Change of Eagle Ownership and Licences

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@microcarl

 

Diptrace supports Linux(WINE).

 

THere is a Freeware version if you want to take it for a spin.

 

Jim
 

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microcarl wrote:

ka7ehk wrote:

I've not been able to figure out from the Eagle web site - If you purchased (big money, like MicroCarl - mea culpa)  a previous version and do not "upgrade", is there anything preventing you from continuing to use that now "old" version?

 

Jim

I can still use my copy of Eagle 5 - on a Windows machine.  The Eagle 5 license is perpetual, as long as you have the original CD and license key.  But...  I only have one Windows machine left - every other machine has been moved over to Linux and I really want this last machine running Linux, but not until I have decent design & development tools running on Linux.  I had been considering shelling out that second $995.00 for the Linux version of Eagle.  But that won't happen now!

 

So the question is, do the new Eagle owners still offer a free evaluation version that allowed 100mm X 40mm board size?  In a lot of instances, PCB's are 100mm X 40mm, or less.  So the evaluation could still be a viable option for smaller projects.  Many times, I'll place several smaller (but different) board patterns on a single 4" X 6" PCB blank so as not to waste PCB board material.

Does it run under WINE?

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jaydhall wrote:
Does it run under WINE?
Yes for versions 5 and 6; last test was about a year ago.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=698

 

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Here is a pricing matrix courtesy of http://hackaday.com/2017/01/19/a...

 

 

It doesn't say, but I assume the "Free" one also has non-commercial restriction.

Bob.

Last Edited: Thu. Jan 26, 2017 - 03:35 PM
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jporter wrote:
Most serious board designers vet their own footprints, so this is a minor annoyance.
That's what ones at Olimex did to some of their footprints in KiCad to match their automated PCBA process.

jporter wrote:
The nice thing is that KiCad stores the files in a human readable format.
Olimex's KiCad component libraries don't have any AVR but do have a PIC10 and a PIC16.

Olimex's KiCad footprints have a 0.65mm pitch BGA (for a 64-bit ARM Cortex-A53)

 

P.S.

Ones at Olimex started small with KiCad for new designs but worked their way up to a complex multi-layer PCB design; took them about one year.

 


https://olimex.wordpress.com/2016/08/26/olimex-kicad-components-libraries-are-uploaded-on-github/

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... again we did these as the KiCAD default libraries are made up to vendor datasheets and may not work well in our own production process.

To give you example: TQFP 0.5 mm step ICs per datasheet must have 0.3 mm width pads with 0.2 mm spaces between the pads, but using our process this yields in lot of shorts, so we made them with 0.25 mm pads width and 0.25 mm space, the 120 um thick stencils we use give best yield with 0.23 mm pad opening for solder paste – this may be not optimal for other manufacturer process who use other thickness stencils etc. BUT it works best for our technology and process based on our experience and tests.

...

https://github.com/OLIMEX/KiCAD/blob/master/KiCAD_Components/OLIMEX_IC.lib 

https://github.com/OLIMEX/KiCAD/tree/master/KiCAD_Footprints/OLIMEX_IC-FP.pretty

https://olimex.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/a64-olinuxino-64-bit-arm-oshw-designed-completely-with-kicad-is-live/

https://olimex.wordpress.com/tag/kicad/

https://github.com/OLIMEX?language=kicad

 

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microcarl wrote:

ka7ehk wrote:

I've not been able to figure out from the Eagle web site - If you purchased (big money, like MicroCarl - mea culpa)  a previous version and do not "upgrade", is there anything preventing you from continuing to use that now "old" version?

 

Jim

I can still use my copy of Eagle 5 - on a Windows machine.  The Eagle 5 license is perpetual, as long as you have the original CD and license key.  But...  I only have one Windows machine left - every other machine has been moved over to Linux and I really want this last machine running Linux, but not until I have decent design & development tools running on Linux.  I had been considering shelling out that second $995.00 for the Linux version of Eagle.  But that won't happen now!

 

So the question is, do the new Eagle owners still offer a free evaluation version that allowed 100mm X 40mm board size?  In a lot of instances, PCB's are 100mm X 40mm, or less.  So the evaluation could still be a viable option for smaller projects.  Many times, I'll place several smaller (but different) board patterns on a single 4" X 6" PCB blank so as not to waste PCB board material.

 

Free version of Eagle is now 80mm x 80mm.  It used to be 100 x 100.

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I know KiCad is free, but I thought I would post the prices for the software I use.

 

 

Jim

I would rather attempt something great and fail, than attempt nothing and succeed - Fortune Cookie

 

"The critical shortage here is not stuff, but time." - Johan Ekdahl

 

"Step N is required before you can do step N+1!" - ka7ehk

 

"If you want a career with a known path - become an undertaker. Dead people don't sue!" - Kartman

"Why is there a "Highway to Hell" and only a "Stairway to Heaven"? A prediction of the expected traffic load?"  - Lee "theusch"

 

Speak sweetly. It makes your words easier to digest when at a later date you have to eat them ;-)  - Source Unknown

Please Read: Code-of-Conduct

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dksmall wrote:

Free version of Eagle is now 80mm x 80mm.  It used to be 100 x 100.

