hard enough reading stuff, lot harder writing it. We will leave it to the esteemed authors here.

Anyway I have already posted 2 flashing leds program in asm for the Xplain.

edit like my new signature?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Ordered a few from Mouser, they have 67 left now.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I know the thread is old but anyway....

I also received an Xplain board, the chap (from Atmel) who gave it too me said he would email the "relevant docs" to me... that was more'n a year ago!

If i knew his name i would write to him and ask why he hasnt yet.... maybe ask the local Atmel distributor???

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

You can download the schematics and overviews directly from the Atmel website right now. Also, you can load in my alternative firmware (from my LUFA project) to implement the USB-to-Serial and PDI Programmer features that Atmel have neglected.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Have someone more info about the Display Xplained that I found in this document?
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resourc...

Look like an add-on board for Xplain.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I have only seen the touch Xplained board which is pretty cool :)
This one looks awesome too tbh

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hello )
for what purpose there are jumpers on xplain ports A & D?
thnk u )

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
for what purpose there are jumpers on xplain ports A & D?
Doesn't it say in your copy of the documentation?

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

190 in stock at Avnet, avnetexpress.com

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Jonil wrote:
Have someone more info about the Display Xplained that I found in this document?
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resourc...

Look like an add-on board for Xplain.

I just got one of these sets at the 2010 ESC show. The link above seems broken and I can not find anything on the QTouch. I think the rep that gave me these eval kits sat the Xplain board was pre-programmed for the Q touch. There are the letters Qt written on the Xplain box.

I was figuring there would be some better docs & a tutorial. The online video seems to be for something 600.

I also find it annoying that one has to register to download the software. They must have scanned my badge at least 15 times (good chance on the drawing) I also seem to be known to the local FAE, so it is not like they need my information yet again.

The Atmel folk in the booth were great & I was able to learn a lot about some of the more recent offerings.

-julie

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Can I request xPlain board as sample?

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
xPlain board as sample?
For about 30 bucks each you can have about 100 "samples" right now. http://search.digikey.com/script...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

js wrote:
For about 30 bucks each you can have about 100 "samples"

very funny )

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

code-by wrote:
Can I request xPlain board as sample?

Probably if you got to ESC and have a specific application and product need. I think there is one more day of the ESC conference. The real question is "Can you show me the way to San Jose?"

I guess I need to email Atmel support for the missing PDF file in the broken link above.

As for Digikey, I also won a lpc xpresso in a fish bowl drawing that they sponsored. Not that there is much relevance here, other that to give Digikey yet another testimonial. Even if I do prefer the US postal shipping that Mouser provides. I did learn that Digikey shares a UPS distribution point. Which is why they can ship so fast, About 15 to 18 minutes after an order is placed.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
"Can you show me the way to San Jose?"
But "Do you know the way to San Jose?" and why is it that everyone that goes there ends up "parking cars and pumping gas"?.

And WHY do I get repeated invites to ESC? Lots of gas needs to be used from Sydney to San Jose. :)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
And WHY do I get repeated invites to ESC?

Because America needs you, John!

(And Australia offered us several million dollars if we could lure you to leave)

Chuck Baird

"I wish I were dumber so I could be more certain about my opinions. It looks fun." -- Scott Adams

http://www.cbaird.org

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

John, There is a really good book _Trustee from the Toolroom_ about a Engineer/magazine columnist who travels from England to the South pacific. He hitches a ride with a half Polynesian sailor, who navigates between Hawaii and Tahiti by following the Mangrove seeds and Sea bird flight paths.

So get busy hollowing out that outrigger. Then you can bring the QTouch docs from the seminar and I can figure out how to make this thing work. I'll trade you my spare (almost unused STK200.) The Problem was the serial port and the FDTI bridge did make the old one work.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

zbaird wrote:
Quote:
And WHY do I get repeated invites to ESC?

Because America needs you, John!

