SD Card Failure in Nissan Navigation System

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So our 2013 Altima has a nav system that uses an SD card for the map info.  Now it has started displaying a message that "No SD card inserted, Please use Nissan Card Only".  That card has never been removed from the holder for over 5 years, and now it's failing?  I think we can rule out worn contacts, but I did clean the gold fingers, first with a eraser, then isapropal alcohol.  Lot's googling show me a few times where they replaced the card and the system started working again.  But I'm not about to drop $150 on a new map card unless I know for sure it's going to work.

 

Apparently cloning the card is not possible, due to a secret electronic serial number on the card.  Anyone ever dive into copying one of these cards successfully?

Or is there a way I can verify the existing card still works?  I assume if I try to read it via PC/Mac it will want me to format the card.

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dksmall wrote:
I assume if I try to read it via PC/Mac it will want me to format the card.

 

Not necesarily

 

WHy not simply put the card in a reader and see what happens?  The issue may not be the card, but the unit in the dash.  Any chance you could find someone with the same system and see if their car can read your card?  If you are on Facebook there usually is a community page for your location where you can ask.  I have done this sort of thing here in the past.

 

JIm

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Last Edited: Thu. Apr 4, 2019 - 03:52 AM
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From what I’ve read, I need to put the card in a similar vehicle, or the system will brick. Hopefully a power cycle at the battery would unbrick it. I know that my Rogue is in a different group, otherwise I would try it in my car. I know a few people with Altimas so it’s worth a shot. Problem is it doesn’t fail all the time, so it may work for the first day. I’ll try reading it with a computer just in case.

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Well I guess you can read the card, the root has a folder named cryptnav, with 6gb of files under it. It seems too easy to just copy this to another card and expect it to work, but I have nothing to lose at this point. Then again if we could copy it without any tricks needed, these things would be all over eBay being sold.

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it might be the contact fingers in the car.

what happens if you insert /eject/insert.......  de card a number of times. This will clean the contacts in the car too.

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We’ve removed/inserted many times.
While copying the memory card to an Xp laptop, it got pretty far and then crapped out with a read error. So either the memory card is going bad, or there might be some encrypting or intentional errors in the file structure.

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Was your copying software just copying "files", or was it doing a sector by sector copy?

 

JC

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I just dragged the folder to the desktop, so a Windows copy. No custom copy software.
I found that Amazon sells new nav cards from Nissan, so we’re going to try that. If the new card works then we’ll know the original did fail, for whatever reason. If the new card fails, then we can return it (yeah Amazon). If the head unit is at fault the wife will probably just use her phone, don’t feel like dropping big bucks on a new unit.

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dksmall wrote:
... don’t feel like dropping big bucks on a new unit.
less for a functional used unit from an automotive salvage yard operator; they're networked so can trade amongst their group to get a unit.

Phoenix heat may of done in the original; might be something simple like a noisy power supply (though not easy ... repair the original unit as a spare or to sell as a core)

 

"Dare to be naïve." - Buckminster Fuller

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I went the salvage yard route once, got a unit in from Louisiana claiming to be “like new”. It was a dusty piece of junk with a cassette tape still stuck in it.

Yes that card has suffered through 5 Arizona summers, with a black leather interior that only makes it hotter.

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dksmall wrote:
I just dragged the folder to the desktop, so a Windows copy. No custom copy software.
You'd be better off doing a copy at a lower level. The dd command in Linux springs to mind. Just mount two SD cards as /dev/sdf and /dec/sdg (or whatever the drive letters end up being) then use dd to copy the entire thing from one to the other (not even at the /dev/sdf2 level but really at the /dev/sdf level so it's the entire disk).

 

EDIT: some words about that here:  https://askubuntu.com/questions/227924/sd-card-cloning-using-the-dd-command

Last Edited: Fri. Apr 5, 2019 - 08:38 AM
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If I was to try to actually clone the card, I know it would be more involved.  I did see a video about cloning a nav card and Linux was the platform being used.  Might have even used the dd command, I don't remember.