Both wrong. It used to be 100 x 80 mm (half euroboard), now it is 80 cm².

Stefan Ernst

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sternst wrote:

dksmall wrote:

Free version of Eagle is now 80mm x 80mm.  It used to be 100 x 100.

Both wrong. It used to be 100 x 80 mm (half euroboard), now it is 80 cm².

 

I missed the cm², so that's about 89mm for a square board, but it allows you to make longer skinnier board if needed.

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80 square cm? That is not so terrible, but not great. That is a square board 8.9cm on a side (3.5" on a side, more or less).

 

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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Jim,

 

That is the same as it has always been... 100mm x 80mm. Except it is unclear if the marketing people could not fit those two fixed maximum dimensions in their advertising summary so they "did the math" and came up with 80cm2. As far as I know you cannot exceed either the 100mm or the 80mm limits. So same as before.

 

Ross (long time user, but probably jumping ship soonish)

Ross McKenzie ValuSoft Melbourne Australia

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valusoft wrote:

Jim,

 

That is the same as it has always been... 100mm x 80mm. Except it is unclear if the marketing people could not fit those two fixed maximum dimensions in their advertising summary so they "did the math" and came up with 80cm2. As far as I know you cannot exceed either the 100mm or the 80mm limits. So same as before.

 

Ross (long time user, but probably jumping ship soonish)

 

Previously the free version of Eagle had restriction of 100mm wide by 80mm  high.

Also, I have seen screen shots from an Eagle version ('Maker' if I remember correctly)  where you set the desired X  and Y dimensions of your PCB and so long as it was below the area threshold you were good to go.

I suspect this is how it is with the v8 freeware.  Personally I keep away from new releases until around  the x.4 version as there are many bugs prior to then. It is turning out to be the case with v8. There are plenty of silly errors being highlighted.

 

(@all) The freeware version can open a previous design of any size and you can produce the gerbers for that design.  Should you have commenced a subscription, you need to connect to Autodesk at least every 14 days to maintain your functionality at the level you subscribed to. If you do not, the software drops back to Freeware mode. In that mode you don't have to connect to Autodesk every 14 days. There is one remaining gotcha. Should your PC die and you need to rebuild it, then you will need to connect to Autodesk to download the free version again. You revisit and download using  the Autodesk account you created when you first downloaded v8. The concern is that you may not be able to reach Autodesk on that day. You may have saved and backed up the original freeware you down loaded but that software once re-installed will still require you to go on line once to permit its use. So there remains the situation where you will not be able to access your Eagle designs. This does not happen with versions earlier that v8 so keep that software safe for this scenario.

 

Moa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Last Edited: Sat. Jan 28, 2017 - 11:17 PM
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valusoft wrote:

They could simply stop supporting that version... following on from M$'s lead.

 

Well, I do own a licensed copy of Eagle, version 5.  CADSoft stopped supporting v5 when v6 came out !  But they would've been quite pleased to relieve me of another $1,000.00 for the upgrade to v6 or v7...

You can avoid reality, for a while.  But you can't avoid the consequences of reality! - C.W. Livingston

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I went to the Cadsoft site (which directs you to AutoDesk) and hunted around for the 7.x downloads.  I figured I might as well get all my machines up to the last legal version I can run, which would be 7.7.  Well you won't find it on the website anywhere.  I search in the support forum where many users where asking the same thing, and Jorge has posted the ftp site for all the downloads - ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program

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microcarl wrote:

CADSoft stopped supporting v5 when v6 came out !

 

But that's very common; supporting old versions of software is nigh-on impossible for companies.

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dksmall wrote:

 Jorge has posted the ftp site for all the downloads - ftp.cadsoft.de/eagle/program

 

Thanks much for the link.  I went and grabbed 7.7.  I don't suppose you have the changelog from 7.6 to 7.7, do you?  Ah well...

 

What really terrifies me (and this may give those from AutoDesk who read these things a horrible idea) is that they'll just quietly tweak all the user-uploaded libraries and ULPs so that they refuse to work with previous versions.  I had for many years a complete (unlimited, autorouter, everything) copy of 4.12, but I eventually got totally sick of downloading what looked like a cute new part library only to be told "Doesn't work with this version".

 

Note that in no place was it mentioned exactly what revision of Eagle the library was compatible with before downloading it.  You could only pray and try.

 

And by then the fully-paid-up version  was old enough that it wasn't worth any credit at all on the upgrade.  Oh well...

 

S.

 

PS - I've never sent out an autorouted board to production.  Despite having it, and occasionally using it mostly for grins, I've always ripped up everything it did and re-layed all the traces by hand.  I.

 

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