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 Posted: Nov 02, 2011 - 07:44 PM |
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Hi I'm a beginner in AVR.
I Really liked the environment maintained by the graceful users in this forum 
Now im a amateur web developer, being said, I really loved the over all design of the forums website, its really smooth to the eyes..
Now, you guys are using PHPbb platform right?
I thought It'd be nice if you guys get a "Like" button "plugin" for this forums.. it ll be nice to like a post given by a user.. just like in facebook..
see you around folks
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Posted: Nov 02, 2011 - 07:57 PM |
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Sadly access to the PHP that runs this site is not possible (Atmel lost the password or something?!?) so it cannot be changed (including a number of bugs).
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Posted: Nov 02, 2011 - 08:18 PM |
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access to the PHP that runs this site is not possible
Unless you are a cracker, then it's doable...  |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2011 - 08:30 PM |
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I remember a year or two ago when the Forum went down for a couple of days. I was thinking, (hoping, really), that the site would come back up with the "New Forum" software, with all of the old threads migrated over to the new system.
Didn't happen that way, obviously.
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Posted: Nov 09, 2011 - 08:58 PM |
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clawson wrote:
Sadly access to the PHP that runs this site is not possible (Atmel lost the password or something?!?) so it cannot be changed (including a number of bugs).
That is a dubious excuse at best.
Someone with root access can always do what is necessary.
To me, it seems more likely that the the problem is a binary to which they lost the source.
Another possibility is that the code is too messy to change without fear and trepidation.
Maybe the last PHP upgrade cause enough problems that they are unwilling to change any PHP programs that are still good enough.
At my previous job, some PCB guys had a PHP program to read a pgm file and count bright pixels.
After a PHP upgrade, it quit working.
They had been struggling with it for a while.
I didn't know PHP, so I offered to write a replacement in python.
I expect the AVRFreaks software is too big for that strategy.
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Posted: Nov 09, 2011 - 10:59 PM |
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That is a dubious excuse at best.
It was a joke. The real problem that no one at Atmel in control of the gigantic pots of money sees any value in maintaining AVRFreaks, as it currently "works" (in some manner). We've been trying to convince them to inject money into it since forever, but it doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon.
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Posted: Nov 10, 2011 - 12:31 AM |
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abcminiuser wrote:
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That is a dubious excuse at best.
It was a joke. The real problem that no one at Atmel in control of the gigantic pots of money sees any value in maintaining AVRFreaks, as it currently "works" (in some manner). We've been trying to convince them to inject money into it since forever, but it doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon.
- Dean
Frankly that scares me more than them ignoring us.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 01:56 AM |
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abcminiuser wrote:
The real problem that no one at Atmel in control of the gigantic pots of money sees any value in maintaining AVRFreaks, as it currently "works" (in some manner). We've been trying to convince them to inject money into it since forever, but it doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon.
Hi Dean,
That's not an accurate statement.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 01:57 AM |
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smileymicros wrote:
Frankly that scares me more than them ignoring us.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 02:10 AM |
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EW wrote:
smileymicros wrote:
Frankly that scares me more than them ignoring us.
... And you're not being ignored either.
Oh, God... Please encourage ignoring me at all opportunities.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 02:16 AM |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 02:23 AM |
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EW wrote:
abcminiuser wrote:
The real problem that no one at Atmel in control of the gigantic pots of money sees any value in maintaining AVRFreaks, as it currently "works" (in some manner). We've been trying to convince them to inject money into it since forever, but it doesn't look like it'll happen any time soon.
Hi Dean,
That's not an accurate statement.
Eric
But what we are experiencing on this side is 7 months of empty/spam/advert project posts accumulating this year before any action.
A thoughtless casualness of an admin using the cleaner id, 5 months into the accumulation of empty/spam/advert project posts.
And a lost effort of 4 years ago Hang in there... its in the works!
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 01:45 PM |
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Yes, I agree that there have been failed efforts in the past, and that recent admin activity has been sporadic.
But, it's inaccurate to portray the management as uncaring and seeing no value.
The issue is that it takes time to turn a big ship around. The ship is turning. |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 01:53 PM |
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Eric,
One thing you could do for virtually no effort/cost is simply to remove the "MsgIcon" and "Smiles" buttons from this "Quick Reply" box. The fact that it leads to "Hacking Attempt 1" (and has done for 3+ years) just looks very shabby to almost all new posters who come across it for the first time.