(And Australia offered us several million dollars if we could lure you to leave)

Reminds me of a saying about subsequently doubling the IQ in both places ... but I would not dare say that about the esteemed JS :lol:

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

jporter wrote:
Jonil wrote:
Have someone more info about the Display Xplained that I found in this document?
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resourc...

Look like an add-on board for Xplain.

I just got one of these sets at the 2010 ESC show. The link above seems broken and I can not find anything on the QTouch. I think the rep that gave me these eval kits sat the Xplain board was pre-programmed for the Q touch. There are the letters Qt written on the Xplain box.

-julie

Hi Julie, That line sure was long! I was about 15 from the front yesterday so it wasn't too bad for me.

I too can't seem to find any useful info on this board, especially the QTouch board. I'm also missing a driver for the Xplain USB Gateway wizard that pops up. They really did a poor job documenting this. I don't mind going to the web to retrieve info, but it should be there!!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

tonykaravidas wrote:

Hi Julie, That line sure was long! I was about 15 from the front yesterday so it wasn't too bad for me.

I too can't seem to find any useful info on this board, especially the QTouch board. I'm also missing a driver for the Xplain USB Gateway wizard that pops up. They really did a poor job documenting this. I don't mind going to the web to retrieve info, but it should be there!!

When I got to the conference Tuesday morning. The reg system was down, so I missed the Keynote and the bag with the whole QT600. I did get to meet the conference promoter. I think they had a lot more the Attendees than last year. There were only 600 seats in the Keynote ballroom. Usually they use the 2500 seat auditorium across the street.

It was chance that I got the simpler QTouch Xplained setup. I guess I asked the right questions during the demo. Was really surprised there was no Quckstart guide online. Hopefully there is something inside the studio plugin. It took over an hour to download the libraries and plugin. I have not had time to install this on my offline windows dev machine.

I noticed that there are now videos of the demos and presentations linked along with the contest results. One of the videos covers the demo I saw where this unit is discussed briefly. Most of the focus was on the low power apps.

There was also a touchscreen shield for the XPlain. I would have liked to have found info for that unit on the Atmel site too.

I still must complement the Atmel sales force, There are some really nice products coming out of Norway and San Jose. I suspect this just got lost in the shuffle.

-julie

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:
subsequently doubling the IQ in both places ...
Hmmm with Carl's funeral just held today too....not that I would order another hit or anything like that... :lol:

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I know this is an old thread--and I found an even older one--but they both pretty much say the same thing: Nobody can find documentation, at least for the QTouch Xplain.

They actually gave the XMEGA and QTOUCH evaluation kits away for free at the ESC conference (don't hate me!), which is what brought me here, in search of docs.

The packaging says that they don't provide CD or paper "for environmental reasons", but it is looking more like "because we ain't got it".

I did find the docs for the XMEGA kit, just not the QTOUCH one.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Same problem here - I borrowed the QTouch Xplained from Ross but eventually gave it back unused, because the Atmel website had never heard of it. A real shame, it looked neat but ultimately useless without documentation.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

charlie wrote:
I decided to buy the whole QT-600 eval kit. Arrow has them for 1/2 price at $99.

charlie

Yeez,

I got one a few months ago for almost €200. And with buggy software. After many emails with atmel, they fixed it. Now the software is working. I've been had - again. I wonder when I get compensated for my beta testing...

e.g. I would like to receive a new qt600-attiny88 board because the older software let me brick it. Also an Explain board would be useful...

Nick

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I received the following reply in regards to my sending the broken link on the Atmel website to support@atmel.com

It looks like they have a dedicated team for touch support.

I have not had time yet to install the software, or check if the Xplain board is pre-programmed with the touch demo. I think the FAE who gave me the unit said it was (The box is marked QT in pencil.)