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SD stands for Secure Digital.

 

It has several built in copy protection mechanisim.s

 

If you can see directory structures on your PC and try copy files and it fails - then I think the card is bad. If the copy protection level to stop you reading files was implimented if think you never could have started that.

 

The scuruty nissan have there is about the the correct SD card, not about the data on it.

 

 

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We should get the new card next week, then we'll know for sure.  If it is the card, it's a shame it's not more robust.  I see camera guys abusing these cards all the time, but they're not leaving their gear in a hot car, assuming that was the issue.

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You could always use a map.  Those don't have issues with sun, hot temperatures(maybe a flame), or static.

 

I've been using them for decades and never had one go bad on me.

 

JIm

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jgm -

 

Pretty sure you have driven solo on a big city freeway or expressway where you have never been before. I've tried using printed maps to navigate those and I am always surprised that I did not crash and burn.

 

west coast (& small town) jim

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Sure have.  And I have never used GPS, or any of these other navigational aids.  Tried it once and said no thanks.  >>ok, I guess I cannot say NEVER since I tried it once<<

 

I know my way around the tri state area so no need for anything here, and if I am going on anything outside of that I simply google map from my desktop and print the picture and go.  If something changes I ask for directions - Not afraid to.

 

 

ECJ

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jgmdesign wrote:

You could always use a map.  Those don't have issues with sun, hot temperatures(maybe a flame), or static.

 

I've been using them for decades and never had one go bad on me.

 

JIm

 

I had one catch fire once... :D

 

Neil

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I've had TomTom and Garmin nav systems over the years but now I don't bother with anything but the free Google Maps on my phone that does a better job than anything previously, especially the live updates (all cars using it report their position/speed so it knows where the jams are in real time).

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I like OSMAND. (Open Street Map Android Navigation Device).

This works with downloadable maps, so there is no wireless communication needed during use.

 

The program is Free (as in Open Source), but there are also paid versions, which give you a warm fuzzy feeling in your belly.

The free precompiled versions are somtimes limited to a download of 3 maps (sometimes whole countries), but for easy access to Worldwide maps it's well worth paying a few EUR.

Maps are also free, and are taken from Open Streetmaps, as also a lot of other navigation devices do nowadays.

I think the maps are updated every 2 weeks or month or so, but I never really bothered to pay much attention to that.

 

When I go hiking, I can walk a day and a half on it (when used sparingly), and therefore only need to charge my phone in the evening on a camp site.

 

@clawson.

When you use dd with Linux, the disk should not be mounted. I'm not sure if using dd with a mounted disk is dangerous, or if it's smart enough to handle file buffers etc intelligently.

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Yeah the article I linked about dd emphasised that (rather obvious) point.

Last Edited: Sat. Apr 6, 2019 - 08:35 PM
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Just to wrap this up, the new SD card arrived yesterday.  I installed it, was prompted for an update, update was successful, system rebooted, and it seems to be happy now.  It's shame the original card couldn't last more then 5.5 years though.

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Appreciate the update.

Glad to hear it is working again.

 

I had an almost new SD card (Sandisk, none-the-less), fail.

I ended up sending them a photo and details on the card, and they sent me a replacement.

I've used many SD cards over the reads, and that was the only failure that didn't have a good reason to fail.

 

My only other failure had to do with the worlds largest Van de Graf machine, in Boston, and the resultant destruction of my camera, and loss of the card and its data.

 

JC

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DocJC wrote:
My only other failure had to do with the worlds largest Van de Graf machine, in Boston, and the resultant destruction of my camera, and loss of the card and its data.

That sounds like good story, too bad there are no pictures to go with it! devil

 

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Now that was funny!

 

Look out Ross, you have competition!

 

JC

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Happy to share my pay packet and glory.

 

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