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ARhodes
PostPosted: Apr 05, 2007 - 02:16 PM
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Atmel has a promotion going where they're selling the STK500 plus the Dragon together for $49. I'd been planning on buying a single STK500 for $79, so I was pretty blown away and I ended up buying two of these bundles from Digi-Key yesterday. So, if my brain didn't explode, I could work on 4 projects at once.

Apparently, this hasn't been promoted aggressively yet. I was actually the very first person to buy this bundle.

I suppose this means a new dev board could be in the works and Atmel is trying to dump their stock of the current boards.
 
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> So, if my brain didn't explode, I could work on 4 projects at once.

Well, to have fun, leave it at two projects. The "development area"
of the Dragon is just an add-on only and cannot match with the options
the STK500 is offering you. OTOH, once you learned love the emulation
features of the Dragon, you wouldn't want to develop much on an STK500
without having the Dragon to debug it there.

It has been discussed here before, both together are really a nice bundle
(unless, of course, you have to handle AVRs with > 32 KiB of ROM, where
you need the genuine JTAG ICE).

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Well they had this offer before Christmas and a number of people benefitted - but it's GREAT if it's back again! (but I fear Digikey shippingto Europe will be high and I'll bet it's a US only thing)

Dumping non-RoHS stock certainly sounds like the most likley motive.

EDIT: Yup, had a look at ordering two sets - its $57 for delivery to the UK - then there'll be import duty and VAT. Still a bargain - two STK500, two Dragon for $157 - question is: do I or don't I? (44th birthday tomorrow so maybe I do)

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It has been discussed here before, both together are really a nice bundle
(unless, of course, you have to handle AVRs with > 32 KiB of ROM, where
you need the genuine JTAG ICE).
Digikey also has this: AVRDEVKIT2-ND = BUNDLE ATSTK500 + ATJTAGICE2 for $150 ?

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It's interesting, when you look at the description for ATJTAGICE2 it says "Contains Lead, RoHS Non-Compliant". I'm kind of suprised by that - I thought it was modern enough to have been a RoHS design. But this does seem to suggests that it is dumping non-RoHS stuff that may be behind this

Perhaps these offers should come with a health warning? Wink

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Cliff: Oh yes... [big red label] WARNING: USING ATJTAGICE2 MAY LEAD TO LEAD POISONING! USE AT OWN RISK!

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> USING ATJTAGICE2 MAY LEAD TO LEAD POISONING! USE AT OWN RISK!

Nope, rather:

EATING ATJTAGICE2 MAY LEAD TO LEAD POISONING! USE AT OWN RISK!

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44th birthday tomorrow ...


Cliff,

As it is "tomorrow" here right now ("at the third stroke it will be" Cliff's birthday).

Happy birthday from Down Under!

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There have been rumours of the new-generation STK500 for years. I hope that they don't dump it entirely and suggest the Dragon as the substitute. I rarely use the DIP sockets, but often use the variable Vtarget for testing---VTG is very close to the setting in 'Studio, and it is very convenient to ramp up and down to test at different levels.

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daqq wrote:
MAY LEAD TO LEAD POISONING!

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How could anyone ever learn English, full of words like this spelled the same, pronounced differently, meaning different things?
 
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How could anyone ever learn English, full of words like this spelled the same, pronounced differently, meaning different things?

This is why the say it's the second most complicated language to learn after Chinese as there are so many context sensitive nuances and exceptions to standard grammar rules. It's just a shame for the rest of the world that our imperialist past means that about half of them are forced to try and understand it! (including US in fact - though I think they've almost got the hang of it now Wink )

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valusoft wrote:
Happy birthday from Down Under!

Many thanks from an old man.

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Contest: be the first to tell us what these words are called that are spelled the same, pronounced differently? (I know, but it took me a long time to find it... no prize... I'm too poor)
 
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Homographs - but it took a bit of googling to refresh my memory as the last time I heard that was about 33 years ago when I was being taught English grammar

There's also homophones and homonyms which are kind of related.

Isn't it interesting that there are folks who actually discuss this on dedicated message boards:

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/frequ ... ently.html

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How could anyone ever learn English, full of words like this spelled the same, pronounced differently, meaning different things?


Uhm, it's correct isn't it? I fortunately learned it as a kid 'cause my dad studied (and later taugh) in the States. But I'm not sure about the grammar part...

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Glad I read the post. I just ordered (from Digi-Key) the $49(US) bundle. Now I will have a backup STK500 and the Dragon.
PS: Read is another of those english words that can have different meanings
 
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tubecut wrote:
Glad I read the post. I just ordered (from Digi-Key) the $49(US) bundle. Now I will have a backup STK500 and the Dragon.
PS: Read is another of those english words that can have different meanings


When I looked this past Sunday, the pricing had CALL and it showed zero in stock. Having a backup STK500, I elected to just order my Dragon and forego the STK500.

What I should have done was, order two Dragons. Oh well, there will be a "Next Time".

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Carl, I just ordered the part and , according to sales, was in stock. The digi-key web site showed Qty One. So, I am not sure if I got the last one or not. I have never used JTAG before except on a MicroChip product and it had a slow update. I am hoping that the Dragon will allow in circuit debugging with not a lot of problems. I have read several post and it seems there are problems (?) using the Dragon. Oh well. I will soon see.
 
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Digikey also has this: AVRDEVKIT2-ND = BUNDLE ATSTK500 + ATJTAGICE2 for $150


if thats real a jtagice2 for half price is a great deal!
thanks for the heads up...ordered the one remaining ATdevkit2-nd in stock...

