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 Posted: May 23, 2012 - 07:01 PM |
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JohanEkdahl wrote:
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there's nothing like the smell/taste of Bergamot
Oh yes, there is. But the new forum rules prevents me from describing it in detail, and if I would decide to break the rules the patched forum s/w would replace the whole description with a string of asterisks. :wink:
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Posted: May 23, 2012 - 07:18 PM |
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Posted: May 23, 2012 - 08:00 PM |
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Earl Grey is acceptable; though to be honest *anything* is preferable to the vile liquor that is 'builder's tea'.
Lapsang Souchong is the prince of teas.
(Rather annoyingly BS6008:1980 appears to be available only on subscription these days...) |
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Posted: May 23, 2012 - 08:21 PM |
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| Maybe there should be a Hard Question forum and an Easy Question forum. Easy Question forum just gets the easy yes no answer. No analysis of why this processor was picked in the first place. Between the lines optimization of overall project gets done in the Hard Question forum. |
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Posted: May 23, 2012 - 11:07 PM |
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I am neither fond of Earl Grey nor Lapsang Souchong.
If a spoon cannot stand up in the cup, it must be too weak !
There is a vast throughput on AvrFreaks.
This is possibly because it is very easy to post. (Other forums prompt you before accepting a message)
Well posed questions get prompt and accurate replies.
Less well expressed questions can develop in many directions.
Those replies have taken time and effort from members.
It is not unreasonable to expect the OP to read them carefully.
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Posted: May 24, 2012 - 08:32 AM |
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How about Eric W tell us when the number of AVRs sold to Arduino in Italy exceeds the number of AVRs sold to Sirius and XM for their radio bezels.
Atmel might take descisions that some of us see as not-so-good, but (again) it would surprise me if they are plain stupid and freely gave away such business secrets. The competitors should at least spend the business-intelligence money to get to estimates of those figures. |
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Posted: May 24, 2012 - 02:20 PM |
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Unless Atmel are selling direct to the Arduino developers then how would they know anyway?
I suppose they might be now but there must have been 10's of thousands made before they became best buddies. |
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Posted: May 24, 2012 - 02:22 PM |
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Posted: May 24, 2012 - 05:56 PM |
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Or course it was okay IMHO. If anything you were excessively polite in your answer. I might answer with the question of 'Are you aware of the Electrical Characteristics section of the data sheet?' And depending on the answer either try to explain how to use that section or walk away from the thread. I'll not point to any particular egregious examples, but you and I both know that in times past some folks were a bit obnoxious about this. If I see it now, I'll contact a moderator and let him deal with it.
Again, someone who isn't a problem thinks he might be and those who are the problem don't give a youknowwhat.
Also, I'm trying to back off my crusade since things do seem to be getting better so I'd prefer to let it drop and if I see what is IMHO a problem I'll first see what the moderators think before raising any more stinks over this.
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Posted: May 24, 2012 - 10:25 PM |
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Hi All,
Late to the party, as usual. 
Good thread! A lot to really think about.
I do think that AVR Freaks is improving, though I agree that it was much better in the past. Joe, thanks for describing your experience with your class and asking questions here. I think that was very telling about the state of AVR Freaks. While the community here is improving, it still has a long way to go.
I always have a few rules of thumb that I go by when I consider posting here, or anywhere really
- Golden Rule: Treat others as you would like to be treated. Unfortunately there seems to be a group of people that don't mind being treated rudely.
- If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. This also goes for people asking for help. If you're not in a good mental / emotional state that you can't be polite and nice, then don't bother answering. An unkind answer is worse than no answer at all. Take a break; walk away.
- Don't say or write anything you wouldn't want the town parrot to overhear. You never when something will come back to haunt you.
- Don't say or write anything that you wouldn't want to say to a person's face. It's too easy to be anonymous on the internet, where repercussions are practically nil. But words do have a power to do good or harm. There's a person behind every avatar and post, even if the seem misguided or misunderstood.
These rules-of-thumb are simple and small in number, but sometimes they seem to be the hardest thing to do in the world. But they also do wonders to help keep civil relations in the world.
If there are issues of rudeness on the forums, then call people out on it. Take them to task. PM or email the moderators. I think that in the past, the moderators (including myself) would be sensitive to both sides. We don't like to "censor" other people, as that always seemed to be the hue and cry from those who would have their posts edited or removed. But, at this point, I'm ok if people leave here because they're not allowed to just spout off anything they want and they're upset with the moderators.
