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 Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 04:26 PM |
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Linux is named after Linus Torvalds.
How do you pronounce the 'i' in Linus?
Is it like the 'i' in "line" or "like" or "I"
Or is it "linear" or "lick"
I have always thought it "I" because I am sure that Linus in the Peanuts cartoons is pronounced "I"
OTOH, the Norwegian Christian name could be pronounced differently to the American Christian name.
The question arises because I always pronounce Linux with "I"
Many English speakers pronounce with a "i".
Of course, I may have always got the Peanuts name wrong!!
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 04:40 PM |
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| Then there is Porsche, properly pronounced like Portia, and 'porsch' which seems to be the popular pronunciation with the nascar fans. |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 05:08 PM |
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How do you pronounce the 'i' in Linus?
Like "linear" or "lick", but a long sound. As in your name "Lee", and then a "uss". I don't think English has that "u" at all, so I do not have any example sound from an English word. It is definitively not the "u" in e.g "ultimate". I'd say, start with "oz" then reform that into a "us" in "the very front of your mouth". Did that make sense?
Oh well, of-course the man himself has supplied sound files available on the net: http://www.paul.sladen.org/pronunciation/
He has that typical Finish "accent", which I find incredibly beautiful (be it stamped on English or Swedish).
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I have always thought it "I" because I am sure that Linus in the Peanuts cartoons is pronounced "I"
Peanuts is an American cartoon. Linus Torwalds is from Finland. What makes you so definitive about names being pronounced equally in all languages? |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 05:33 PM |
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In that sound file, that 'typical' Finnish accent sounds similar to the typical Dutch English accent, which I in general find rather horrendous and unpleasant  |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 05:35 PM |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 05:55 PM |
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Shows my ignorance. I always thought he was Norwegian not Finnish !
And if I had googled, I would have found Cliff's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IfHm6R5le0 clip.
So my guess about Peanut's Linus pronunciation was correct. And if Mr Torvalds has a preferred international pronunciation of "Linux", that seems fine to me.
So remembering the days of Minix and Minix386, perhaps there was a preferred pronunciation of "Minix". I suppose I would have to find a voice-clip from Mr Tanenbaum.
There are certain words that you come across in writing but seldom in speech. As a boy, I always thought that "awry" was as in "Law" and "Entry".
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 06:16 PM |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 09:32 PM |
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I first heard that audio clip that Johan linked to back in about 1996 and I've pronounced Linus' name that way ("Lee-noose") ever since. It comes somewhat naturally since I heard Finnish somewhat frequently growing up and speak a tiny amount of it even today.
But as for the kernel, I've always pronounced it as a typical American would, with a short "i": "Lynne-icks" or "Lynne-ucks". (Think of the woman's name "Lynne".)
Coincidentally, I watched a Q&A session with Linus just yesterday, from his trip to Finland to co-receive the Millennium prize less than a week ago, and I was surprised to notice that his pronunciation of the kernel's name has evolved since 1996. In other words, he now pronounces Linux much more like I would (and like he does in the 2006-era video that Cliff linked to) and not like he used to from that 1990s-era audio clip that Johan linked to.
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I guess it has been in the news how he feels about Nvidia..
Yeah, like a lot of other folks, that one made me smile. I love a guy/gal who can "tell it like it is" with no B.S. He later humorously explained his "rude" gesture with this comment: "I like offending people because I think people who get offended should be offended." I tend to agree. |
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Posted: Jun 18, 2012 - 11:42 PM |
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meteor wrote:
It comes somewhat naturally since I heard Finnish somewhat frequently growing up and speak a tiny amount of it even today.
That's funny, as Linus is a swedish name, a lot of native Finns are not sure which way to pronounce it properly. Even I mostly pronounce it like it was a finnish name. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 12:06 AM |
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Even I mostly pronounce it like it was a finnish name.
Since I am back from holidays, lets get a convoluted circular argument started. How do you pro-nounce "finnish" with a 'i' as in "in" or a 'i' as in "Linux"....  |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 12:30 AM |
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How do you pro-nounce "finnish" with a 'i' as in "in" or a 'i' as in "Linux"...
One of each? |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 12:45 AM |
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Jepael wrote:
That's funny, as Linus is a swedish name, a lot of native Finns are not sure which way to pronounce it properly. Even I mostly pronounce it like it was a finnish name.
I went back and listened (several times) to the link of Cliff's where Linus pronounces his name in both Swedish and Finnish and I have to admit that the distinction is pretty subtle to this non-Swedish speaker. I think my pronunciation has been closer to Swedish, truth be told, but his Finnish pronunciation somehow does sound quite Finnish to my ear, even though I cannot quite explain why.
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How do you pro-nounce "finnish" with a 'i' as in "in" or a 'i' as in "Linux"....
You're too well rested now, Lee. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 02:50 PM |
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| Not sure there was an American pronunciation of "Linus" before the Peanuts Christmas Special. |
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Posted: Jun 19, 2012 - 03:46 PM |
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| I been wondering for a while now how Dean Camera's last name is pronounced... like the photographic imaging device? |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 07:26 AM |
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I been wondering for a while now how Dean Camera's last name is pronounced... like the photographic imaging device?
Yes, at least that's how we do it. I love seeing people struggle with it however, as they all must internally think "it can't sound the way I think it does" and instead over-stress the "e".
The name's Italian, so truthfully it's probably the "a" that should be stressed really.
However, when's all said and done I honestly don't mind how people pronounce it.
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 07:53 AM |
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However, when's all said and done I honestly don't mind how people pronounce it.
OK, so it's just the 'freaks username permutation that troubles you, ehhh?  |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 07:55 AM |
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| I thought it was pronounced like the Norwegian word for "triangle." |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 08:00 AM |
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| You can call me anything you like except late for dinner. |
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 08:02 AM |
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I thought it was pronounced like the Norwegian word for "triangle."
Aha, you've read my Twitter feed. I do like shouting that out when I injure myself, it confuses the locals while allowing me to blow off steam publicly...
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OK, so it's just the 'freaks username permutation that troubles you, ehhh? Wink
I reject John's assumption that I am "mini" in his infamous anagram, but I'll probably have to agree with the "c abuser" part of it...
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Posted: Jun 20, 2012 - 08:16 AM |
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| An Italian colleague just arrived to his desk in the next cubicle. He confirms thay Camera has the stress on the 'a' (a loong 'a', think "Caaamera"). |
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