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What is the purpose of the little page next to the posted date/time? IIRC you can click on it for something but i dunno what.
Does it have anything to do with NEW REPLY? entering the subject each time is a pain in the butt |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 03:57 PM |
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It gives you a URL directly to the post, so you can link others to it on a long thread.
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 04:13 PM |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 04:41 PM |
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And vice versa. I owe you a beer. I can't recall for what anymore, but I know I owe you one. Some day I just might go to England.. |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 04:44 PM |
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What with all the commotion going on the the Maldives perhaps Cliff's next holiday will be in Sweden?
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 04:50 PM |
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Even if, this country is not known for its good beer. If I owed one of my enemies a beer, he would get a Swedish one.
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 05:58 PM |
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What with all the commotion going on the the Maldives perhaps Cliff's next holiday will be in Sweden?
Sadly two furry fluff balls probably say it won't be easy to take any kind of holiday - but to be honest we were already starting to wonder whether to return to the Maldives anyway. Every time we visit there are more and more signs of fundamentalist Islam taking over and pushes to the implementation of more and more Sharia law. My wife always reads Haveeru Daily ( http://www.haveeru.com.mv/ ) and there's quite an ongoing change in the politics there. In itself that is not a problem but when the government start saying they will close the spas within resorts because it panders to women's needs or, God forbid, they ban alcohol within the resorts then they will basically have completely shot themselves in the foot. The whole country's main source of income is from their hotel/leisure industry and they need to build a pot of money as the islands likely won't exist in 50-100 years and they need to buy relocation land in Australia or wherever they choose to move to - but if their religion means more to them than their future then so be it - but don't expect visitors if they make these choices as no one will holiday in some place they think a fundamentalist terrorist might kidnap or kill them as they sleep!
Nasheed was the westernised voice of secular freedom while Gayoom (who he displaced) and who now looks likely to become president again has formed an alliance with the fundamentalist Islamists to guarantee he can get back to power - this is seriously not good.
Oh well, we've been 13 times and really enjoyed one of the most beautiful places on planet earth - I guess we should count that amongst our blessings, even if that 13th time turns out to be the last. |
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@Cliff
They also got lot's of water @Falkland's 
And no angry muslims , just some argentinians getting upset.
You might even get rescued by a celebrety ....
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 07:38 PM |
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| I figured with the Maldives going to hell you'd just double your time in Las Vegas (the American version of hell (sorry peret)) and expand the shoot-em-up time. |
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 10:29 PM |
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| Not only do I get my answer "FROM THE INSIDE",(Dean), I also find out who is behind in their drinking debts, where not to go on vacation, and cliff is sad to say his two furry fluff balls are making it hard to go on vacation. Cliff, try a walking stick |
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I have decided that I am no longer going to plan anything in advance. In a court of law this is called Pre-Meditated, and does not look good for the defense.....
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Posted: Feb 09, 2012 - 10:59 PM |
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| When I was staying in the Isfahan Intercontinental back in 76 or so while the Shah was still the big poobah, everyone said all the hotel rooms were bugged by the Savak, so if you wanted to talk about the Shah, just call him George. The off topic forum is just so boring without any talk about my number one buddy from Kenya/Hawaii/Chicago/Washington, lets just talk about him some more, but call him George. |
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 - 01:59 AM |
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clawson wrote:
... they need to buy relocation land in Australia or wherever they choose to move to ...
What? Don't you guys in the UK have any land left? We don't want their fundamentalist "pushers" here. Got enough trouble already. Let them go to Saudi, Iran or Malaysia. Somewhere that they already share their basic beliefs with and will assimilate./rant off |
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if you wanted to talk about the Shah, just call him George
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| But he wasn't a buddy with a Weatherman that wanted to foment a Marxist Revolution by Offing The Pigs and causing chaos like my new buddy George is. |
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| You're right, Uncle Bob. He only had his puppet master Dick. |
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 - 03:32 AM |
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| We are so screwed. Otherwise pragmatic and logical engineers fighting about ideology. The voters are Uninformed Fat and Complacent Couch Potatoes watching Entertainment Tonight while their freedom is being sucked away. They wont realize that anything and everything they used to be able to do and all the stuff that they want to do now is being denied by nameless beaureaucrats. You just aren't Free if someone else is telling you what you can't do. The Brown Shirts will be coming for your Safe Deposit boxes soon. Better stock up on ammo before its outlawed. |
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 - 03:39 AM |
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The Brown Shirts will be coming for your Safe Deposit boxes soon.
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What's UPS got to do with this?
