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 Posted: May 04, 2007 - 02:05 PM |
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My kit (AVRDEVKIT1) arrived after ~2 weeks backordered. Unbeatable deal!
I wish Atmel would release more Dragon documentation 'into the wild' (I know it's available in AVR studio.) Kinda feel like a beta tester... |
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Posted: May 04, 2007 - 02:14 PM |
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dmonn wrote:
(I know it's available in AVR studio.)
In what sense is that "not released" then? Or are you suggesting that they make the .chm available as a separate download?
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Posted: May 04, 2007 - 02:33 PM |
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Dummie wrote:
Mine shipped today also. Ill probably ask u all for help as soon as i get it since i don't know much about programming AVRs. I already have a question, can I fix my poor broken butterfly using the stk ? I have the fuse bits messed up because of batteries that were dying. From what people told me i need a programmer, will stk do the job ?
It definitely will get you up and running again.
So would either the JTAGICE mkII or the Dragon. (whichever one you ordered...) |
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Posted: May 04, 2007 - 03:09 PM |
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clawson wrote:
dmonn wrote:
(I know it's available in AVR studio.)
In what sense is that "not released" then? Or are you suggesting that they make the .chm available as a separate download?
Well, for one thing, I'll have to install AVR Studio just for the documentation, even if I intend to use the Dragon w/avrdude in Linux...
Given the widespread distribution of stk500 PDFs, etc., AND the fact that the Dragon has been released for some time...it's a bit odd. I'm a firm believer that greater distribution of documentation isn't only helpful, it's an incentive to purchace a product (The digikey deal overcame any reluctance I might have had.) |
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Posted: May 04, 2007 - 11:31 PM |
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Maximilian wrote:
My order was placed the 23 of april and i just got a mail with the ups tracking number huray!!!, sounds a lot better than the end of May!!
They better ship my order placed on Apr 25th before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip. Microchip currently is running a 16bit design contest which you can buy a ICD2 + starter board for 99USD. Sounds a better deal to me.
I'm regreting just ordered AVR dragon+stk500. I should ordered icemkII which can be used with AVR32 as well. I don't want to wait until Jun 28th if I order it now. |
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Posted: May 05, 2007 - 12:14 AM |
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Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.
Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!! |
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Posted: May 05, 2007 - 04:39 AM |
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microcarl wrote:
gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.
Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!!
You won't gain anything. I'm not cancelling my order of STK500+Dragon. Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses. |
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Posted: May 05, 2007 - 02:12 PM |
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UPS will deliver my pacage(STK/Dragon) today, have been lying behind the door since 8:00 (+1 european time)
Will report later when i finally have it
Dummie wrote:
Can I fix my poor broken butterfly using the stk ? I have the fuse bits messed up because of batteries that were dying. From what people told me i need a programmer, will stk do the job ?
The STK500 supports different kinds of programming(isp/high voltage) so it will be pretty safe to say it can with a fuse problem.
There are a lot of posts/fixes about this problem |
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Posted: May 05, 2007 - 02:40 PM |
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gongzi wrote:
Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.
So then, as an avid Microchip proponent and, as it seems that you (your company) mind/s is (are) already made up, what was your attraction to the AVR in the first place?
I mean, here you are with a whole two posts to the AVRFreaks community and, you bust in with statements that will only start the hibitual AVR/Microchip war - a war tht has been waging for years and will never be victorious by ether side as, I think PICs suck and, you think AVRs suck. Those opinions aren't going to change. So, if your tenure with the AVRFreaks community is going to be that of AVR bashing, go over to the PIC community and bash AVR - not here! |
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Posted: May 05, 2007 - 10:41 PM |
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Location: Thessaloniki, Greece
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gongzi wrote:
microcarl wrote:
gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.
Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!!
You won't gain anything. I'm not cancelling my order of STK500+Dragon. Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.
I am trying to understand your methodology gongzi, but I am failing to do so.
What are you saying to your customer ? I choose supplier X because .... ???? |
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Posted: May 06, 2007 - 03:53 PM |
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lpapad wrote:
gongzi wrote:
microcarl wrote:
gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.
Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!!
You won't gain anything. I'm not cancelling my order of STK500+Dragon. Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.
I am trying to understand your methodology gongzi, but I am failing to do so.
What are you saying to your customer ? I choose supplier X because .... ????
First of all, I have no problem with either AVR or PIC. I don't intend to start a WAR.
Both AVR and PIC code will be written in this case. So either one of them can be used during production. However, primary and backup will be recommended to production and it won't be changed in short term. There were lessons learned in long run. i.e. Vendor did increasing the mature products' price to force customer move to their newer products and it gets extremely hard to buy older products. I'm talking about something like over 10 years period. i.e. we are still using PIC16C57. Not 16c57c, not 16F57. It's priced twice as 57c and 6 times as f57. It would be nice to have a backup in this case. |
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Posted: May 06, 2007 - 04:34 PM |
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Location: Wisconsin USA
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There are certain app areas where simple changes (of chip models) are important or a stumbling block, such as qualified medical devices. I don't play in that arena.