Things like the % problem I imagine would take considerably more (read expensive) engineering to be fixed?
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 03:03 PM |
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Hi Cliff,
While I agree with you that those issues are annoying and should be fixed, the facts are that there is a lot more to be done then just those things. And those things you mentioned are actually trivial when looking at the wider scope. What we would like to do is to address the wider scope, which then takes more time and effort to move forward. All I can say is that at least, so far, there's not a lot of resistance in moving forward. It's just a matter of getting everyone on board. |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 03:34 PM |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 03:38 PM |
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But, it's inaccurate to portray the management as uncaring and seeing no value.
Atmel, and everyone else, is assesed w r t their actions rather than vapor. If this site is the basis for the classic duck test then Atmels management is uncaring re AVRfreaks. (Which is quite OK if you ask me - this site probably served as important AVR propaganda 10 years ago, but I doubt that Atmel deems it/that important today.)
Apart from that: Yes the bugs and quirks are annoying, but not a disaster. (The fear I have is that while they are not disasters, they are forerunners of one.) If the site limps along in it's curent state then that is okay, and the "value" of the site would not sky-rocket just because some new sofware was installed to drive it. The bulk of the value at this site always has been, is, and will be, it's members.
But the bottom line is - if Atmel cared enough for AVRfreaks they would have done something in these five (or whatever) years that has passed since the rot started. To connect to the allegory: If a ship tkes five years to turn, and is leaking, you don't wait until the turn is done with at least some provisional work on the leaks.
I think I understand that you are saying that things will happen eventually. Now come out on this side of the wall and see the reality of the facade. Nothing happens, and the best prognosis for tomorrow is that it will be like it is today.
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 03:55 PM |
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And those things you mentioned are actually trivial when looking at the wider scope. What we would like to do is to address the wider scope, which then takes more time and effort to move forward. All I can say is that at least, so far, there's not a lot of resistance in moving forward. It's just a matter of getting everyone on board.
Frightening.
What is happening? Studio5 team is reprogramming the forum on the basis of a Microsoft framework so it gets accessible through a Studio5-Plugin? |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 06:43 PM |
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If a ship tkes five years to turn, and is leaking,
Didn't take the Titanic THAT long.....
Maybe this will merge with the other Atmel forums like the Touch Forum and the AT91.com forum which are part of the Atmel main server???
http://www2.atmel.com/About/Community.aspx |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 07:07 PM |
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JohanEkdahl wrote:
(Which is quite OK if you ask me - this site probably served as important AVR propaganda 10 years ago, but I doubt that Atmel deems it/that important today.)
Again, that is inaccurate. It is still important today.
JohanEkdahl wrote:
Apart from that: Yes the bugs and quirks are annoying, but not a disaster. (The fear I have is that while they are not disasters, they are forerunners of one.)
I completely agree with that. And others do too.
JohanEkdahl wrote:
If the site limps along in it's curent state then that is okay, and the "value" of the site would not sky-rocket just because some new sofware was installed to drive it. The bulk of the value at this site always has been, is, and will be, it's members.
Again, I completely agree with you.
JohanEkdahl wrote:
But the bottom line is - if Atmel cared enough for AVRfreaks they would have done something in these five (or whatever) years that has passed since the rot started. To connect to the allegory: If a ship takes five years to turn, and is leaking, you don't wait until the turn is done with at least some provisional work on the leaks.
There are many factors involved. Unfortunately, most of which I can't write about here. No, it doesn't take five years to "turn". That's assuming that the turning process started five years ago, which it wasn't. All I can tell you is that there is current movement to do something about it. Personally, I think that's great news.
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I think I understand that you are saying that things will happen eventually. Now come out on this side of the wall and see the reality of the facade. Nothing happens, and the best prognosis for tomorrow is that it will be like it is today.
Johan, you know that I've been a member here on AVR Freaks for over 10 years now. Fortunately, or unfortunately, I see both sides. It doesn't always make it easier on me either.
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Seeing is believing. Period.
I understand that, too. That's why I don't come on here and try to sell everyone a bill of goods on something that is not yet set in stone (to mix metaphors).