-julie

Quote:
Dear Customer,

The user guide for the QTouch Xplained is available in the help section of QTouch Studio.
In AVR QTouch Studio Help menu -> Contents -> AVR QTouch Studio -> Supported Kits -> QTouch Xplained

We will be soon releasing the firmware and detailed documentation to use the QTouch Xplained. Please revisit our website (www.atmel.com) later to download the package for QTouch Xplained.

Thanks for the patience.

Best Regards,
Praveesh Chandran
Atmel Technical Support Team

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Just love being a 23 year old student, living in Trondheim, Norway, getting free courses and parts (Dragon, STK600, Xplain and Qtouch) directly from Atmel Norway ;D
Being at the same school the founders of AVR studied at is also a huge advantage ;)

..det har jag aldrig provat förut så det klarar jag säkert

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

May have to move to norway to continue my studies :)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

sinnadyr wrote:
... living in Trondheim, Norway, getting free courses and parts (Dragon, STK600, Xplain and Qtouch) directly from Atmel Norway ...
And as mentioned at some stage earlier ... "worth every penny you paid".

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hi, does anyone has problem on connecting it to flip for programming? Docs says, short-pin 1&2, then open flip..then it says cant open.

Also, after inserting jumpers on pin 1&2 and plug on USB, its looking for AT90USB128 DFU V1.0.2, anything wrong?

will try LUFA.

thank you

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

What revision of the board do you have? The first revision did not contain the DFU bootloader.

If Windows is asking for the DFU driver, it is located in the "usb" directory of your FLIP installation.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

it says 4. thank you for that info, anyway got it working using dragon, and loading sample code....

its a cute kit :)

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

jesper wrote:
Got two from the local Atmel rep. Nowhere near $29, more like $38, excluding shipping.
I had hoped to buy a bunch and sell in the web-shop, but at these prices, it's not going to happen.

The INF file supplied at the Atmel page does not support 64-bit OS's (HEY ATMEL, WAKE UP AND SEE THE FUTURE!), so I changed another INF so you can use the serial port on 64-bit Vista and Win7.
You'll find it attached.

Hello,
I'm a total newb at this, and I just got an Xplain board. My PC runs 64-bit Vista. When I run "install" on the provided file, Xplain_CDC_Win7.inf, I get the same error message as before: "The INF file you selected does not support this method of installation". (I have not yet connected the board.)
Any suggestions?
I certainly hope I can talk to this board with my PC!
Thanks.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Charlie,

You're supposed to use a JTAG device (Dragon, JTAG-MKII or AVR ONE!) to program the board. Atmel promised some firmware for the on-board USB AVR to program the XMEGA a long while back, but nothing ever materialized.

All is not lost however, as I have written this firmware myself. When loaded via the USB AVR's pre-programmed USB bootloader, it will make the USB AVR act as both a USB-to-Serial converter for the XMEGA, as well as a PDI programmer usable from within AVRStudio.

See this post for details:
http://fourwalledcubicle.com/blo...

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

charlie wrote:

Julie,

Did you ever find out if your Xplain board was programmed for the QTouch? I only got the QTouch at ESC and had to purchase the Xplained board. Does anyone know if the Xplained board can be programmed with an AVRISP? The documentation only refers to the JTAGICE mkII and the AVR ONE!. I would rather not have to spend another $150 to $500 to program this board.

Charlie

No, I never had time to figure out why the Qtouch Studio IDE would not run on my XP laptop. No one ever answered my query posted asking if anyone had QTouch studio running under XP.

I am not sure how JTAG could be used to backup what is in the flash. According to the SN on my JTAG ICE MK-II I should be able to PDI program the board. Not sure if this works like the STK500 programmer or not.

-julie

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

No, I never had time to figure out why the Qtouch Studio IDE would not run on my XP laptop.

For what it's worth, it didn't run on my (at the time) Vista laptop either when I had the QTouch Explained board on loan.

Quote:

I am not sure how JTAG could be used to backup what is in the flash. According to the SN on my JTAG ICE MK-II I should be able to PDI program the board. Not sure if this works like the STK500 programmer or not.

