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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 10:24 AM |
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Well how ironic. So Britain is in a state of drought and we have hose pipe bans and now they are talking about supplying water from stand-pipes in the street. Meanwhile this was Finchingfield at 8:30 this morning:
And the following is a photo I took the other day (I should have recognised the signs of forthcoming Biblical Armageddon in the sky of this!). It shows where I normally park my cars:
That'll probably explain why I was roused from slumber at about 7:30 this morning by the slow realisation that the car alarm I could hear was MY car alarm. Rather unfortunately I had the cars parked the other way round and the main electrics of the Boxster are towards the back and underneath it - so by the time the flood water reached the door sills it was already shorting the electrics and hence the alarm. The downside is that this then prevented it from being started and, as I found out as I got down on hands and knees in the flood water: a Boxster does not have a front tow point Luckily 5 or 6 of my neighbours in wellies and waders appeared and we pushed it out. I then used my Citroen and tow rope to pull out a neighbour's van that was even deeper in the water (the inside floor was already in several inches of water). I later found out that when I knelt in the water to attach the rope which covered my trousers above the waist that I had my Android phone in my pocket and now it's not willing to talk to me any more
So do I fill some buckets now and wander around with a smug look on my face when they install the stand-pipes because of this drought?
(oh and I was so busy towing the van that I hadn't realised that the Porsche was continuing to die and it's now in the same situation as it was once before with the bonnet electrically locked and dead electrics - so no access to the charging terminals).
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 10:57 AM |
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To charge the dead battery without opening the hood you can plug the AC/DC charger into the cigarette lighter receptacle. If it's normally unpowered, turn the ignition key one or two positions clockwise.
Of course be extremely careful with AC in a wet environment! |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 11:09 AM |
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To charge the dead battery without opening the hood you can plug the AC/DC charger into the cigarette lighter receptacle.
See my previous saga - you cannot in a Porsche. There's some kind of protection that prevents charge via the cigarette lighter. Luckily I do know now where the "hidden" cable is to make a bonnet release without electrics so I've hopes for that working again. |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 11:32 AM |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 11:36 AM |
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Isn't this a fair price for the vanity?
Indeed - last time it cost me £1200 to replace the alternator. In the past I've bought entire cars for a lot less than £1200! |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 11:40 AM |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 11:47 AM |
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| One of my best was a Vauxhall Chevette for £250. It had a serious oil leak that I "bunged" with a wooden plug. I was then late for a flight out of Stansted so "thrashed" it up the motorway to get there in time not realising the plug and the oil had gone. The engine finally seized at the entry to Stansted's long stay car park. It later cost me £100 to have the wreck towed away! I also bought an MG Montego Turbo with an oil leak for £500. After an in car fire that I got "told off" for when the fire brigade came because the underside of the car was soaked in oil it later blew the main head gasket. After having that repaired one week later a supermarket delivery lorry drove into it and wrote it off completely. From insurance I got back the exact cost of having the head skimmed! Happy days. |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 12:34 PM |
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Hi Cliff,
Sorry you are having a bad day.
Some day I'll buy you a drink and tell you about the time I ran into a police car
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 12:38 PM |
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barnacle wrote:
I have never seen such ignorant rubbish. The cost of delivering water to your kitchen is largely the infrastructure.
To just consider the electricity costs of desalination is crazy.
Mind you, the current domestic pricing structure is pretty crazy too.
You can volunteer for a water meter. Only people with smaller consumption will do this. So you do not reduce the consumption in wasteful households at all.
I volunteer for a meter and get a water bill that is 25% of the previous flat-rate bill.
The Water company gets a reduced income.
I used to have some (commercial) water supplies on a private line. The water company only bills the users at their individual meters. It makes no effort to reconcile with what has entered the private line from their network.
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@Cliff,
I hope your house is still dry. We did not get a large amount of rain last night. It probably stopped at the River Thames. And I live at the top of a hill. |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 01:11 PM |
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I hope your house is still dry. We did not get a large amount of rain last night. It probably stopped at the River Thames. And I live at the top of a hill.
Our house was OK - we're on the hill to the church but that cream coloured house down by the pond looks like it only just got away with it. In the twenty years I've lived here we've had flooding like this about 5 or 6 times. On 2 occasions that house was not so lucky and had to have everything replaced/renovated. I hope the "home buyers pack" the current owners got mentioned this to them! |
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Apparently here in Aus it's the first time in years we are officially drought free everywhere. I can believe that because it's rained just about every day for months.
I hope the Boxter survives, get a 4x4 and you'll need another foot or two of water before it's a problem
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 02:22 PM |
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Cliff,
Sorry to hear your news ... but why do you park next to the pond/lake? Isn't that just tempting the deities or ducks to visit you?
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Sorry to hear your news ... but why do you park next to the pond/lake? Isn't that just tempting the deities or ducks to visit you?
