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Posted by balvendra: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 06:01 AM
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what is the maximum frequency crystal oscillator we can connect to ATMEGA 32 mcu.

when i connect 4 Mhz crystal it's working .

when i connect 8  Mhz crystal it's working but not in proper way.

when i connect 16 Mhz crystal it's not working and when i connect it for code transfer it fail so what i do please help me

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Posted by awneil: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 06:17 AM
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What does the datasheet tell you?

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Posted by ka7ehk: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 06:21 AM
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What  is the MCU supply voltage (at the MCU's power pins)?

 

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Posted by Brian Fairchild: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 06:43 AM
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balvendra wrote:

what is the maximum frequency crystal oscillator...when i connect 4 Mhz crystal...

 

An oscillator is not a crystal. Which are you using? You need to learn the difference or one day you will set your fuses wrongly.

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#2 Hardware Problem? Read AVR042.

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Posted by awneil: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 06:56 AM (Reply to #4)
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Brian Fairchild wrote:
An oscillator is not a crystal ... You need to learn the difference

This may help: https://e2e.ti.com/support/micro...

 

EDIT

 

See also: https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/e...

 

 

EDIT 2

 

But note that the AVR datasheet terminology is unhelpful: https://www.avrfreaks.net/comment...

 

EDIT 3

 

Another detailed discussion of plain "Crystal" vs "Crystal Oscillator", plus Ceramic Resonators: https://www.avrfreaks.net/commen...

 

EDIT 4

 

What's inside a crystal oscillator: https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/inside-crystal-oscillator

 

EDIT 5

 

Another discussion on the internal & external "oscillators": https://www.avrfreaks.net/commen...

 

#CrystalVsOscillator

 

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Posted by balvendra: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 06:59 AM (Reply to #3)
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5 volt

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Posted by balvendra: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 07:02 AM (Reply to #4)
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this was mistook in typing i am using external crystal

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Posted by balvendra: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 07:04 AM (Reply to #2)
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from data sheet i could not get idea about that so i am asking here

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Posted by Brian Fairchild: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 07:11 AM
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At 5V a mega32 should run with a 16MHz crystal.

 

What value capacitors have you connected to the crystal?

 

What are your fuses set to?

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Posted by awneil: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 07:15 AM (Reply to #8)
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balvendra wrote:
from data sheet i could not get idea about that

Really??

 

surprise

 

 

EDIT: See also the sections titled, "Clock Sources" (p25) and "Crystal Oscillator" (p26) 

 

Page references to the 2503Q–AVR–02/11 document revision.

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Posted by balvendra: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 07:32 AM
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Capacitor - 22 pf
Fuse - EE OD

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Posted by balvendra: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 08:15 AM
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I set fuse bit using eclipse like this

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Posted by Brian Fairchild: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 08:41 AM
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balvendra wrote:
Capacitor - 22 pf Fuse - EE OD

 

 

I'd be tempted to give the crystal a bit longer to start up. Unless I'm in a hurry I always use the slowest settings...

 

 

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Posted by clawson: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 08:47 AM (Reply to #12)
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Your picture shows CKOPT set to No.
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It MUST be enabled for crystals of 8MHz and above or the drive is not strong enough for it to resonate.

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Posted by MicroGyro: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 09:03 AM
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clawson wrote:
Your picture shows CKOPT set to No.
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It MUST be enabled for crystals of 8MHz and above or the drive is not strong enough for it to resonate.

I had never programmed ckopt unless I need to drive other device with the same clock source or noisy environment.
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I guess the OP is working with UART or time critical.
How can he be sure it's working or working but not in the proper way?

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Posted by Brian Fairchild: Tue. Jul 4, 2017 - 09:09 AM
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MicroGyro wrote:

How can he be sure it's working or working but not in the proper way?

 

Aha, I wonder if the OP means that his programming fails? In which case, are we looking at an ISP speed issue?

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Posted by balvendra: Wed. Jul 5, 2017 - 03:46 AM
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22 pf capacitor is right value???
and i am using usbtiny so can it communicate with mcu at all frequency??

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Posted by MicroGyro: Wed. Jul 5, 2017 - 05:35 AM
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balvendra wrote:
22 pf capacitor is right value???
and i am using usbtiny so can it communicate with mcu at all frequency??

You mean your usbtiny? Of course you can.
Set your isp clock 1/4 of your mcu clock.
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Brian Fairchild wrote:
Aha, I wonder if the OP means that his programming fails? In which case, are we looking at an ISP speed issue?

You are right :D
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