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 Posted: Feb 22, 2012 - 11:45 PM |
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| Your thread: "Atmel misses the boat yet again ?" has been removed |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 03:05 AM |
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Do I need yet one more debugger?  |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 10:32 AM |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 10:46 AM |
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Interesting indeed!
If I am currently using a Dragon on 8-bit AVRs (typically any ATmegaX8 and AT90USB1287), and do not plan to move up to the 32-bit AVRs, what will the AVR ONE give me that I don't have?
I had a look at the product pages but the tech specs does not tell the nitty-gritty AFAICT. Any users here with opinions?
(I'm in gadget aquisition mode, and I thought that it would be a FriendlyARM kit but a sale is a sale!) |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 10:59 AM |
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If you bought one for $600 last week and it is now $200 this week exactly how "ripped off" do you feel now?  |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 12:54 PM |
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Sounds unresistable.
Is there any reason why they lowered the price to its original 1/3?
Will it get no further support? |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 01:14 PM |
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| I think a SAM ICE programmer is a much better investment if you already have good development tools for the 8 bit AVRs. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 01:50 PM |
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| I would love to see a special on the JTAG MKII myself |
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I have decided that I am no longer going to plan anything in advance. In a court of law this is called Pre-Meditated, and does not look good for the defense.....
Timer function not working properly? Check CLKDIV8 Fuse first
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 03:05 PM |
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I would love to see a special on the JTAG MKII myself
But the AVR One! is superior in every sense and currently $100 less than a JTAGICEmkII - why wouldn't you simply buy the One! ? In fact I wonder how many people reading that site are going to realise? They may see the mkII as the most expensive of all the debuggers and mistakenly believe it must be the one to have. It also, presumably will not be clear why you'd buy the One! in preference to the similarly priced ICE3 either.
(wonder what Digikey ($622) make of their own supplier undercutting them by so much ? ) |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 03:23 PM |
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| WEll it's not high on my list of priorities at the moment so pardon my ignorance. |
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I have decided that I am no longer going to plan anything in advance. In a court of law this is called Pre-Meditated, and does not look good for the defense.....
Timer function not working properly? Check CLKDIV8 Fuse first
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 04:14 PM |
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I could not resist, just ordered mine.
I used to have a mcuzone jtage ice mk2 clone.
The fw updates for that always lagged behind the official tools. Although it did not take them months, only 1-2 weeks max.
As I am developing a FreeRtos system, I think this will be a good tool to help me find some nasty bugs, if there ever will be some.
I hope they will not lower their prices again. If the jtagice3 had been reduced to half its price, I probably would have bought that. But for now, I can't wait to put my hands on this as soon as it arrives. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 06:14 PM |
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I love the "High Quality Atmel's Tools" topics. Just cannot stop myself!!!
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Is there any reason why they lowered the price to its original 1/3?
Because the ship is sinking?
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wonder what Digikey ($622) make of their own supplier undercutting them by so much ?
Indeed, does anyone know the rules of digikey in that matter?
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I hope they will not lower their prices again.
You are so Polish.
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"If you bought one for $600 last week and it is now $200 this week exactly how "ripped off" do you feel now?"
Hmm, anybody with such experiences? Perhaps a return would ease your pain. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 06:37 PM |
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| I have 3 jtagmkiis here that probably need those little tvs transplants. I wish Dean or Eric or someone would write a little jtag dignostic that would let you plug a jumper cap to the jtag plug and wiggle all the pins. They wont detect a target, so I think the miso line is shorted. I'd pay $50 to have one fixed. That's cheaper than laying out another $299. I think Arrow sold all the ones that were on special for $199. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 07:44 PM |
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Because the ship is sinking?
Because they weren't selling, due to the popularity of the JTAG-ICE3 I suspect.
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I wish Dean or Eric or someone would write a little jtag dignostic that would let you plug a jumper cap to the jtag plug and wiggle all the pins.
Ironically enough the AVR-ONE! comes with just such a function - but the schematics of the tools are only available in the Tools department, so ever I can't access them to be able to load my own firmware.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 08:15 PM |
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| The only thing that bothers me is that those MICTOR-38 headers are damn expensive. I think I'll just make myself an adapter, so I can use some cheaper header on my future designs. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 08:25 PM |
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| I'm still wondering about the advantages of the AVR ONE... |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 09:15 PM |
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I'm still wondering about the advantages of the AVR ONE...
Keeping in mind this is my personal opinion, and not that of my employer, etc.:
PROS:
1) It's made of metal. You can use it to bludgeon pidgeons to death if you get hungry.
2) It comes with a self-test jig to ensure it is working correctly
3) On AVR32 devices, it can do tracing as well as normal debugging, so you can see the call stack and get a full stack-trace
4) Nexus port interface for high speed AVR32 debugging
5) Fast operation on all programming protocols
CONS:
1) Requries an external power supply, which was a little annoying for me back with my old desk; for most people, this won't matter
2) The JTAG port connector is surface mount, and I managed to sheer mine off by having my target board fall off the table (expensive, but replaceable)
Essentially, it's equally as good as a JTAG-ICE3, but has some extra features for the AVR32 devices. If you're AVR8 only, then choose whichever sounds better.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2012 - 09:42 PM |
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Location: Sydney, Australia (Gum trees, Koalas and Kangaroos, No Edelweiss)
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| Ok I'm convinced. I DON'T need ONE! |
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 - 12:16 AM |
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Posted: Feb 24, 2012 - 12:18 AM |
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abcminiuser wrote:
3) On AVR32 devices, it can do tracing as well as normal debugging,
A (real-time) tracing dongles were always an expensive stuff. Targeted for profe$$ionals only.
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Because they weren't selling, due to the popularity of the JTAG-ICE3 I suspect.
I am sure Atmel's marketing guys are not that short-minded to know this leads to a self-spinning process which ends up with:
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Because they weren't selling, due to the popularity of AVR ONE! I suspect.
It is hard to believe it is asterisk-free..
My point is that Atmel must have had a good reason to make such decision.
Dean, come on! You must know something!
Mcuzone? You naughty boys! |
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