Beyond that, having any model available for 10 years nowadays -- any chip -- is a pipe dream IMO. Right now, for example, there are virtually no identical chips available from 3 to 5 years ago, as now they have all been shifted to lead-free/ROHS.
We are still supporting and repairing 20-year-old industrial devices, often substituting active chip models for those that are obsolete. Sometimes it does require a board change if we need to/want to change packages. The end result is often a less-expensive board that makes up for the redesign.
Re Atmel/AVR: the good ol' AT90Sxxxx from 10 years ago are long gone. You can't get an AT90S2313 or AT90S4433 or AT90S8515 or AT90S8535 anymore. For some of them it has been many years. But I have many models that I can drop into those processor slots without redoing the board; they are less expensive; they have more features.
IMO it is quite interesting designing for two dissimilar families, and then talk about the exact same model. It would seem like "generic" app code wouldn't take advantage of the plusses of each family.
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Posted: May 07, 2007 - 07:36 PM |
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Maximilian wrote:
UPS will deliver my package(STK/Dragon) today, have been lying behind the door since 8:00 (+1 european time)
Will report later when i finally have it
Well it took a little bit longer....But it's here!!
Looks great, packaging by Digikey is great, everything was labeled very nicely.
STK500 looks great to, now i have to find an adapter somwhere.....
Let the programming begin!!! |
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Posted: May 07, 2007 - 08:26 PM |
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gongzi wrote:
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Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.
I'm having trouble understanding this. So you're going to develop two boards, master two different MCU architectures, maintain two different set of development, programming, debugging tools, etc.
Is this academic or government work?
Because it doesn't seem bottom line oriented, or similar to any situations I've seen in industry. |
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Posted: May 07, 2007 - 08:32 PM |
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Maximilian wrote:
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Looks great, packaging by Digikey is great, everything was labeled very nicely.
Digikey definitely has the most excellent packaging.
I'm expecting mine within hours... |
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Posted: May 08, 2007 - 08:07 PM |
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| Just a little update. Received the Devkit1 (Dragon + STK500 combo) and the dragon was DOA ( no leds on) so called Digi-Key and because the order is for both it is required that both be shipped back for the RMA (or RFE if you like). I asked that since it was only the dragon that was at fault why not just it.The reply was that it was to keep things in the respective P/N which is for both items. |
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Posted: May 08, 2007 - 10:38 PM |
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Just got a Dragon/STK-500 also
My gragon is just blinking in one led , when connecting to USB.
But i haven't installed the "Studio" USB Drivers afaik.
Hope that it is the only thing the blinking says.
/Bingo |
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Posted: May 09, 2007 - 12:19 AM |
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digitool wrote:
Just a little update. Received the Devkit1 (Dragon + STK500 combo) and the dragon was DOA ( no leds on) so called Digi-Key and because the order is for both it is required that both be shipped back for the RMA (or RFE if you like). I asked that since it was only the dragon that was at fault why not just it.The reply was that it was to keep things in the respective P/N which is for both items.
what a bummer!! hopefully tricky Dicky City is in the USA...could be a significant wait for the replacment especially if they have no more in stock....
maybe I was just lucky but all the Devkit promotions I ordered arrived working but then again I did not order Dragons but rather JtagIce2...users handling an uninsulated pcb on the workbench and death by static charge still makes me wonder about the robustness of the Dragon product design.. assuming Atmel's vendor tests each unit prior to putting it into the box then from that point on its simply a bit of luck and having to always being careful! Still have not smoked any Atmel devtool yet nor experienced any of the various issues other Freaks seem to experience.....except I wore out the flat ribbon connector on a Jtag header. |
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Posted: May 09, 2007 - 03:24 AM |
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Well they were going to ship me a new devkit (they said they were putting me at the top of the list ) but got a call back and said there were none in stock.The lady I spoke to was real nice and I emphasized that it was just the dragon that was not working and that the STK500 was OK so tomorrow we shall see if they will just let me return the dragon.
I already have a dragon so I'm not that bummed just that I was a little surprised at first-I was setting it up at home on a new vista laptop so at first I suspected the laptop but checked it against the other one when I got to work.
As far as being in the USA - I'm a few blocks away from a presidential library(BFD) if that helps. |
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Posted: May 09, 2007 - 04:45 AM |
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users handling an uninsulated pcb on the workbench and death by static charge still makes me wonder about the robustness of the Dragon product design..
I have a little trick I use for things like that. My main customer is constantly shipping me boards for which I develop firmware, and they are never in packages.
My trick is to cut out a piece of cardboard (from the box the board came in, which is guaranteed to be big enough) and attach it to the bottom of the board using insulated solid hookup wire - by punching holes in the cardboard and then using either mounting holes on the board, or in the case of the Dragon, wrapping the wire across it to trap it, then knotting the wire.
Works fine. |
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