Which certificate is required in order to sell its electrical appliance to US, EU & UK?

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Hello Electrical Engineers,

In order to sell a new electrical appliance to US, EU & UK, what kind of certificate is required?

What is the cost and the time duration to complete the application and issuing the certificate?

 

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Last Edited: Mon. Aug 1, 2022 - 04:35 PM
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Lots of certifications required but most of all you have to recycle the product at your expense at the end of life.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

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HKPhysicist wrote:
In order to sell a new electrical appliance to US, EU & UK, what kind of certificate is required?

 

Here in the US, it depends on what the device is.  But usually the U.L. certification is what is applied for.

 

At the same time our regulatory on most stuff is pretty lax so you could probably just flood our markets with your widget and never see a nasty letter in the mail about it.

 

HKPhysicist wrote:
What is the cost and the time duration to complete the application and issuing the certificate?

 

Again, it depends on teh device.  When I was at the fiber optics company we went for UL and CE compliance certs...  the UL application was $25,000 for the paperwork, and the testing.  We had to send 25 pairs of the device and those devices never came back in working order.  If we passed it cost $25,000.  If we failed (which happened a few times) you have to resubmit a batch of 25 devices and pay a retest fee...about $15,000....rinse repeat if you failed again.

 

We had to do teh same thing for CE compliance testing/certification.

 

It gets expensive.

 

 

js wrote:
but most of all you have to recycle the product at your expense at the end of life.

 

Maybe in OZ you have to do that.  Here in the USA we just throw things in the trash and create toxic dumps/landfills.  It costs way more to recycle than to harm teh environment.

 

I am the only one on my block who actually recycles plastic/metal/paper for the most part.  I am on a first name basis with teh folks at the E-waste centre.

 

Jim

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In order to sell a new electrical appliance to US, EU & UK, what kind of certificate is required?  

There are also very specific ones for a variety of things...light fixtures, maybe coffee makers, dishwashers, elevators, etc..so if your fall in those bins, you have more specific things to meet.

 

 

UL1082 Standard for Household Electric Coffee Makers and Brewing-Type Appliances  

UL32 Standard for Metal Waste Cans (Ed. 5)

UL859 Household Electric Personal Grooming Appliances  (ex: hair dryers)

 

You likely need to hire a standards test lab/consultant to guide you properly.  They will know what is best for your application.  Somewhat associated with this umbrella comes things like radiated and conducted emissions & susceptibility requirements.

With CE, theoretically, you can raise you hand & certify yourself (we certify that this blood monitor conforms to all requirements of IECxxx harmonized standard...).  Most companies don't have the skills/equipment to back the up the talk & don't want the liability anyway.

 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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There is an FCC cert needed in the US if there is clocked logic (e.g. MCU or switch mode power supply) running faster than some specific frequency. I vaguely recall 8KHz but that could be way off.

 

US is mostly concerned with electrical hazard to the user and electromagnetic emission that will affect other hardware. EU is also concerned about whether the equipment will continue to work as advertised. Don't know where UK is in all this.

 

Jim

 

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Maybe in OZ you have to do that. 

Nothing here yet but in Europe I'm pretty sure you need recycling facilities for you products at EOL.

 

Some 20 years ago I made some of my displays that went to Europe and the importing company had to vouch for the recycle-ability IIRC.

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

https://www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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And of course there is the lead-free solder requirement in the EU.

Ross McKenzie, Melbourne Australia

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I plan to put my present (virtual) electrical switch on crowd funding platform.

 

Do I have to meet every country's regulation?  It sounds like a moon-landing task.  sad

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Yes, ROHS - it is quite well known.

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HKPhysicist wrote:

I plan to put my present (virtual) electrical switch on crowd funding platform.

 

just sell your product to the USA.  No one reads the labels, and we will buy virtually anything! cheeky

 

jim

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

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jgmdesign wrote:

HKPhysicist wrote:

I plan to put my present (virtual) electrical switch on crowd funding platform.

 

just sell your product to the USA.  No one reads the labels, and we will buy virtually anything! cheeky

 

jim

 

Glad to hear!  Let's go!

 

Mine is an Arrow-backed project!  They give me US$1,000.00 free parts as incentive; plus some very general opinions.

 

Microchip is even worse.

Their client-success team only showed me a long list of vendors and asked me to call them 1 by 1.  Then, I found that most Microchip vendors near me are from China.  If I outsource my project to them, they are the one who will copy my firmware and push my product's counterfeit to market!

 

So I build the firmware by myself and it is ready.

 

The next step is to hire digital artists to film my virtual product.  winkyes

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just sell your product to the USA.  No one reads the labels, and we will buy virtually anything! cheeky

Good God, we went through this last year with some Taiwan chargers than are "UL rated"  ...in other words, a joke. From the samples sent, I don't think they could even spell UL.  Even though they were marked as such (ULxxx), it seemed to be wishful thinking.   We eventually found some that were quality devices and came with certifications from real accredited labs (also a bunch of "sham" labs some use).  It is also an interesting pricing game...you have to tell them the price you want to pay so they can give you a quote on it.

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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avrcandies wrote:
"sham" labs

 

These sham labs are probably registered by their mother company which sells the products being tested.  devil

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avrcandies wrote:

Good God, we went through this last year with some Taiwan chargers than are "UL rated"  ...in other words, a joke. From the samples sent, I don't think they could even spell UL.  Even though they were marked as such (ULxxx), it seemed to be wishful thinking.   We eventually found some that were quality devices and came with certifications from real accredited labs (also a bunch of "sham" labs some use).  It is also an interesting pricing game...you have to tell them the price you want to pay so they can give you a quote on it.

