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Posted by barnacle: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 08:52 AM
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I'm looking for suggestions for a current equivalent (i.e. available!) to the ancient 6551 serial i/o UART... basically, I need a parallel memory mapped interface, baud rates at low speed (don't need more than 9600 or so) and DIP package for preference.

This is to bolt onto the zombie cpu... *I've* got half a dozen 6551s lying around doing nothing, but I think a modern UART would be a better choice.

So far I've found the Intersil 82C50, which is nice as it has the baud rate generator on board, but it's a 40 pin DIP which is a bit excessive in real estate and it's not cheap - pushing fifteen quid.

Or the MAX3100 - but I'd have to bit-bang the interface... and I have no shift instruction (I *knew* I'd find a need for it if I didn't put one in ;) )

Phillips SCC2692 or friends? Hmm, the 2691 has only 24 pins.

Any suggestions?

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Posted by CountZero: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 09:21 AM
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Well, a mega8 or similar perhaps.....

sorry, best I could think of now..

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Posted by jayjay1974: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 10:59 AM
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Rob an 8251 or 16450/16550 from an old PC?

Or if want new stuff, SCC2691AC1 from NXP (Farnell 1294824 or 1201303). A new DIP40 16c550 from TI is only €3,32 too.

You could shift to the left by adding the number to itself, then use the MSB :)

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Posted by bobgardner: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 01:52 PM
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Seems like you'd build one out of ttl chips just for symmetry?

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Posted by barnacle: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 02:07 PM
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Well i did think of it, Bob, but this is on the IO card, so I figure it doesn't count ;)

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Posted by ossi: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 02:40 PM
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The 16C550 is relatively cheap (2 Euro at my local supplier) and comes also in PLCC package.

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Posted by Plons: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 03:44 PM
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For the "building my own CPU"-fellow freaks: I have one AY-5-1013A UART available: 40pin-DIP UART, all settings in HW, data in and out on two sets of 8 pins. Full datasheet available.

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Posted by ossi: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 04:03 PM
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@plons
I think I used such an IC for my first cassette-interface.

And here is my entry in the UART-war:
S2350 USART

Correction added later: It was a USRT and no USART
I think....

I used the S2350 to build my first floppy
controller. I think that floppy controller
had more ICs in it than my S4C CPU !

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Posted by Plons: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 04:26 PM
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:)
I used the AY-5-1013A to connect a centronics printer to an Atari800XL, which didn't have a parallel port.
My first floppy-interface was built with an 6820 PIA and an 6850.

The AY-5-1013A may be usefull for David or Neil.

Oh well, maybe it's just a useless antique ;)

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Posted by barnacle: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 05:37 PM
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That's the problem of course. The 6551 would be ideal, but the only supplier is basically eBay... not good if I want to get the project into a magazine. After eating a few of the PDFs I'm starting to be tempted by the MAX3100 - it's got a small footprint even in the DIP package, and of course I can also use it to demonstrate bit-banging the SPI interface.

(And I used the AY chip on an Open University electronics course, sending digital audio down a fibre at around a thousand samples a second :) )

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Posted by jgmdesign: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 09:39 PM
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Neil,
I used in the past code I wrote for a CPLD. It took 12 bits in, serialized it and spit it out. The reciever did the reverse. Works great and ran up to 200mhz. The CPLD's from Atmel are great for this, and the development software is free, and you can get the schematic for a paralel port programmer off the Atmel site. The devices come in a 44 pin plcc package to boot.

Let me know if you would like a copy of the source code I have. It is written in ABEL but can be easily converted to ATMEL's WinCUPL.

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Posted by Kleinstein: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 09:57 PM
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If you start with the CPLD design, it should be possible to do an all TTL version as well.

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Posted by tpappano: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 09:58 PM
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There are 466 pcs g65sc51p1 available in California, fwiw. They are getting scarce, but not totally gone yet 8-)

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Posted by daqq: Fri. Feb 22, 2008 - 10:12 PM
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I'd take the old ancient mechanical aproach:

Run it at low speed, attatch the start bit to the first, D0 to the second....D7 to the ninth pin of the relay, stop to the tenth and the eleventh will generate an UART interrupt. At normal (not sending), the relay would be in position 12. Clock generation will be done mechanically. After you do this, you will be praised by many.