It actually take a lot to flood the pond. As I say only 5/6 times in 20 years. Now the irony is that the BBC Weather service here spent all last week scare mongering saying "worst flooding for years expected" yet that turned out to be a damp squib. Then the forecast last night just said "rain expected during the night" but nothing about "Noah's bilical flood expected" so I had no idea (on previous occasions I have moved the cars to be much further from the pond). But while I was awoken at 6:30 with the car alarm my neighbours who had been awake earlier said "there was no sign of this an hour ago" so our guess is that the environment agency who control Britain's rivers opened a sluice gate further up the river to relieve pressure there and in about an hour several feet of water headed our way. |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 03:13 PM |
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Go on, Cliff. The weather forecast last night showed serious rain crossing Essex and East Anglia, but missing Kent.
And sure enough, that is what happened!
If I still lived in Suffolk, my garden would have acquired a small lake.
It is bad news when a car gets flooded. The carpets take ages to dry. With luck, that is your only damage.
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 03:18 PM |
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Hi Cliff,
Sorry you are having a bad day.
Some day I'll buy you a drink and tell you about the time I ran into a police car
JC
Ouch!
Back in '97 my wife and I got hit nearly head on by a drunk driver going the wrong way on a divided freeway. |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 03:31 PM |
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| That's quite a drought you're having there. We had one like 25 years ago, with all sorts of restrictions, but somehow, it was pouring rain any time I was outside. |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 04:22 PM |
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Sorry to hear of this unfortunate event, Cliff. I hope the damage to the car is fixable.
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 05:26 PM |
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clawson wrote:
last time it cost me £1200 to replace the alternator.
Ouch! How much of that was the part and how much was the labor?
JohanEkdahl wrote:
For £1200 you can have The Old Volvo!
For £1200, I might just fly over from the US and replace it for you, Cliff! Last time I replaced an alternator (on my aging but very functional Chevy Cavalier) it was $96 for the part and I did the work myself. I guess I've just never been "into" cars, let alone expensive ones, much preferring motorcycles, all of which is good for my wallet. I'm guessing that Johan and Nard and I would get along well, with our aging-but-functional vehicles.
I've often wondered how so many people can live without a garage for their vehicles (or who have a garage and keep so much junk in it that there's no place to park!). Even my oldest, most beat-up motorcycle is kept in a garage.
Sorry to hear of your troubles, Cliff. Here's hoping for a sunnier, drier tomorrow!
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| A Porsche alternator only costs something like £400..£500. It's the labour that costs. If you ever look at a Porsche get the driver to open both boot lids. You may be a little surprised to find that there isn't any visible sign of an engine under either of them (this is true of Boxsters, 911s, Cayennes and all the mid-engined models). So to do any work on the engine you basically have to attack from underneath. Only thing is the alternator is on top and there's no easy access from above (you can lift a panel and see it but not unbolt or get it out that way). So to change the alternator you basically have to remove the engine entirely from the car from underneath which is is a substantial job taking many hours of labour. Even though I have a private guy do my servicing (he actually restores 1950/60 racing Porsche's for a living) it's still something like £100/hour for labour. At a Porsche dealer I would have paid two or three times as much. |
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clawson wrote:
A Porsche alternator only costs something like £400..£500.
ONLY?
I can sympathize with the stupidly unservicable layout though. My last car (a Chevy Corsica) the right-side engine mount was inside the circumference of the accessory belt. So you had to jack up the entire engine and transaxle in order to remove the bracket to change a $5 belt! And when the radiator sprung a leak, I very quickly figured out that the radiator gets installed before the engine at the factory. If you dismantle the radiator, AC condenser, fan housing, and hoses in exactly the right counter-intuitive order, you can extract the radiator with millimeters to spare. $Diety help you if your forget to put the fan back in before securing the new radiator. |
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Posted: May 03, 2012 - 10:03 PM |
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clawson wrote:
(oh and I was so busy towing the van that I hadn't realised that the Porsche was continuing to die and it's now in the same situation as it was once before with the bonnet electrically locked and dead electrics - so no access to the charging terminals).
My GT3 has a special terminal in the fuse box, which you can pull out. When you connect power to that, you can open the bonnet. |
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Many cars I've had you could actually sit inside the engine bay to work on things, mostly this is because the vehicles came in straight 6 or V8 options so the engine bay was wide enough for the 8 but I had the 6. Very easy to work on.
We now have a new car and I don't even think about working on it, I don't even know what half of the components under are under the bonnet. Things have got way too complicated.
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Things have got way too complicated.
Yeah. Modern cars are full of microcontrollers...  |
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Posted: May 04, 2012 - 09:48 AM |
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Modern cars are full of microcontrollers...
Exactly why they are useless in the bush. You can't fix a uC with some fencing wire and a sapling
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Unfortunately I'm now in part responsible for some of that!
I hope you didn't design the unbelievably bad "limp home" mode in some 4x4s.
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Nope just the "Look, there's a pedestrian, let's go get him!" mode for camera systems in high end German cars.  |
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Does it count points whenever you get one?
Dad and I "tuned up" my first car, gapping the plugs with 1 thickness of a matchbook cover, and the points with 2 thicknesses of a matchbook cover. I think it cost $5 and half an hour to "rebuild" the carborator. Heavens, spell check doesn't know who to spell that either. |
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clawson wrote:
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Modern cars are full of microcontrollers...
Unfortunately I'm now in part responsible for some of that!
