awneil 
It's got a SAMD21 (ARM Cortex-M0+) and the Atmel EDBG Embedded Debugger. So you could use it just as a straight dev board - without any of the Arduino stuff.
Or use it as an Arduino, if you prefer.
awneil 
stevech 
price guess: $50
Wish it were more than a Cortex M0 with just 32KB RAM. Price delta small.
awneil Wish it were more than a Cortex M0 with just 32KB RAM.
:shock: :D
Really cool this board...
For me will be a good intro to the arduino and ARM world...
I am very curious how the proprietary debug chip will fit into the arduino open-source-hardware philosophy.
(as someone pointed out, at the moment BOTH chips seem to be unavailable for mortals.)
(Hmm. Also curious how they'll do debugging in the Arduino IDE...)
awneil I am very curious how the proprietary debug chip will fit into the arduino open-source-hardware philosophy.
westfw wrote:I am very curious how the proprietary debug chip will fit into the arduino open-source-hardware philosophy.
I don't do Arduino - so forgive me if I'm mistaken - but, AIUI, Arduino just uses a serial port & bootloader; it has no real debug facilities as such.
So, as far as Arduino is concerned, the EDBG chip can just be ignored :?:
I'm not an Arduino guy too, but yesterday I read a bit of Arduino.
As I understood, and see, the firmware within the bootloader is available to download and ypu can program in your own board, so probably the firmware for the debug chip will be avaliable too.
About the debug of this board, it seems that Atmel did: Atmel’s Embedded Debugger (EDBG). So it's a new type of debug, as it said not only via serial port the debug can be done.
It CAN be ignored, but this is an Arduino product with a blatant debug chip. It would be conceivable that the arduino IDE would get some sort of debug capability as a result. (raising additional OSSW questions, since I didn't think Atmel documented their debugger communications protocol, either.)
(BTW, I think "how do you add debugging support for the class of user that makes up the arduino community" is a very interesting question!)
clawson 
If the Arduino IDE suddenly sprouted "debug" how are you gonna explain to the other 99% of Arduino users "sorry, you don't get to play with this fancy feature"? No, surely the intention is that you only play the EDBG game in the AS6 arena?
meolsen 
I didn't think Atmel documented their debugger communications protocol, either.
The EDBG is CMSIS-DAP compliant for all ARM chips, so it should work as any other CMSIS debugger for ARM. AVR is another story, but the wrapping commands are given, and avrdude has implemented the programming subset as far as I know.
awneil The question which occurs to me is: What, now, is the point of the Xplained-Pro stuff :?:
Why bother with a proprietary scheme (Xplained/Pro) rather than the "open" Arduino "shield" scheme?
Seems that ST have already beaten Atmel to this bandwagon with their Nucleo range...
meolsen
proprietary scheme (Xplained/Pro)
What, now, is the point of the Xplained-Pro stuff
rather than the "open" Arduino "shield" scheme?
awneil Quote:Well, to start it's not proprietary.proprietary scheme (Xplained/Pro)
I was thinking in the sense of "different from everyone else" - not (specifically) "closed".
Only the EDBG chip itself is.
Quote:Cheap dev boards for our devices...?What, now, is the point of the Xplained-Pro stuff
Quote:rather than the "open" Arduino "shield" scheme?
meolsen
I was thinking in the sense of "different from everyone else" - not (specifically) "closed".
And the ID scheme?
We are working on getting it more accessible from a software standpoint though.
awneil Sorry - "Proprietary" was a poor choice of word.
meolsen
Sorry - "Proprietary" was a poor choice of word.
I mean, what is the point of having both the Xplained format and the Arduino format? Seems like unnecessary duplication?
awneil Certainly seems to be the way ST are going with their Nucleo boards:
http://www.st.com/web/en/press/p3526
[img]http://www.st.com/web/en/fragment/press/product_press_release/press_imag...
I think the number of people who would reject a board due to "arduino compatibility" is smaller than the number of people that might be attracted by that compatibility.
awneil Especially if it's supported in Atmel Studio for "native" (ie, non-Arcuino) development
bloody-orc 
STM too has 2 series of eval boardds. both discovery and nucleo. so why are you bashing Atmel for having Xplained boards for proffessionals and Arduino line support (mostly from third party anyway) for hobbyists? There is a LOT an Xplained board can do that Arduinos can't/won't do and in the forseeable future will not.
stevech Will the Zero go the same route as the LPC-based mbed, where 2+ years after introduction, there remained a lack of a stable TCP/IP stack for the ethernet on-board?
david.prentice I would agree that the MBED has not taken off to the extent that Arduino did. Mind you, I don't think that the DUE has sold very many either.
Regarding MBED libraries. Things are open source. So enthusiastic users can develop or improve. This would be to the benefit of all LPC customers.
Manufacturer-supplied sample code from Texas, ST, NXP, Freescale is fairly comprehensive. Somehow, I get the feeling that the manufacturers don't want their 'Wizards' to be too portable. They want to lock you into their particular silicon.
David.
awneil STM too has 2 series of eval boardds. both discovery and nucleo.
Note that ST also provide a set of headers on a sensible, standard pitch - so you're not tied to just Arduino "shields"
so why are you bashing Atmel
Xplained boards for proffessionals and Arduino ... for hobbyists?
There is a LOT an Xplained board can do that Arduinos can't/won't do
Quote:
There is a LOT an Xplained board can do that Arduinos can't/won't doReally? Such as
awneil There is a LOT an Xplained board can do that Arduinos can't/won't do
Really? Such as :?:
Wireless sensor network, wireless stacks to connect right to the Atmel's transceivers. This one thing that I remember...
awneil Xplained boards for proffessionals and Arduino ... for hobbyists?
Don't see why there needs to be that distinction
eg, see: http://www.element14.com/communi...
Xplained boards for proffessionals and Arduino ... for hobbyists?
awneil "Professional" eval boards are what you buy when the company you work for has picked a chip for you ... and funding is available.
But when the "pro" version is an Xplained or Discovery or Launchpad, there's very little - if anything - to choose between that and something Arduino-like...
:shock: :shock: :shock:
I'm thinking that our discussion here are the same to argue about politics, religion or soccer, each one had a point...
zoomcityzoom 
I've created an Arduino Due schematic symbol and footprint for Altium. I've dropped the Due into two designs for work projects so far. One was a 5-channel 2-quadrant power supply with local and remote current monitoring using the TI INA226 over I2C for a customers HALT test hardware. Using the Due allowed me to focus on the hardware design and quickly put together the test firmware which consisted of a command execution processor for a PC serial console. The Due was a nice match for this 2 piece production run. It also enabled me to jump to the next client's project more quickly. I don't know about you, but I find that making the transition from hardware (design, schematic capture, PCB layout, assembly) to firmware takes a bit longer than it used to take me. After doing firmware for a month, I stare at the PCB editor for a few minutes, while the keystrokes and commands slowly come back into focus.
I look forward to learning more about this new Arduino.
awneil The saga of the Arduino Zero (and Arduino Zero Pro) continues here: https://www.avrfreaks.net/forum/a...
