Atmega16, how to verify if its dead...

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Posted by KKV79: Sat. Jan 15, 2022 - 04:09 PM
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Hi guys.

 

For a year ago I disambeled this pcb from a home product to reengineer the the IO ports on the UC. I then meantime i did a temporarily PCB with a Arduino nano. My plan was to write a new firmware on the original.

 

But time went and I didn't finalize the project... But now it should be, so started up again and have now clarified all the pins in this Atmega16. The problem is that I cannot get any communication to work. I cant even manage to get a device ID from it. I have tried with a USBASP and my Atmel ICE, nothing works.  only get avrdue command:

 

 

As you can see there's a 10 pin ISP programming port which is the only one i have used. 

 

Is there anything I should try before having someone to replace this Atmage16 from the board? a new control board is 150Euro.. 

 

the onboard krystal is a 8mhz and the Atmega is of type Atmega16 16AU, 0612J

 

Thanks,

 

 

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Kasper Vissing

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Posted by gchapman: Sat. Jan 15, 2022 - 04:42 PM
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KKV79 wrote:
Is there anything I should try before having someone to replace this Atmage16 from the board?
Yes

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Posted by avrcandies: Sat. Jan 15, 2022 - 04:46 PM
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Does your board have power?---needed to program

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Posted by KKV79: Sat. Jan 15, 2022 - 04:48 PM (Reply to #3)
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Yes,

 

It's supplied with 5V from the USBASP. And when I used my ATMEL-ICE I did supply from external. 

:/

 

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Posted by N.Winterbottom: Sun. Jan 16, 2022 - 06:01 PM
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This dead ATmega16 title reminds me of the "funniest joke in the world".

Two hunters are out in the woods when one of them suddenly collapses. He doesn't seem to be breathing and his eyes are still and glazed over.

The other guy whips out his phone and calls for an ambulance. He screams "My friend is dead! What can I do?"

The operator says, "Calm down. I can help. First though, we must be sure he's really dead"

There is a brief silence; then a gun shot is heard.

Back on the phone, the guy says, "OK - now what?"

 

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Posted by avrcandies: Sun. Jan 16, 2022 - 06:16 PM
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Programming cable on backwards?  Double check, it is easy to mess up.  

Set programming speed to lowest possible

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Posted by KKV79: Sun. Jan 16, 2022 - 06:37 PM (Reply to #6)
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I wish it was that. I did check the pin 1 Mark and traces it to MISO and the same in the other end. :/ 

 

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Posted by Simonetta: Sun. Jan 16, 2022 - 09:15 PM
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First verify voltage and signals at the pins of the ATmega16 IC itself.

Get a sewing needle and clamp it into the alligator clip or scope probe. 

A good wrap-around-the-forehead "hands-free" magnifier is also a good tool to use.

 

Now you can touch the tip of the sewing needle onto the actual pin tab of the Mega16 that you want to test.  Check for Vcc on all the Vcc pins.   Test the reset pin.  Does it go to logic high on PowerUP?

 

  Next test the MOSI, MISO, and SCK pins by repeatedly running AVRdude.   Also use the AVRdude code for Mega16: which is "m16" instead of "m8".  The scope should show activity on these pins each time that AVRdude tries to access the AVR.

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Posted by grohote: Sun. Jan 16, 2022 - 10:17 PM
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R1 value, which goes from Reset to Vcc (pin4 to pin5) is unclear to me, can you read it.

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Posted by js: Mon. Jan 17, 2022 - 01:58 AM
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R1 seems to be 4K7 (472) which is what I used for the past 20 years.

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Posted by valusoft: Mon. Jan 17, 2022 - 06:36 AM
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Are you really trying to set SCK to 1,500,00 Hz? (1.5MHz?)

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Posted by KKV79: Mon. Jan 17, 2022 - 09:07 PM (Reply to #11)
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Ive tried all frequency's in the list, so yes I've also tried 1.k MHz 

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Posted by KKV79: Mon. Jan 17, 2022 - 09:08 PM (Reply to #8)
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Thanks, I will try that! (btw, I also realized the m8, and also tried with m16)

Kasper Vissing

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