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Sick and Tired and gonna Kick it!!!!!

lo all
i,am a complete beginner with mcu/avr,s and thought i,d share my horrible experiance with others.

approx 18 mths ago i purchased a new stk500 with the intent of learning to program for pleasure and hobby use whilst spending some time getting offay with my new toy i realised what a complex item this actually was and my main problem was the stabilty of this ide it basicly pleased itself what it wanted to do which just lead to frustration and the shelving of the idea ,later and in order to rectify this i attempted an avrstudio upgrade which for all intent and purposes ending successfully and thats the last time that ide ever did anything useful after contacting the supplier who informed me "if it worked prior to the update then its not our concern" i then mailed atmel for assistance which was,nt forthcoming not even a return mail to suggest any action.
completly dismade i placed the stk where it belong in the bin after much thumb twiddlimg i decided to have a second attempt and purchased a new stk500 and held my breath during a firmware download but all ok this time and stk worked for a while ,but again same problems occurred refusal to sig read/write/read a plethora of mcu,s ,by this stage i,am convinced this is the most unstable/unuseable piece of @@**<<** not fit to perform the purpose it was intended for i,ve ever encounted and in disgust i once again shelved the idea and went fishing.

after 2 mths i dug out the rotten git and tried a sig read on a 8515 which it refused whilst ensuring the mcu was seated i nudge the jumper (after i threw it down the stairs) array and to my amazement it read correctly on further inspection and with dmm in hand i finally found the cause of all my ailments and duly replaced all jumpers with spst switches and can merrily report its not refused a single operation since (it dare,nt).

in summing up i now realise fully whats meant by a stable envioroment and due to the permatations available with this ide it can be a daunting task for a newcomer to replicate any working project suffice to say i am now the proud owner of the following stk500/stk200/butterfly/smileybuttboard/homebrew ecros 40pin isp zif adaptor/128devboard/floppysponge jtag/and more mcu,s/than an mcu convention.

perhaps now i can move on and actually produce something useful (with your help of course :wink: ).

am i alone and wtf wont this led flash :lol: :lol: :lol: .

mr blonde
:oops: just had to get that of my chest :oops:

Codevisionavr & Avrstudio 4.18
Easyavr5A-Jtagicemk1

Call me Pedantic, But not after 9.

if Milk_Brilliant
else Codevision_Avrs==Better

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I don't understand what you're asking. Perhaps if you translate that into English... ;)

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Some basic practices is needed.
First light a led , then the keyboard , timer ,uart...
I am a biginner too.
Fortunately, i haven't had these problem.
The tools, STK200,STK500,JTAGICE are all made by myself, and they are all work well.
Recently I made a MP3 player.It's the most complex project i have made.
Just come step by step.

Good Luck!
Sorry for my English!

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Mr. Blonde,

Gee, I just can't understand your luck! I have two STK500 devemopmet boards and a STK501 and STK502 expansion board. All have worked quite admirably.

There are many, many others who also have a STK500 that have had zero problems. Maybe the fact that you actually flung the STK500 down a flight of stairs also indicates the lack of mindset for complicated technical things.

If minor hardware setup issues trigger your frustration into loss of self control, how will you react to the development board when you can't get timers, USARTS, WDTs, SPI, and the other moderately complex AVR hardware modules to perform those tasks which you require? Now compound these problems with the learning curve associated with the assembler or C compiler...

This is a hobby which enlists - no, demands - patience. I hope you manage to learn some patience as, if you don't, you will end up either gray or bald, as many of us have managed to become.

Hang in there... This stuff just isn't all that simple. Some of us have been doing this for a very long time and, as such, we make it look a lot easier then it apears.

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

Last Edited: Thu. Nov 30, 2006 - 01:37 PM
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That is the worst collection of run-on sentences I have ever seen, and I've read a lot of atrocious posts. I think the collective writers of the world just simultaneously ripped out their hair and snapped their pens in half.

Having said that, that really is some pretty rotten luck. I've had nothing but excellent experiences with the Atmel customer support - to the point that I wrote them a long letter commending them for it a year or so ago. Did you send it to avr@atmel.com, or via the new online system?