We have a great community here of very talented, very smart people, that also have a great sense of humor. Bad apples should not be allowed to spoil the bunch. At one point, all of us were learning this stuff. We have all asked dumb questions in our life. How else were we supposed to learn? How will the next generation learn engineering too? Yes, having patience is hard. But if you can't practice patience here, then perhaps you shouldn't try to be a teacher.
And we shouldn't dismiss those people who are learning how to do cool things with technology just because they're not a classically trained engineer, i.e. people in the Arudino community. I have seen more cool things first-hand now with what people are doing with an Arduino, and they are not engineers! But they have a lot of good, creative ideas! It's what they do with the technology, not whether their process is a more "correct" process in working with the technology. There is a space at the table for those non-engineers, who want to learn more, who want to do more.
Lastly... Honestly I could never bring myself to like Earl Grey, though I've tried. I've never had a chance to try Lapsang Souchong to form an opinion. But I really, really liked the organic Darjeeling tea that I picked up when I had a chance to visit India. And I'm a sucker for Masala Chai, anything with cinnamon in it.
So, maybe if you're coming to the Atmel Technology Live developers conference in September in San Jose, California, we can compare teas. Or perhaps beers. There will be a session on Atmel user communities, AVR Freaks and AT91.com, which I will be co-leading. |
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Posted: May 24, 2012 - 11:04 PM |
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theusch wrote:
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Hmm. So where does that leave me?
See your avatar--the Invisible Man...
I may not be invisible for much longer... |
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Posted: May 25, 2012 - 02:27 AM |
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larryvc wrote:
sydalmighty wrote:
How strong is the Applications Engineering team?
Why do you want to know?
but this is very obvious, yeah?
if i am a customer i would get a part with a strong support so everything gets easy and smooth flowing...
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Posted: May 25, 2012 - 02:50 AM |
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No, not obvious. You made 2 posts in this thread and most everybody else ignored you. Your posts are very cryptic and only somebody with a crystal ball would know why you were asking.
If you are interested in finding out more I am sure that if you asked a sensible question about Atmel you would get a good reply.
Have you gone to the Atmel website? Do you know how large a company Atmel are?
If you are in need of getting things easy and smooth flowing, I can give you a recipe for that.
I do not work for Atmel. Honestly. |
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Posted: May 25, 2012 - 02:52 AM |
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| I think it is a strange question to ask on a forum. For local support, speak to your FAE (field apps engineer). As such, I've never had to require the assistance of an Atmel FAE probably due to the AVRs being a straightforward product and they do pretty much what the datasheet says. |
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Posted: May 25, 2012 - 02:54 AM |
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I've never had to require the assistance of an Atmel FAE probably due to the AVRs being a straightforward product
...and very likely because you know MORE that the average FAE?? |
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Posted: May 25, 2012 - 05:55 AM |
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EW wrote:
I always have a few rules of thumb that I go by when I consider posting here, or anywhere really ...
Thank you.
EW wrote:
Unfortunately there seems to be a group of people that don't mind being treated rudely.
Likely most do mind though how one responds to rudeness can stop it in its tracks. "Turn the other cheek", recognize and quickly let go of anger, etc.
EW wrote:
- If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
Corollary: If you can say something nice, say it.
EW wrote:
How will the next generation learn engineering too?
The same way we most likely all did (and do). Let the smoke out, "What's that smell?", BANG!, etc. One time we were inside with the device outside in a strong wind; we noticed a trail of smoke from the device. Source - clutch, root cause - software bug. |
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Posted: May 25, 2012 - 03:19 PM |
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EW wrote:
- If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
It is a sad day when I am no longer allowed to tell a vendor they screwed up. Effectively making me the vendor's bitch. |
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Posted: May 25, 2012 - 03:34 PM |
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asf-test wrote:
EW wrote:
- If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all.
It is a sad day when I am no longer allowed to tell a vendor they screwed up. Effectively making me the vendor's bitch.
Communication is more nuanced than a binary system.
There are ways to criticize a company, a product, an action, without it devolving into ad hominem attacks, or using vulgarities. There seems to be many people who can't criticize without getting vehemently angry and feeling personally affronted, which spills into how they communicate.
The point is not the criticism itself; if there's a problem please state it. The point is civility. Keep a civil discussion here. |
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