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 - 03:47 AM |
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Jay, I don't think she should trust you even if you are a doctor.
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 - 04:07 AM |
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| Mr Moderators, I Move that the Forum Name be modified to be "Off Topic Except For Politics and Religion". Do I hear a second? |
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Posted: Feb 10, 2012 - 04:07 AM |
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| Wait a minute, those are *not* regulation UPS knickers! |
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You have some experience checking out the regulation knickers? No wonder the guy tossed the TV over the fence.
oops - my bad. That was FedEx, not UPS, that tossed the monitor over the fence. |
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What? Don't you guys in the UK have any land left? We don't want their fundamentalist "pushers" here.
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne ... ire-nation
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It could buy land in Sri Lanka and India, where the culture and climate are similar to those of the Maldives. Australia, which owns a vast amount of unoccupied land, is also being considered, a CNN report said.
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I Move that the Forum Name be modified to be "Off Topic Except For Politics and Religion".
Rather ironically this is exactly what Eric has asked for
Has anyone noticed that the OT forum description has recently changed and no longer mentions "politics" but is now:
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This is where you post your OFF-TOPIC message on AVRfreaks.net: Discuss your cats, horseback riding and BBQ menus in here!
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| I have a pretty good recipe for a barbequed Kenyan Rump Roast that has a lot of Earl Gray seasoning. |
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| By "Earl Grey" I assume we really just mean "flavoured with bergamot"? (or does the roast really taste of tea?) |
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| Reminds me when I signed up for what I thought was a cosmetology class, wanted to learn how to do the latest two tone style with the frosted tips. After a while, I finally figured out I must be in the wrong room. The dude was writing equations on the white board with a bunch of greek letters, and he kept talking about black holes and strings and dark matter. When do we get to the scissors and peroxide? |
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This is where you post your OFF-TOPIC message on AVRfreaks.net: Discuss your cats, horseback riding and BBQ menus in here!
Only discussion of those three items will be permitted!
Discussion of dogs, birds, fish, etc.etc, riding of camels, elephants or sheep, etc. etc. , other transport such as bicycles, motorcycles, cars, planes, boats etc. etc and non-BBQ recipes such as for breakfast lunch or dinner are absolute "verboten", along with the good oldies sex, politics , art, music, religion and guns etc. etc. as this Forum needs to comply with the New World Order, that we all become nannies in a nanny state. |
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| Sigh... I suppose Bob Baiting is off limits. Although, is riding a sheep (an Australian thing, I'm sure) similar to getting someone's goat? |
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Although, is riding a sheep (an Australian thing, I'm sure)
New Zealand actually! |
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| Do all the Europeans get my pun about the Tea Party that swept a bunch of dead wood out the door during the midterm elections over on this side? Note that my interest is not political, but anthropological or socialogical or some other logical. |
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Has anyone noticed that the OT forum description has recently changed and no longer mentions "politics" but is now:
OT forum description wrote:
This is where you post your OFF-TOPIC message on AVRfreaks.net: Discuss your cats, horseback riding and BBQ menus in here!
So, still open for religion then?
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Not sure, Bob. Is that the one in the post which also refers to meat from Kenya (Africa)? If that is the pun then no, I don't get it. |
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bobgardner wrote:
Do all the Europeans get my pun about the Tea Party that swept a bunch of dead wood out the door during the midterm elections over on this side? Note that my interest is not political, but anthropological or socialogical or some other logical.
I understood the allusion, Bob, but still felt the need to correct your spelling. I'll ignore the mistakes in the above, as it's Saturday here.
My interest is extreme pedantry.
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Care to let the stupid and ignorant of us in on the secret?
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| My buddy Geoge was the Butt of that joke. He's from Kenya or somewhere, but he didn't have two parents that were born in the US, so he isn't qualified to be the Big Dude according to Grandpa Adams and Uncle Jefferson. |
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So, still open for religion then?
It is not clear to me, as to what was in the mind of those who made that recent change of what is considered OK, other than cats, horseback riding and BBQ recipes.
From a logical point of view, one has to assume that as politics has been specifically removed from that list, by it's absence it belongs in the set of all other exclusions which are not specifically mentioned Ie. religion, gender issues, breastfeeding, race issues, football, cricket, baseball , boxing, cock fighting etc. etc. all of which might cause offense to someone. (So might the inclusion of non-kosher or non-vegetarian BBQ recipes and jokes etc.).
