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 Posted: Sep 09, 2011 - 12:58 PM |
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| Not sure that reference manual really helps anyway. Yes I read it. For a piece of work as extensive as ASF is supposed to be I am just a little surprised the reference manual is all of 23 pages long. |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2011 - 11:30 PM |
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Wow 
I thought I had little chance of winning anything, but with only four entries, the odds are three in four that I'll win something and one in four that I'll take first place! I know there are many better coders on AVR Freaks than I, so thanks to all of you who didn't make an entry.
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Posted: Sep 11, 2011 - 03:36 PM |
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Location: Trondheim, Norway
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I was a bit surprised by that too - there's a remarkably high winging-to-submission ratio going on. Congratulations in advance to the entrants, since it's most likely that everyone will win something.
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Posted: Sep 11, 2011 - 04:21 PM |
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Location: (using avr-gcc in) Finchingfield, Essex, England
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there's a remarkably high winging-to-submission ratio going on.
Dean,
I was a whinger - I would seriously have considered taking part but I can only do so evenings/weekends when I also have other things to do (not least of which was watching Grand Prix!). When the competition was first announced I just simply didn't think I could do it justice in the few nights/weekends the 2 week deadline allowed for. So I contacted the two Atmel representatives who've responded in this thread and said so. When the first 2 week deadline was almost up they announced a 2.5 week continuation. In effect just starting a second ~2wk contest - again this was not enough time to do anything sensible.
If it achieved one goal it did get me to download ASF but once I discovered that this was really only a UC3/Xmega contest (as that's pretty much all that ASF supports) I finally gave in and realised there was no chance of taking part.
Maybe they'll consider doing a similar contest in the future with a more sensible deadline (perhaps 2-3 months from the start date) and by that time the oft promised tiny/mega support will then have been added to ASF so it doesn't also involve learning a new architecture at the same time and trying to track down PDI programmers and dev boards to test UC3/Xmega code.
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Posted: Sep 11, 2011 - 10:26 PM |
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Location: Vilanova (Barcelona)
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Well, I submited a failed project. I don't have many time, and now even less due, ehm, certain changes in my life, but I expected something better than what I found.
I think I deserve to be the only one to don't have a prize. I really don't need anything, and probably I will give whatever I win to others, but I feel more confortable writing the review and letting Atmel read my rants. A pity that later I realize that I forget to mention some advice: take a look at the libraries supplied wiht IAR for AT91 family. They are worth reading. Just the opposite to ASF, although I only used some parts for Xmega128A1, but I found them utterly crap. Useless and a waste of time, from my point of view.
Of course, my brain and usual way to do things is quite biased towards other simplier and nastier methods. After all, I'm a HW guy that does some SW from time to time (two years since my last serious uC programming, lots of C# and something similar to Pascal since then).
Regarding the contest itself, I think the deadline is too short, even if the intention is to demonstrate the presumable easiness of use. In fact, the lack of entries is exactly a demonstration of what I'm thinking on this: it is not this easy.
The cranky AS5 is also another point that makes things worse. As I could see, three of the four entries state that they are using AS5.
I strongly suggest to add at least one month more to the present contest, and probably remark that AS4 would be better suited.
Edit: spelling again. |
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Posted: Sep 11, 2011 - 11:24 PM |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 01:00 AM |
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Location: Sydney, Australia (Gum trees, Koalas and Kangaroos, No Edelweiss)
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a remarkably high winging-to-submission ratio going on
Hey our PM would be extatic to have the same winging-to-approval ratio....  |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 08:44 AM |
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| Thanks to the four freaks that submitted the reviews. We will review the contributions and announce the winners within September. |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 11:33 AM |
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Location: Poland
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abcminiuser wrote:
I was a bit surprised by that too - there's a remarkably high winging-to-submission ratio going on.
It is irrational, off-topic, but not forbidden.
Some of the Freaks complained about:
a) the content of the prizes,
b) didn't like the deadline date,
c) that the merit should be more valued, than the short time-frame,
d) that ASF package is hard to find on their web site,
e) there is no manual for ASF, AS5 is preferred,
etc.
WTF - contest rules are not your business!
Don't you think contest should be made to give all Freaks equal chances, to involve (now dead) fair-play spirit of competition, and not made to be easy or according to the rules YOU like? If there is an error in a link - that is how they want it, (with pitfalls) and every contestant has to face it. If there is a short deadline - every contestant has to face it, if buggy AS5 is preferred, every.. etc.
It seems you made this topic a discussion on "What type of rules I would like the contest to have". Then read the topic again - it is clearly different.
It is not the first time I hear loosing participants winging about the rules of running contest. Seems like a built-in property of greedy human being.
Another truth is it is the first time I see an organizer of the contest to cheat.
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One stays a looser, when silently acclaims violation of fair-play rules. |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 11:37 AM |
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Wait, now I'm confused. Brutte, weren't you against the modification of the rules before?
- Dean |
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Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 11:42 AM |
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Brutte, weren't you against the modification of the rules before?
I was, I am and I will be against changing the rules during contest. But I do not have any objections against rules as such, as it is Atmel that provides the rules and the prizes and it is their right to set the rules they like. |
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Posted: Sep 13, 2011 - 09:58 AM |
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I must say I agree with Brutte (partially anyway) Atmel did set the game in play and should abide by the rules.
To those who did submit a review - good luck.
The fact that the contest itself was probably too short, and that ASF is not as popular as they hoped, the website and references to the ASF downloads are non-intuitive etc are side issues.
Atmel's goal to get feedback on ASF was probably achieved, just not in the manner they had expected.
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Posted: Sep 21, 2011 - 12:57 PM |
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Location: Rockall
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| What would be fun would be some simple challenges. Who can get a TINY AVR to display moving lissajous figures on a 16 x 2 LCD for example. |
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