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John_A_Brown
PostPosted: Feb 29, 2012 - 05:41 PM
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After much searching, it seems that I am unlikely to find a solution.
BJTs have too much collector/emitter voltage drop, and FETs require too much gate source voltage.
Even using an NPN BJT and a P FET is a problem, since I can only guarantee 2V6 to 3V? supply.

I thought about have the AVR go into power down mode, and be woken up by the mic bias voltage, but I can't be sure that, with a new coin cell, the mic bias will be high enough.

So I think what I will try is to feed the mic bias voltage into a BJT, take the collector to an AVR pin with a pullup(probably the internal one) and use that to wake the AVR. I suppose I could disable pullup after I'd woken up, and then re-enable at intervals to check if I'm still plugged in, but it's probably not worth the bother.

Now I need to check what sort of leakage there might be through the BJT collector/emitter.

Would that work, or am I missing something?

John
 
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John_A_Brown
PostPosted: Feb 29, 2012 - 06:16 PM
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Hmmmm. Just found this:http://search.digikey.com/uk/en/products/ZUMT618TA/ZUMT618TR-ND/272394

Seems to have a really low saturation voltage.

Not entirely sure how to read these characteristics, though. I'm guessing you need to pour base current in to achieve such a low saturation voltage.
 
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jaydhall
PostPosted: Feb 29, 2012 - 10:17 PM
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I always use a low side FET. One like this one:
http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/PMV30UN.pdf
 
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gchapman
PostPosted: Feb 29, 2012 - 10:25 PM
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John_A_Brown wrote:
Hmmmm. Just found this: ... ZUMT618 ...
Thanks for the Zetex ZUMT618; I was not aware of these Zetex/Diodes parts. Simulates better than OnSemi NSS12201. The advantage of the high current gain (hfe) AND low Vce-sat bipolar transistors is the reduced base current for a given collector current and Vce.
 
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gchapman
PostPosted: Feb 29, 2012 - 10:32 PM
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John_A_Brown wrote:
Now I need to check what sort of leakage there might be through the BJT collector/emitter.
Almost always very low IF base current is correctly controlled; FET's d-s leakage can be a problem especially at elevated temperatures.
 
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