Microsoft are responsible for the more egregious elements of the internal software on mine... including such gems as an inability to change the clock if the engine is running and music players which cannot cope with playing all of an album and then remembering where you were... and which incidentally occasionally crashes and requires the engine to be turned off and on again. Closing all the windows and opening them did not help. |
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Update: everything about my phone appears to work now....
.... oh apart from the touchscreen which means I cannot even unlock it. But I can see the wi-fi and phone circuits are working
So £500 worth of useless junk. (well, OK, I'm hopeful HTC's service centre may be able to help!) |
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Have you popped the cover to dry it with a hair dryer?
Slightly less invasive is to remove the battery cover and battery, which then generally gives the interior some breathing holes, and putting the phone in a bag of rice, and putting it in a warm, (but off), oven for 2 days. The rice absorbs the moisture as it dries out.
This worked for two of my wife's cell phones, (one went through the clothes washing machine, the other got drenched on duty).
She's been through several Blackberries and a couple of Droid.whatevers. I switched from a small flip phone to a "smart phone", the original Droid, 4 years ago when the Droid came out, and I'm still on the same phone and battery. ([/rant...])
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Resurrecting an old thread as Finchingfield has been doing the flooding thing again today and this time it's worse as we risk losing the village Christmas tree that is in the middle of the duck pond (intentionally but not this deep!). I took a photo and sent it via MMS to the BBC (they asked people to send flooding pictures on Breakfast this morning) then a very nice lady called Catherine from the BBC phoned me to ask about the photo so I was then able to email her a higher res. image taken with a decent camera. This got used on the BBC1 News at One:
(Sophie Rayworth hands over to Alex Deakin the weather man with my picture in the background)
(Alex actually mentioned me by name as the contributor and you can see my name in the caption)
In the 6pm BBC1 main evening news they used the picture again - this time Helen Willetts doing the weather:
BBC Look East then sent a film crew to film the flooding and included our house in their bulletin at 6:30pm:
(and zoomed out to a longer shot which includes both my cars)
And this was the village just before it got dark, rain continues and the water is still rising.
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I hope the situation improves!
So what has the water backed up and not draining through the culvert under the bridge?
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It's a tricky balancing act for the environment agency. There are sluice gates to regulate the flow so they can release some of the backed up water by opening the sluices but the downside is that it just moves the problem and the water goes rushing off downstream to hit the next flooding point. So I think they allow it to flood to a certain extent but when it looks like doing property damage they'll release some of it for the next poor souls a little further downstream.
Good news is that tomorrow (Friday) is due to be dry but (assuming the world makes it to Saturday and the Mayans were wrong) Saturday is predicted to be a deluge worse than we've already had and as the ground is now waterlogged it's all going into the river. Could be in for "interesting times". |
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| So was the tree on a little island, or is it set up in water in normal times? |
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The whole of the "barrel" into which it is inserted is submerged so it looks like a tree growing out of the water. Here's the pond the day after the flood above with normality restored.
There are four "guy ropes" holding it in place and each anchored into the bedrock of the pond. If you look closely (maybe not visible at this reduced resolution) you may see some of the debris that has come down stream and snagged on one of the lines.
Rather sadly it has rained all day today and this evening the flooding is back to being about as bad as it was the other day again and this time there could be a few days rain. |
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By the look of your photo, you have a slightly shorter journey to the pub than me.
At least I don't need to swim to my local !
It has been raining all day here too. However there are advantages of living on top of a hill.
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| If I didn't get the geography wrong of Finchingfield wrong, Cliffs preferred pub is actually behind him over his left shoulder when he took that photo. Up the hill behind him on the north side of the road opposite the church. The Red Lion, right Cliff? |
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By the look of your photo, you have a slightly shorter journey to the pub than me.
And that isn't the closest (or best) pub!
Yup, Johan nailed the location.
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Posted: Dec 22, 2012 - 09:15 PM |
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Joined: Aug 13, 2006
Posts: 6711
Location: Bellingham, WA - USA
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Quote:
it's demise could be imminent
Time for a new career, barkeep? |
_________________ Chuck Baird
"It's better to catch the trapeze than test the safety net" -- RPi book
http://www.cbaird.org
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Posted: Dec 22, 2012 - 09:44 PM |
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Joined: Dec 11, 2007
Posts: 6856
Location: Cleveland, OH
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Barkeep?
Think BIG, as in Red Lion OWNER and General Manager!
JC |
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Posted: Dec 22, 2012 - 10:39 PM |
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Joined: Aug 13, 2006
Posts: 6711
Location: Bellingham, WA - USA
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| BARKEEP |
_________________ Chuck Baird
"It's better to catch the trapeze than test the safety net" -- RPi book
http://www.cbaird.org
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Posted: Dec 23, 2012 - 05:17 AM |
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Joined: Dec 30, 2004
Posts: 8789
Location: Melbourne,Australia
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| Sorry guys, it was 39C over here today. Well 'ot you might say. No pub in staggering distance of my hq. |
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Posted: Dec 23, 2012 - 04:39 PM |
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Joined: Jan 03, 2006
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Location: Hemel Hemsptead, UK
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