".....without a single program line !"

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wek wrote:
PS. Maybe time to get rid of the "ERROR" from that picture, even if it is just a picture...
Ah, it's away now. Much better :-D

JW

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Good Luck Mike! I couldnt write a complicated program like that, but I think many have been waiting for one like it for years. If it takes off and becomes the Silver Bullet that stmulates/revives the electronics hobby like the MITS Altair did, you'll have Tiger by The Tail like Bill and Paul back in the day.

Imagecraft compiler user

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How is this all that much different than AlgoBuilder?

http://www.algrom.net

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I've always thought that these visual program concepts were cool, but they seemed to fail on a couple of fronts.
1. You don't get any specs for the various elements
I'm not much of a programmer, but it seems to me that in the AVR world, performance and resource usage are major factors. You have a lot of control in assembler, and somewhat less in C. The visual concepts seem a lot more 'abstracted'. How do you relate the diagram to what's really going on?
2. You're stuck with their graphic editor and however well it works. No more using your favorite text editor to write the code.
3. In this case, no hint of how you might add some regular C or asm to the mix

However, it always seems like a good idea -- many times I start from some kind of visualazation of what as needed, as do others that I've known. It would be nice if someone could make this work, but I don't see anything too promising in this writeup.

Just my humble .02

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Sorry guys

We have (as usual) unfortunately underestimated the time consumption to create documentation, help files etc. for this project.

Release date is postponed until the 1. November 2009

A Norwegian proverb says:

"Do not sell the fur before the bear is shot !"

But do not worry:

"The one who waits for something good, not waiting in vain. "

Mike

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OK, standard reaction from a crowd of programmers.

Now, for some Electronics or Mechanical Engineer somewhere who needs something a bit stronger than a PLC, but with no experience w/uC's, might be useful.

An Arduino would be even more useful, however as laughable as "No Programming Required" is, at least someone is taking an idea and running with it.

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Hola Mike:: shock:
soy nuevo en esta pagina y en el foro.
He leido por casualidad "Sin una linea solo programa", me encanta la idea de laprogaramacion en bloques de función. desde hace 2 años, busco como aprender a programar en "C" para los AVR pero sin resultados. Aca en Ecuador no son muy a populares como los "PIC" de Microchip. : twisted:
Insisto genial lo de la Programación no quito merito A LOS progarmas pero la vida DEBE SER "Así de sencillo". : lol:
Gracias y espero que alguien me ayude con esto de la programación. solo soy aficionado pero quiero hacerlo bien. : wink:

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Whilst looking for some propellor info, came across a remarkably similar project:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d...

Now, I don't want to use the dreaded pword, however the propellor is an interesting beast, and it looks like this guy has an interesting visual programming project.
Note though, this 12blocks starts about 3 minutes into the video, and this guy is apparently a fulltime prop developer(?).

Not sure how useful this will ultimately be for either project. One would think that for non-Arduino folks, if you can get an AVR running, then you are already at a level of technical sophistication that means you can find a free compiler or Basic and use it.

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No-one here is a fan of 'SCRATCH' by MIT then? My daughter likes it :)

Hmm... perhaps the world isn't ready for SCRATCH_AVR yet?

Cheers,

Joey

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Update: "release date delayed until end of February 2010"

JW

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Is this a Microsoft product? ;-)

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Now honestly: did ALL the products you were involved in, get out of the door in time? :-)

JW

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did ALL the products you were involved in, get out of the door in time?

No but our company had a completely different strategy to M$ (and seemingly the authors of this code generator) in that we kept new product development entirely secret (in fact to paranoid levels) then tried to amaze the press/public by delivering the finished product at major trade shows/exhibitions having even seeded the major electrical retailers in the UK (Currys/Dixons) with a limited amount of early production so end users could even go out and buy one that day. The first the public knew of our product was the day it launched - we never pre-announced anything - it only disappoints when late and often it can have a detrimental effect on sales of the current product.

Now it's true that we might have been working towards a deadline of having it at a September trade show for mass sales over the Christmas period when development/production was delayed and we ended up launching in the Spring (sadly to reduced sales) but the journos/public were never aware of this. They just saw it once it was ready.

BTW the products I'm talking about were these:

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/cliff....

I was involved in the development of all of them and was even project manager for several.

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Hey, I had one of those. That was a very nice machine although pricey and not very popular here. It was my main CPM development system for years.

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Apparently, it's still February in Trondheim... :-D

(Sorry, I know it's naughty, I just couldn't resist... I understand the delay, I am just curious where will this go).

JW

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Right now, setting a release date of April 1st would be fairly safe. When that time comes, there is the element of "total deniability" to use if the thing is not ready for RTM. :wink:

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

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[quite some time passed by...]

Anybody knows what happened to this project (http://www.avrtools.no/ )?

JW

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The site proudly proclaims...

"Forget bytes, bits and registers. Forget assembly and C code."

Looks like all embedded programmers are just a relics now!

I wonder if Burger King is still hiring, or do they have a automaton flipping burgers now as well?

Brad

I Like to Build Stuff : http://www.AtomicZombie.com

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Just registered for "AVRTools" newsletter. Lets see if anything shows up!