I wish you hadn't binned the first STK - it was almost certainly redeemable. I've killed one STK mid-butterfly program (no idea what caused it) and it is now resurrected and serving a useful life over in Germany. My new STK500 (thanks Tom!) is serving me perfectly well.

The IDE does indeed have some minor problems, but the service packs are making it better and better. And hey, it's free!

AVR development requires work. If you put it a lot of effort, expect to get good results back. It's frustrating at times, but very rewarding.

- Dean :twisted:

EDIT: Just want to re-iterate how bad those "sentences" were. Good lord.

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

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That is the worst collection of run-on sentences I have ever seen, and I've read a lot of atrocious posts. I think the collective writers of the world just simultaneously ripped out their hair and snapped their pens in half.

Dean would obviously not be a fan of William Faulkner works.

http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/lo...

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The Guinness Book of Records lists the longest proper sentence as one from William Faulkner's novel 'Absalom, Absalom!' (1,287 words).

Lee

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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I take it you had to work hard to read and understand it then dean which was the intention, had I posted a two liner stating I had a problem with jumpers but alls ok now you wouldn’t have seen the complete picture done this way readers with the same intermittent or similar problem wont forget it in a hurry.

As for binning the original stk yes I kick myself now because that probably suffered the same fault.

After lots of wasted time and not one line of code written due entirely to two faulty ide,s I don’t think patience is an issue here more a question of stamina and i'am still here.

Currently I believe I now have what's required to begin learning the coding aspects of the avr, a reliable development enviroment/reading material/proven code etc and am looking forward to turning idea’s into reality.

I hope you don’t mind me addressing you as dean as it appears the done thing, and I thank you all for your constructive criticism.

Stephen

btw mneary i was,nt asking for anything i seldom do lol

Codevisionavr & Avrstudio 4.18
Easyavr5A-Jtagicemk1

Call me Pedantic, But not after 9.

if Milk_Brilliant
else Codevision_Avrs==Better

Last Edited: Thu. Nov 30, 2006 - 10:38 PM
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Hi Stephen

Keep persevering - maybe Dean (being an Aussie) hasn't come across many people from the North West UK!

Although it doesn't make a real difference at the end of the day, spending a bit of time:
- constructing posts with nice short sentences
- using correct punctuation (sentences start with a capital letter, the apostrophe is the character to the right of the ; on the keyboard etc)
...will help your reputation on the forum greatly.

Get your LEDs flashing and your UART UARTing with some simple programs and come back here when there's things you've tried and can't understand and we're all happy to help.

Martin
PS There, although I mentioned the Aussies, I never mentioned the cricket once! Roll on 2.5 hours time!

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Would all members of the Society for the Preservation of the Apostrophe please put their hand up?
There is a great book http://www.eatsshootsandleaves.com/esl.html by Lynne Truss that helps.
C.H.
PS. In Oz it's wombats, not pandas - eats[,] roots and leaves!

C. H.
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It's only waste if you don't use it!

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I hope you don’t mind me addressing you as dean as it appears the done thing, and I thank you all for your constructive criticism.

Certainly not! I put my first name only on my posts as an encouragement to the members here to use it. We're all friends here.

I was trying to be humorous in my last post, while indicating that readable sentences are appreciated around here. Having read the examples cited however, your post looks like perfectly constructed English by comparison!

Start slow, and build on your knowledge. Make some simple LED games (like my "Simple Simon" project I made to test my understanding of timers and state machines a long time ago) and only then try to move on to the harder stuff.

Good luck getting it all working. I've never had any real trouble with the IDE, but I can try to help out. Post your questions/problems here and we'll be happy to help you out.

Cheers!
- Dean :twisted:

Make Atmel Studio better with my free extensions. Open source and feedback welcome!

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Mr Blonde,
I think you are going to well with all the encouraging posts here.
Tinkering with flashing LEDs is useful to prove the development process. Once you have that cracked then all else is incremental.
Even those Bristle Boys give good advice, even if their usual reaction to a space in a sentence is not ',', but mines a pint!