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Posted by barnacle: Sat. Feb 23, 2008 - 12:32 AM
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Hey, I used to fix audio routers that worked that way...

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Posted by jbrain: Sat. Feb 23, 2008 - 04:15 AM
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There's this:

http://www.westerndesigncenter.c...

You might have to check if Bill Mesch has it out of sampling.

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Quote:
There's this:

http://www.westerndesigncenter.c...

You might have to check if Bill Mesch has it out of sampling.

Jim

Wow! I never knew about this place. I've been manufacturing an industrial temperature controller for the last 20 years that uses the 6502 family. My 6502 inventory is a large "last buy" I made in 1996 8-)

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Posted by barnacle: Sat. Feb 23, 2008 - 09:21 AM
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I need to keep an eye on that place, just to keep my 6502 hand in...

The zombie io board, though, is now pretty final - I'm just trying to see if everything fits on the board ;)

- 32k 28/6 dip eeprom
- 32k 28/6 dip static ram (small amount gated out for io)
- 82c55 40/6 dip PIO interface
- scc2691 24/3 dip UART
- at90s2313 20/3 dip clock/reset generator
- hin232 14/3 dip ttl/rs232 converter
- OR FT232R SM USB interface
- sundry decoding logic

Proposed pictures later...

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Posted by jbrain: Sat. Feb 23, 2008 - 06:50 PM
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tpappano wrote:
Wow! I never knew about this place. I've been manufacturing an industrial temperature controller for the last 20 years that uses the 6502 family. My 6502 inventory is a large "last buy" I made in 1996 8-)

Tom Pappano
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Yeah, WDC is a very interesting story. Bill was one of the original NMOS 6502 designers, and managed to get Commodore's Jack Tramiel to front money for WDC when he left, promising to cut good deals on CMOS 65XX units. Jack later tried to squeeze WDC out of business, but Bill survived and went on to design the 65C816S, most popular in the Apple II GS.

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Posted by Kleinstein: Sat. Feb 23, 2008 - 08:02 PM
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If you allready have an AT2313 controller on your board, you could use the UART inside that chip. Why do you need an extra UART chip ? It should be possible to get low Baudrates and a resonablely accurate clock from the same crystal.

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Posted by barnacle: Sun. Feb 24, 2008 - 12:00 AM
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I had considered doing it that way - actually, I'd gone as far as to lay out a circuit board - but it has the same issue as the max3100 - communication between the zombie-pc and the serial chip becomes complex.

Anyway, here's today's effort - 32k ram, 8k prom, three bidirectional 8-bit ports (one bit is occupied with a permanent 50Hz timer tick), the UART, USB-serial adaptor, and clock/reset generator all on the one half-eurocard. It was a bit of a squeeze doing it all with DIP...

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Posted by ossi: Sun. Feb 24, 2008 - 12:10 PM
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Looks very good ! And still some space left....
I expect some gloating coming soon.

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Posted by barnacle: Sun. Feb 24, 2008 - 02:23 PM
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It occurs to me that I could hang an IDE disc drive off that parallel port... :D

Also, swap the ram and rom chips in their sockets and it would work with a generic 6502/6800/6809 processor.

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Posted by jgmdesign: Mon. Feb 25, 2008 - 04:09 AM
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Nice job Neil!!!

Jim

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Posted by Bingo600: Tue. Feb 26, 2008 - 10:31 PM
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barnacle wrote:
That's the problem of course. The 6551 would be ideal, but the only supplier is basically eBay... not good if I want to get the project into a magazine. After eating a few of the PDFs I'm starting to be tempted by the MAX3100 - it's got a small footprint even in the DIP package, and of course I can also use it to demonstrate bit-banging the SPI interface.

I'd seriously consider a M8 or M48 and use it as an uart to the system , ans maybe a few more things. like watchdog or clock gen for the ttl cpu.

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Posted by berthoogenboom: Mon. Jan 1, 2018 - 07:00 PM (Reply to #11)
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Jim 

 

If you still have the source for a usart in a CPLD i like to use it or at least try to fit it in the atmel CPLD that i currently use in a z80 system

 

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Posted by ka7ehk: Mon. Jan 1, 2018 - 09:37 PM
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That thread is more than 8 years old!

 

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