As I mentioned in my previous post, anything not mentioned specifically as being OK, by implication must be taboo... dogs, guinea pigs, cars planes, boats , breakfast, dinner & lunch recipes (other than BBQ'd), art, bush-walking etc.
This is ridiculous of course! So, I suggest that the current wording should be changed to but specify the exclusion rather than the inclusions.
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It is not clear to me, as to what was in the mind of those who made that recent change of what is considered OK, other than cats, horseback riding and BBQ recipes.
It wasn't clear to anyone else either, which was why the "you're all doing a horrible job (for free)" post in the Moderator forum was such a surprise. I believe Eric has modified the description now to try to discourage political discussions in the future so we all remain civil.
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It is clear to me why it was done Dean, but the current wording does not cover the situation to a newbie, who does not know of the desire to restrict political discussion and could easily start a political discussion in the future, as there is no specific exclusion against it.
Johan's assumption(?) that religious matters are still OK should be covered along with racial, sexual, religious etc.
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I know, I know - PM EW and see if he can change it again. While I can technically do it I'm not sure if I'm supposed to do it and frankly the site backend is so full of broken bits and scary buttons I'm afraid to mess with it too much.
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My question was not so seriously meant that you need to straighten it out for my sake.
Personally I believe in cats, the true deities that has ruled the world since it was created on the 13th of February 2001. We should vote them in to rule our countries. If they start to misbehave, well cook'em and eat'em on the beach of Keynesia. I'll have the rump of the fattest cat, please.
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My question was not so seriously meant
I realize that!
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the "you're all doing a horrible job (for free)" post in the Moderator forum was such a surprise.
None (most) of us, see that of course!
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| I personally enjoy it when I get told to RTFM StupidA$$ sometimes. I actually breakdown and look it up. Gonna miss it. Why doesnt Atmel have the moderators sit as judges(like American Idol/x-factor, whatever) and decide if the question/statement/rant goes into general population, the shredder, or into a special place called 'whup-a$$'. |
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I believe Eric has modified the description now to try to discourage political discussions in the future so we all remain civil.
I told him to do it after I'd resigned as a moderator. I said it was the least he could do to avoid encouraging politic or religious discussion. The previous text only mentioned politics but if it had mentioned religion I'm sure Eric would have removed that too.
The point being that this board and specifically the O-T forum are polluted by pointless, vitriolic arguments in which entrenched camps are never going to persuade the other to change their views and they inevitably decay into ad hominem attacks and the use of strong language which is not the sort of thing you want on a board aimed at teaching a 12 year old how to program an Arduino or whatever.
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None (most) of us, see that of course!
Count yourself lucky. Basically Eric tore us all off a strip for having let this board fall into the vitrolic, unfriendly state it had got itself into. While my initial reaction was to be slightly peeved (to the point where I decided to give up being a moderator) I came round to see Eric/(Atmel management's) point which is the reason for the sticky announcement at the top of AVR Forum.
This Off Topic forum is supposed to be for "fun" things and does not benefit from grown adults acting like 5 year olds in a playground. For that there are many Usenet groups and other website/forums where you can go to have those political or religious arguments.
So here's to a happier future here (for all of us - including the ones who#d offered to moderate!)
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Why doesnt Atmel have the moderators sit as judges(like American Idol/x-factor, whatever) and decide if the question/statement/rant goes into general population, the shredder, or into a special place called 'whup-a$$'.
Don't agree. Even with moderators this place still turned into a site that thousands of people are actually scared to post on because of the kind of replies they were getting. What advantage would be had by moving topics so that the OP would deliberately be insulted. As I said elsehwere, if you have nothing positive to say then don't.
The change that has occurred is that Atmel have realised what an important resource this board is so while they had "left things to it" they now want to clean up the act and make it a happy, friendly place for beginner so ask ANY kind of question without fear of being insulted. If anyone doesn't like the more involved stance Atmel want to take then I guess there are plenty of other web sites one could choose to visit instead.
Remember that this site is run/financed by Atmel so it's their call how it operates. |
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Cliff, I'm sorry to see you step down as a moderator. I always thought you did your duties with a light touch and gentlemanly finesse, with an occasional glimpse of the frustrated realist behind the curtain.
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While my initial reaction was to be slightly peeved (to the point where I decided to give up being a moderator)
Sorry to hear that Cliff, you were on the ball as far as I was concerned, but you can now relax a little more , play electronics, take the YF flying & enjoy the cats.
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I came round to see Eric/(Atmel management's) point which is the reason for the sticky announcement at the top of AVR Forum.
I could never understand that it was permitted, nay encouraged even, in the first place, by suggesting in that in the title.