The XPLAIN external programmer connectors are JTAG, not PDI - so any JTAG will do. The XMEGAs actually have two different physical programming busses, PDI and JTAG. Either physical interface can be used, so long as the programmer's firmware knows how to control the higher level NVM bus inside the AVR.

Regardless, my alternative USB AVR firmware for the board will allow you to reprogram the XMEGA from within AVRStudio (it emulates a AVRISP-MKII) without any external programmer needed at all.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

abcminiuser wrote:

The XPLAIN external programmer connectors are JTAG, not PDI - so any JTAG will do. The XMEGAs actually have two different physical programming busses, PDI and JTAG. Either physical interface can be used, so long as the programmer's firmware knows how to control the higher level NVM bus inside the AVR.

- Dean :twisted:

You lost me on this. How do I use JTAG to back up what ever is in flash? (provided the fuses are set to read flash) My experience is with JTAG debugging where the flash is over written with the new firmware.

The only way I know to read fuses and flash is with the sdk500 and ISP.

A check of my "qtouch studio fails to install" thread shows that 75 people looked. None responded. Probably why I do not post questions anymore. 99 percent of the time a forum search will solve my issues.

-julie

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Quote:

You lost me on this. How do I use JTAG to back up what ever is in flash? (provided the fuses are set to read flash) My experience is with JTAG debugging where the flash is over written with the new firmware.

Plug in your JTAG-MKII, and open AVRStudio. DON'T create a new project - dismiss the dialog. From the Tools menu, select Program AVR->Connect... and choose your JTAG platform (for example, the Dragon) and click OK.

From the programming dialog, select the target AVR model in the "Main" tab, and select the "JTAG" interface from the dropdown. From there, you can use the "Read" buttons on the "Program" tab to read back the contents of the AVR.

Remember that ISP, JTAG, dW, PDI, TPI et. al. are just transports for data - while some allow for debugging, that doesn't mean you can't do regular programming with them. I've *only* use JTAG programming of my boards for a few years now, since I had the free pins (and wanted to debug anyway) and JTAG is very fast.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

I just received an xplain board from atmel, and I am having a problem trying to download the LUFA bootloader through FLIP. I have connected the jumper pins as indicated to put it into USB bootloader mode (1 and 2 on the JTAG USB pinouts correct?), but when I plug in the USB to the computer, the driver installer says that I am installing for the Xplain USB Gateway, and it will not let me install the drivers located in FLIP's usb directory. Is there something I am doing wrong? I believe I have revision 2 of the board. One of the tutorials I read said that I might need to jumper pins 6 and 10 to cause the board to re-set once I have plugged it in, does that make sense?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I don't know if I can get the use of an external JTAG programmer.

EDIT: Yep, that did the trick (though the only thing I had on hand was 2 ends of an RCA cable). In any case, thanks! I'm in a university course where a number of people are using this board for their project, so I'm sure this will probably be coming up a lot.

Last Edited: Mon. Feb 7, 2011 - 06:56 PM
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Yes, try adding the jumper as indicated in my post, powering the board, and then momentarily shorting pins 6 and 10 together to reset the USB AVR. That should force it into bootloader mode, assuming that it is loaded with the correct bootloader revision and fuses.

- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

skiazyk wrote:
One of the tutorials I read said that I might need to jumper pins 6 and 10 to cause the board to re-set once I have plugged it in, does that make sense?

I once wrote that in a (now deleted) tutorial. People claimed it ain't needed and being nonsense, because well, they didn't need it, so it couldn't be true. After enough hate mail I deleted the tutorial.

So by majority vote it ain't needed, can't be, and doesn't make sense.

Stealing Proteus doesn't make you an engineer.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Total votes: 0

Hi everyone,

I'm really new in this way. i want to use the extensions of these kits (for example IO1Xplained extension board) , but i don't know what should i do.
Would you please help me?
Thanks,
Ehsan