I just want to express that all is not yet lost. You know that I'm in a position that I can't talk about everything that's going on internally. So all I ask for is a little trust. |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 08:48 PM |
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abcminiuser wrote:
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That is a dubious excuse at best.
It was a joke. ...
'Twasn't obvious to me.
Looking back, it still isn't.
I've heard of much more dubious excuses. |
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Posted: Nov 11, 2011 - 09:59 PM |
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First, I hope that if changes are to be made, that they are minor since as pointed, out things work pretty well as they are and I'd fear any major changes could mess things up.
Second, If changes are to be made, I'd hope the powers reconstitute the test site and let some of the old timers mess with it before switching over.
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Posted: Nov 12, 2011 - 08:35 AM |
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Again, that is inaccurate. It is still important today.
Again, you claim that. But no actual change of the state of the world indicates this. Atmel passes the duck test for not caring. That is all that matters. I've stopped to care hoots if there are people struggling their arses off for changing anything to the better [*] - the fact is that NOTHING happens for years. And years. For friggins sake - Atmel No is in a university town - how hard can it be to hire a student on quarter time to do the most obvious maintenance, like cleaning out the dead projects once a week. What would that cost Atmel in salary? What would it give in goodwill? (That hire could also do what Cliff suggested - boy is that EMBARRASING for Atmel to have the "Hacking attempt 1"! More or less walking down main street with the fly open and the thing hanging out. How hard would it be to fix? How much do you need to care to have one fix it?
No, the fact is that the sum of the caring inside atmel re AVRfreaks is not on the positive side. Or SOMETHING would have happened.
Again, I think this is quite OK. The leverage that AVRfreaks probably generated 10 years ago was likely important. Today AVRs are well established, and I suppose none of the 1M parts buyers delve here. Just don't say that Atmel cares, because that is obviously not true.
Seeing is believing.
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Should we start a new thread with the things we see? Here is what I can remember off-hand:
- Hacking attempt 1
- My front page continuously has a PM count that is one higher than it actually is (i.e. no PMs, but the front page ays "You have 1 new..."
- My attachbox has been some 300% full for ages
- I make a new post. Half of the time it shows up marked as a new post. Half of the time it does not. Not a problem for me but indicates an unstable database.
- Sometimes I get notifications when ordered - sometimes not.
- I have a signature set up for my posts but it does not work.
- When I edit a post, sometimes this is noted/marked - sometimes not.
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So all I ask for is a little trust.
You know this isn't personal, Eric. Lets talk about Atmel, not you. In this matter I give Atmel NO TRUST. The forecast for tomorrow is yesterdays weather. Seeing is believing. Atmel has shown again and again that this is the only reasonable way to handle things that they "advertise". Give me two examples of where it has been different for the last five years or so..
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[*] Instead they care about making the Atmel web site more complicated and riddling to use. The search thingie is the close-to-perfect demonstration. This they care about, obviously.. |
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Posted: Nov 12, 2011 - 01:53 PM |
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EW wrote:
So all I ask for is a little trust.
OK, while we are in a mood for airing dirty washing, I will get some out in the open also ... again.
On 8 August, in relation to the responsibility for clearing empty projects, Eivind said in a PM to me (which I copied to you Eric also in my PMs with you)...
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Eric W. will be an admin, and I am meeting with the TRD apps team today to instruct them how to moderate news, clean projects and ban spammers. They will look to the same forum threads that you have been posting in for spam and dead projects.
All of them will use the account "cleaner" (also Eric).
I'll let you know about the rotation.
I'm sorry that you're tired rolling this stone uphill,
but hopefully things will turn better from this week on.
It's your choice, and I perfectly understand your frustration.
Cheers;
Eivind
So I waited. As far as I can determine there have been 3 efforts since August. Thanks. However, I PM'd "cleaner" on 2 November asking for another "effort" and it sits unread in my outbox ... and we have 12 new submissions awaiting removal.
Is it so impossible for someone to make a weekly "appointment" to read "cleaner's" mail and/or visit the established sticky and delete the offending submissions listed there?
Enough of the undertakings ... I want to see actions. |
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Posted: Nov 12, 2011 - 09:09 PM |
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