My first thought was a graphic software creator for AVRs that was around maybe two years ago. (Probably a bit older than that). But, on closer look, LabView seems like a closer analog. Given my experience with LabView, that is Not A Good Thing (tm).

The User Manual and the product brochure have either been removed from the AVRTools download page or were never there. Ditto downloadable software.

Jim

Jim Wagner Oregon Research Electronics, Consulting Div. Tangent, OR, USA http://www.orelectronics.net

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Anybody knows what happened to this project (http://www.avrtools.no/ )?

They all went to work for Cypress http://www.cypress.com/?id=2492&source=header
when they learned that the best software is actually hardware.

As for graphical programming, I have used Agilent Vee for years and find I can think better in pictures, must be all those years reading comics.

GK

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Klave wrote:
[...]find I can think better in pictures, must be all those years reading comics.
So, do the characters represent data, and you write statements into the bubbles?

JW

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And does it say KABOOOM on the screen when you blow up something?

Stealing Proteus doesn't make you an engineer.

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I would LOVE such IDE! :-P

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For someone involved with PLC, SCADA and IEC61311 languages, this is probably not a secret or some new visual tool. It looks like authors of this software want to implement a simple version of IEC61311 CFC (Continous Flow Chart). Advanced version of it can be found as an add on for Siemens Simatic Step 7 and also some other brand tools. You put logic blocks on your sheets, and each block has inputs on the left and outputs on the right. Very handy for visual runtime monitoring of data flow, since you usually group your logic on one sheet and it is easy to follow links to other sheets. Now, imagine that logic blocks can be made in any language and you get the idea of possibilities. For example, when you have 30.000 wires in 7 PLCs, it is very hard to write good quality software without some higher abstraction level that for example CFC can provide. It can also ease maintenance a lot.
https://www.automation.siemens.c...
http://forum.e-lab.de/attachment...

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It's been one year now, the website is still there unchanged.

I understand that the project is over, I just hope Mike Olsen or anybody else who is behind it is OK.

JW

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It's still alive! And due September 2012.

http://avrtools.no/Main.asp?page=2

JW

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"release date delayed until end of Desember 2012"

Big things don't come easily.

JW

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Remember AS5, eh? :twisted:

As of January 15, 2018, Site fix-up work has begun! Now do your part and report any bugs or deficiencies here

No guarantees, but if we don't report problems they won't get much of  a chance to be fixed! Details/discussions at link given just above.

 

"Some questions have no answers."[C Baird] "There comes a point where the spoon-feeding has to stop and the independent thinking has to start." [C Lawson] "There are always ways to disagree, without being disagreeable."[E Weddington] "Words represent concepts. Use the wrong words, communicate the wrong concept." [J Morin] "Persistence only goes so far if you set yourself up for failure." [Kartman]

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JohanEkdahl wrote:
Remember AS5, eh? :twisted:

http://www.avrtools.no/ 
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So this might be a secret pre-announcement of AS9 :wink:

/Bingo

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Thank you for your continued interest ... and I'm alive!

But the project was closed down because it was just too big for one person to deal with!

But do not despair, started it up again, and expect to be finished end of December 2012.

Some new features have been added, among other FAT32 flash disk and automatic schematic drawings.

Keep an eye on www.avrtools.no for news and status

Mike

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Back in 2009, JohanEkdahl wrote:
Maybe the discussion will be more interesting when someone outside AVR Tools has had a chance to test it.
The avrtools.no website now says, "Beta testers wanted!"

JW

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avrtools.no wrote:
...Scheduled release: Mars 1, 2014 !

Anybody here beta-testing and could report with the impressions?

JW

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If this ever works, its Bad News for c programmers worldwide. PointyHaired managers would like to be able to dictate a loose program spec and get a robot to generate error free code. This will require a breakthru in EKG FFT anaylsys to perfect the 'do what I mean' decoding necessary. In the meantime, c programmers should form a Union and get some Thugs with Baseball Bats to negotiate for our jobs.

Imagecraft compiler user

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Posted: Oct 22, 2009 - 03:45 AM
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We need help!

Beta version of the user interface for Windows will soon be ready, and we are looking for people who can test the software!

Today's date Feb 08, 2014, it gets pushed back by a month or more at every deadline.
https://www.avrfreaks.net/index.p...

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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Ah, I missed that thread. Thanks, John for the report.

JW

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As of 19.6.2014, avrtools.no wrote:
AVRtools is now complete and ready to download !

A free trial is advertised under the downloads. Anybody tried?

JW

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Not very likely :-)

Quote:
Price:
Standard Version : 99 USD (release date 16.June 2014)
Professional Version: 149 USD (release date 23.June 2014)

John Samperi

Ampertronics Pty. Ltd.

www.ampertronics.com.au

* Electronic Design * Custom Products * Contract Assembly

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I checked today and the website appears to be down.

 

Anybody knows of the fate of this endeavour?

 

Thanks,

 

JW

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Nothing new from author on Facebook for several years.

https://www.facebook.com/AVRtool...

You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

I've never met a pig I didn't like, as long as you have some salt and pepper.

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