Why don't you shop from top electronic distributors like Arrow, Mouser, Farnell, etc.?  I guess that they have enough manpower to verify their stock products' certificates.  The tasks are not tedious.

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Why don't you shop from top electronic distributors like Arrow, Mouser, Farnell, etc.

The price is WAY too high...we needed something in the $2-3 range, since the entire unit cost was to be a mass-market low price. 

I guess that they have enough manpower to verify their stock products' certificates

Generally true, though the stuff comes from China anyhow.  At least Digikey, etc, provides some filtering against the worst.  They are still somewhat at the mercy of the (mis)info (or even lies) from the sources.  Some of that is just flaky wording (calling soldering welding, calling a DC wall wart a battery charger (containing no charging circuitry).  

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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For CE and UKCA marking you do not need any 3rd party certification.

 

The 'CE Certificate' is something you issue. All you need to do is be able to back up any claims you make with paperwork (Technical Construction File, TCF). Actually, to be pedantic, the certificate needs to be issued by your EU/UK based authorised representative.

 

Unless your product falls into a few special categories you need to comply with two areas or regulation...

 

Safety - via the Low Voltage Directive.

Emissions/Immunity - via various directives.

 

Safety is achieved be applying one of a few standards, but they all say the same thing. Look at EN60065 and EN60950.

 

RFI is a bit trickier but any well designed unit ought to be able to meet them, and there's nothing to stop you doing some pre-compliance testing (lots of youtube vides) to see if there might be a problem.

 

Some people thing you can get away with not doing anything by supplying a kit. WRONG, when assembled a kit must perform as if it were a manufactured product in a typical use scenario.

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COOL!!!  Thank you very much!  yesenlightenedheart

This is called "actual experiences" which I have been looking for.

 

This is also why I hate answer like "search for xxxx".

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For practical purposes UK currently recognises CE. It’s highly likely that recognition will continue beyond the 2023 cutoff.  For most application areas CE is self certified and you can issue the cert yourself. There is almost no oversight and it’s largely only in product liability cases do issues  arise, yiu have considerable time to prepare  technical file and preparing one is not particularly onerous. 

 

Hence within most categories , CE certification is essentially free. 

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Madscientist99 wrote:

There is almost no oversight and it’s largely only in product liability cases do issues  arise,...

 

I am aware of cases where incorrectly applied CE marking has been used by a companies competitors to nobble their rivals. A well written complaint to Trading Standards can tie you up for a long while.

#1 Hardware Problem? https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/...

#2 Hardware Problem? Read AVR042.

#3 All grounds are not created equal

#4 Have you proved your chip is running at xxMHz?

#5 "If you think you need floating point to solve the problem then you don't understand the problem. If you really do need floating point then you have a problem you do not understand."

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Madscientist99 wrote:
For practical purposes UK currently recognises CE. It’s highly likely that recognition will continue beyond the 2023 cutoff.  
Can you imagine any of the Xenophobes here accepting "CE" when it stands for "Conformité Européene'"? "We don't want any of that European nonsense in some foreign language tainting British products"!!

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clawson wrote:

Madscientist99 wrote:
For practical purposes UK currently recognises CE. It’s highly likely that recognition will continue beyond the 2023 cutoff.  
Can you imagine any of the Xenophobes here accepting "CE" when it stands for "Conformité Européene'"? "We don't want any of that European nonsense in some foreign language tainting British products"!!

 

There's ISO also for Asia region

www.tokopedia.com/madagang .Buy and Donated cheap electronics and manuscripts.

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There is almost no oversight and it’s largely only in product liability cases do issues  arise, yiu have considerable time to prepare  technical file and preparing one is not particularly onerous. 

Hence within most categories , CE certification is essentially free. 

That seems hardly the case, if your are building something noisy (welders, motor PWM controls, xray baggage scanners, etc) ...you aren't going to say "we pass!!", then wait until someone comes knocking to say , we'd better test and prepare our cert file.  A legit company is not going to take on that liability.

 

CE certification is essentially free. 

Hardly--if you are actually doing tests. Labs & RF/EMC/ESD test equipment, people and testing hours cost money. 

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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Many good opinions from experienced engineers.  yes enlightenedheart laugh

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Brian Fairchild wrote:

Madscientist99 wrote:

 

There is almost no oversight and it’s largely only in product liability cases do issues  arise,...

 

I am aware of cases where incorrectly applied CE marking has been used by a companies competitors to nobble their rivals. A well written complaint to Trading Standards can tie you up for a long while.

 

I will do the actual tests by myself and keep the experimentation records.  smileyenlightened

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I will do the actual tests by myself

OK, you have all of this EMC & ESD test equipment?   Are you building a screen room with some mesh?

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!

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avrcandies wrote:

I will do the actual tests by myself

OK, you have all of this EMC & ESD test equipment?   Are you building a screen room with some mesh?

 

I can access Arrow's Lab.  They have many apparatus.  They do have a Shield Room.  One can sleep inside.  yes cool

 

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I can access Arrow's Lab.  They have many apparatus.  They do have a Shield Room.  One can sleep inside.

Remember what happened last time you said that

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=...

When in the dark remember-the future looks brighter than ever.   I look forward to being able to predict the future!