Win 7 updates and AS7 slowdown

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I installed the recent Windows 7 updates and now it take about 5 minutes to open an AS7 project, and a build that used to take 10 seconds now takes much much longer.  Has anyone else had this problem?  Maybe it is just time for me to replace this old laptop with a modern machine with Win 10.  This one is more than 5 years old and may be almost 10 years old.  It has always been fine for what I do, but the slowdown of AS7 is a real drag (pun intended).

 

I have a Lenovo laptop I bought used a couple of years ago that came with a fresh installation of Windows 7, and I had to do 165 updates to bring it up to date.  At some point after doing a Win 7 update the machine slowed down to the point it took 30 minutes or more to reboot.  Somehow I figured out that after doing updates and restarting, that took half an hour or more, if I shut it down taking another 20 minutes and then started it up in safe mode and then restarting, it was the fastest machine of the 3 I use.  I guess something is not being initialized with a regular restart that gets set with a safe start.  How is that for strange?

 

I always keep cars until they die on me too.  Not a person to get a new car every 2 years.  The carbon impact of getting a new car is much bigger than driving one that is less efficient.  Although our Mini got 32 MPG average when we used it to commute to work and most of the driving was on the freeway - 40 some miles each way.  Now it just sits and collects dust.  We drive it maybe 4 times a month to go to the grocery store or over to Berkeley to visit my wife's brother.  I use my motor(cycle-scooter) to run errands and we use public transportation if we go someplace in SF together.  We live in the geometric center of the city, so nothing is more than 3.5 miles away, and we both like to walk.  I find riding the bus an adventure.  You never know what you will encounter on the bus.  Puddles of vomit are pretty common, and crazy and/or smelly people are pretty much guaranteed.

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Why not bite the bullet and simply upgrade free of charge to Win10?  Win 10 actually runs pretty good on older machines with limited RAM and such.

 

The update is still free you just have to go download the update tool.

 

Also, after you upgrade to Win10, I would seriously consider cloning the old drive to a new SSD drive.

 

You would be amazed at the speed improvement.  COst is negligible.

 

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I want a new computer.  This one is on its last legs.  I'm just waiting until Jan 2020.

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Susan might say "Don't wait"

Considerations migrating from Win7 to Win10

Susan BradleyBy Susan Bradley

https://www.askwoody.com/askwoody-newsletter-alerts/where-were-headed-with-askwoody-plus-an-update/#upgrading-0

ISSUE 16.32.0 • 2019-09-09

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Sure you can upgrade — but should you?

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"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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Computers don't have legs.  wink

 

Have you looked at Task Manager to see if the CPU is busy or it's running low on memory?  After a Win7 update it spends some time installing.  It also "compiles" the .NET stuff.

 

Maybe your hard drive is nearly full.

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steve17 wrote:

Have you looked at Task Manager to see if the CPU is busy or it's running low on memory?  After a Win7 update it spends some time installing.  It also "compiles" the .NET stuff.

 

Maybe your hard drive is nearly full.

 

This all happens long after the update is done doing it's thing.  The hard drive has 300 GB free and the cpu is at a few percent when I am starting up AS7.  Memory usage is 3.4 GB of 6.  Who knows what it is doing.  It's almost 10 years old and there must be random pieces of cruft left over all over the place.  The registry is probably a nightmare too.  It's time for a new machine.  The laptop display is dead, so I am using an external monitor and an old Dell keyboard sitting on top of the closed laptop.  It's time.

 

I have another machine that simply wouldn't work after I did something stupid during an update, so I disabled wireless once I finally got it going again and gave up on that update, which was the one that supposedly fixed a big security hole.  I am wondering how much danger I incur by turning on wireless long enough for Dropbox to sync with that machine.  Do I have to worry about some bot sneaking in while it is on the web talking to Dropbox?  I dont go anywhere on the web with that machine, and turn off wireless as soon as Dropbox is synched up.

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Maybe the CPU is overheating and slowing down.  Maybe the computer is plugged up with dust.  Maybe the fan is stopped or turning slowly.

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A conspiracy theory cynic would suggest that M$ is purposefully slowing down Win7ready for the kill? Don't know why but I got that feeling with XP.

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steve17 wrote:
Maybe the CPU is overheating and slowing down.  Maybe the computer is plugged up with dust.  Maybe the fan is stopped or turning slowly.

The fan seems to run as much as usual and warm air comes out like usual.  I was just using the fan as something that could fail after 10 years.