In any human endeavor you will find conflict and with an open invitation to discuss the common no no's, you are asking for trouble.
Amateur radio, has had the same issues for over 90 years and
those subjects whilst not illegal, are avoided. Amateur radio has the advantage that when the radio waves diminish the words are gone, not so with the digital word.
So my suggestion is repeated, that the wording be tidied up further. |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2012 - 07:29 AM |
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So my suggestion is repeated, that the wording be tidied up further.
It seems to me that along with Uncle Bob's good friend George, guns seem to be the most inflammatory topic. Religion per se gets mild responses in comparison. |
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DocJC, might have to confirm this, but I think they cause huge blood loss & trauma rather than inflammation! |
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| You gentlemen misunderstood - I initially resigned because Eric accused us all of a crap job even though I thought we weren't doing too bad. But I came round to his way of thinking so withdrew the threat and joined his cause to try and make things better here. Getting rid of politics, religion and (thank God) gun control can only be a good thing. |
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| The interesting and unique aspect of the old avrfreaks offtopic forum was the ability to get a compare and contrast on an issue like God Given Rights, freedom, tyrrany, when government becomes oppressive or confiscatory, from a peer group of experienced engineers on 5 or 6 other continents. A Very Good Big Picture view. Before I discovered AVRfreaks, I had assumed I would never ever converse with an engineer from St Petersburg Russia or Teheran Iran. If communication is the answer to getting along with other cultures, cutting off the communication seems like a Real About Face. Where I think we really need the increased communication is with mainland China. Seems like this forum had the capability to provide that link. After a certain back and forth of cussing and ad hominem attacks, the actual facts and opinions of the differing parties bubble to the surface to be discussed. It was very interesting to me, and after a decade of reading other engineer's tales, I though I knew how to really know when they were really telling what they believed. It will be hard to cultivate another international panel discussion like this one was. I just hope it makes my Atmel stock keep chugging on up. |
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Getting rid of George, George and (thank George) George can only be a good thing.
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I object to that! |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2012 - 09:43 PM |
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| Someone should write an encryption and decryption program that would make our off-off-topic posts appear to the uninitiated to be about cats, horseback riding and BBQ. A Firefox add-on would be nice. |
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Someone should write an encryption and decryption program that would make our off-off-topic posts appear to the uninitiated to be about cats, horseback riding and BBQ.
Some simple encoding should suffice:
Once upon a 16 bit timer there was a cat named George whose origins were unknown, at least to those who lacked the necessary clues. George was a clever and resourceful cat, succeeding in his various endeavors and even learning to ride a horse. George's detractors hoped George would stumble during his awe inspiring feats of daring so they could have yet another opportunity to beat a dead horse, tenderizing it in preparation for their favorite outdoor activity, the tailgate barbecue. There they'd have a grand old party, drinking that good American beer, then pissing and moaning in glee at the success of their plans. It's always so much easier to BBQ and party than it is to actually ride the horse. |
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Posted: Feb 12, 2012 - 11:14 PM |
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| Very good. I think I've been insulted but I'm not sure. I need that Firefox add-on. |
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| Do the Norskies and Swedes consider Free Speech a God Given Right? Or is that a unique quirk of the Yanks? |
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I think the Norskies think they own the soapbox we're quasi-free speaking from. They could be right.
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I can comment regarding the Oz spin on this!
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Today, freedom of speech, or the freedom of expression, is recognized in international regional human rights law. The right is enshrined in Article 19 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
I cannot recall any particular act in the bible, where freedom of speech was ever granted/given to anyone by "god". We have a right by our mere existence!
If the Universal right, is a right granted by god, then god broke his/her own rules as in Luke 1:20
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Probably, because it was written into your constitution that way. In Oz our constitution was amended to allow for the International Declaration. Of course we have other acts that prevent libel, indecency, criminality etc. |
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| Aren't half the Atmel dudes Yanks from California and Colorado? Do all their Free Speech rights evaporate when the sysops in Trondheim get nervous? Just move the damn board to the USA and let er rip. |
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The Atmel people are probably concerned about the libel, decency, criminality aspects and their good name. I would think that both in the US and Oz the same concerns would exist and it is not a good idea to let it rip uncontrolled (IMHO)!
That was a crack up Chuck! |
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I'm missing something. This thread leads me to believe that there is a post somewhere delimiting what is okay and what isn't other than the no insults allowed post. If so, where is it?
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| As the question was answered in the first reply from Dean I vote to lock this thread least we descend into the usual electron wasting posts. |
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