 

The article link above said something about needing 8 GB of memory for Win 10, but you could be right.  Maybe the disc has slowed down.  The machine I have downstairs that I have to start in safe mode and then restart in normal mode after installing updates and restarting in normal mode is only 4 MB of memory, and it is FAST.  I just got it a couple years ago used, and it is fine.  It is a Lenovo.  This one I am going to replace is a Toshiba.

 

steve17 wrote:
After a Win7 update it spends some time installing.  It also "compiles" the .NET stuff.

Maybe you are right and I didn't wait long enough after installing updates and rebooting before starting up AS7.  I just started a new project just and it was as fast as ever and it rebuilt the project is seconds like it used to, so all of this may be explained simply.  But the Lenovo on my work bench definitely need that weird safe start to run at normal speeds.

 

Nobody responded to my question about my worry about someone getting access to my other workbench machine I use to connect USB to my projects after blowing up one USB port with 10,000V.  If it is connected to Dropbox for 5 minutes is there a chance of someone getting in through the security hole, or am I just being stupid.

 

js wrote:
A conspiracy theory cynic would suggest that M$ is purposefully slowing down Win7 ready for the kill? Don't know why but I got that feeling with XP.

Would MS do something like that?  Of course.  I know when I go to Bing news a little box appears in the upper right hand corner covering up things I want to see trying to get me to make Bing my default search engine.  It is very annoying as I cant get rid of it.  It goes away on its own after a while.  

 

I am starting to get excited about getting a new laptop.  My mother-in-law gave me a check for my birthday big enough to get a nice one.

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Get something from your friends in Cupertino! I dread having to start up Windows as it usually demands an update. At least Apple is a bit friendlier - it just hassles you but you determine when to update.

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MarkThomas wrote:
when I go to Bing news a little box appears in the upper right hand corner covering up things I want to see trying to get me to make Bing my default search engine. 
I haven't seen that.  Are you using Win7?  I hope you aren't using IE.

 

Anyway it could be worse because BING is the acronym for Bing Is Not Google, or so some people say.

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Kartman wrote:
I dread having to start up Windows as it usually demands an update
  The latest Win10 pro allows an update pause of 35 days.  I think the latest home version allows a week or so pause, but I could be wrong.

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Defer for Windows 10 Pro and sub, pause for Windows 10 Home version 1903

Windows Update: FAQ - Windows Help

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Windows 10

[expand "How can I stop updates from downloading and installing? Can I skip updates?"]

Considerations migrating from Win7 to Win10

Susan BradleyBy Susan Bradley

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Taking control of Win10 updating

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To make the change [in Windows 10 Pro and sub], follow these steps:

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"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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That is dated May 21.  That is so yesterday.  Win10 changes weekly, or is it daily?  Now Win10 pro doesn't defer, it pauses.

 

 

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Windows 10 Pro defers via the Group Policy Editor.

 

"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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steve17 wrote:

I haven't seen that.  Are you using Win7?  I hope you aren't using IE.

Yes, Win 7.  No, I use Chrome.  IE just got too slow to use.

 

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Kartman wrote:
Get something from your friends in Cupertino! I dread having to start up Windows as it usually demands an update. At least Apple is a bit friendlier - it just hassles you but you determine when to update.

I dont have any friends in Cupertino.  And I dont use any Apple products.  I think they have taken over the evil empire spot MS used to occupy and are way overpriced.  Google is a close second, as is Amazon, both of which I use.

 

I have Win 7 set up so it tells me there are updates and I decide when to install them.  No hassle at all.  It looks like you can do the same thing in Win 10 for 35 days, or some such.  It used to just install them and reboot your machine whenever it felt like it.  I think customers complained enough that MS changed things.

 

 

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You Put 10kV On A USB Port?  It's a miracle that the building didn't burn down.  S.

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Scroungre wrote:
You Put 10kV On A USB Port?

There wasn't much current, and it went through my fingers before it got to the USB-serial converter, and then on to the USB port.  It was quite shocking to find that USB port didn't work any more.

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I used the term ‘friends’ loosely. Whilst you pay a small premium for Apple product, they tend to last pretty well. My partner still uses a 2011 iMac that still works well. I have a 2013 imac that still works a treat. My only motivation for an upgrade is the 5k screen of the 2015 and later models. I’d be lucky to get 2-3 years out of noname hardware without maintenance. I’d contend the total cost of ownership is quite economical. I don’t want to sound like a fanboy, but i was always skeptical until i worked at a company where they had imacs. I got ‘converted’. For me it is a ‘box’ that does what I want and happens to look nice as well.