Although the ATdevkit2-nd shows no more stock they do have over 100 of the ATSTK500 and over a hundred of the ATJTAGICE2 in stock..so just maybe if one backorders them they will CREATE a ATdevkit2-nd from available inventory...

tubecut..I believe the good thing about that dragon bundle you ordered is that the 6 pin jumper cable you need for the Dragon for DBW is included in the STK500 kit (not sure) and like many others have found out is missing from the Dragon by itself! So you may be ready to go when you get it...
 
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tubecut wrote:

PS: Read is another of those english words that can have different meanings


Huh? In my "book" it only has two tenses, present and past....not different meanings, unless you might be confusing it with "reed".

But who am I to dispute it.... Rolling Eyes

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Update on the $49.00 purchase. Late yesterday evening I received a call from Digi-Key. I was told , sorry, but the parts are not in stock. It was indicated that about a week before the parts are in .
 
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I've got a question pending with DigiKey about the same issue. The part 'AVRDEVKIT1-ND' is listed for 37.98, but not on stock. I have not head back from them yet (asked on Wednesday).

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I too ran into the AVRDEVKIT1-ND stk500/jtag mkii kit when I was looking for just a jtag mkii. Funny how an MKii costs $300, but the kit costs $150. I ignored it and just assumed it was some sort of glitch in Digi-Key. Is that for real? They're showing no stock unfortunately.
 
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No- not a glitch.... it's for real. In this case, Digikey is probably waiting for non-ROHS units to come in from Atmel. It looks like a simple day-to-day wait at this point. I have my order in, and am willing to wait for the backorder to fill.
 
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rjbishop wrote:
No- not a glitch.... it's for real. In this case, Digikey is probably waiting for non-ROHS units to come in from Atmel. It looks like a simple day-to-day wait at this point. I have my order in, and am willing to wait for the backorder to fill.

So as earlier suggested - could Atmel be clearing out old stock? We've all heard the rumors of replacing the STK500. Could they also be looking to replace the JTAG MKII?
 
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Well everyone is having to move to RoHS and the STK500 and JTAGICEmkII are no less likely to be subject to this than anything else if the current designs aren't RoHS compliant. Otherwise Atmel have to say goodbye to the possibility of selling those items at all in Europe and I doubt they'd want to maintain to different build lines - one for the RoHS markets and one for the rest of the world.

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I too ran into the AVRDEVKIT1-ND stk500/jtag mkii kit when I was looking for just a jtag mkii. Funny how an MKii costs $300, but the kit costs $150. I ignored it and just assumed it was some sort of glitch in Digi-Key. Is that for real? They're showing no stock unfortunately.


I think I got the last one...it shipped this week so it is real...

Although the ATDEVKIT2-ND shows no more stock they do have over 100 of the ATSTK500 and over a hundred of the ATJTAGICE2 in stock..so just maybe if one decides to backorder the ATDEVKIT2-ND, Digikey will CREATE a ATDEVKIT2-ND from the available instock inventory...it really is only two individual items sold with probably some discount CODE/Rebate from ATMEL paid back to the distributor.
If you want a JtagICE2 for $150 savings what do you have to loose?
They either ship it or not!!!
 
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I just wish digikey wasn't the only option for getting these kind of deals.... like... why can't Mouser have them, too?

sure, it's fine if you live in the USA. but digikey shipping rates to australia are nuts. As a result, we order pretty much everything that we could get from digikey, from mouser. except mouser don't seem to stock AVR accessories...

meh.

anyway - I have a jtagice mk2 for work, and recently bought an avr dragon for home. I guess I don't need anything else for now..
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Just ordered my JTAG ICE MKII and STK500 Smile from Digikey. Even though shipping prices are equally ridicolous for INDIA as they are for Antarctica but then there is no choice Sad left for an AVR freak here.

It said 0 available in stock but when u view your order then you can click on the backorder link and it says since it is a promotion they will combine different parts and ship them together Smile. So please dont back off if you see 0 available quantity.

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Yep- don't let the backorder scare you. I put in my order for AVRDEVKIT2 on Thursday, and it was shipped on Friday afternoon.
 
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A number of people have questioned whether the deal is real or whether stock is out. Here's my experience. When I first saw the item, I too thought it was some kind of glitch. I almost thought it would be ripping Digi-Key off to push a sale through.

I called Digi-Key to inquire. The salesperson didn't know what the kit was and thought the lead time was 8 weeks. However, she put me through to a tech who called Atmel directly to get the details and verify pricing. The price on the web was $61.25, but Atmel came back and said the price should be lowered to $49! Also, Atmel verified that the kit is nothing more than an STK500 and a Dragon, with nothing added or subtracted, so it only requires that Digi-Key pull both items to make the kit. Then after some further investigation, the salesperson found that there were people in Digi-Key's warehouse already pulling STK500 and Dragons for the bundles and setting up their database and sales system to be able to sell the kits. They couldn't ship the kits until this was done because it "would screw up their whole system," as I was told. My order shipped the following day, after they'd done whatever setup they needed to do.

So, I think it's real.
 
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shadaba wrote:

It said 0 available in stock but when u view your order then you can click on the backorder link and it says since it is a promotion they will combine different parts and ship them together Smile. So please dont back off if you see 0 available quantity.

Eat LEAD Razz

yes, I was tricked by this before and didnt happen to click the "value add" link (because I thought it meant add another or something stupid like that).

Oh well my order is in now, thanks Smile

btw 218 dragons and 85 stk500s in stock atm.
 
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I called Digi-Key and asked about the AVRDEVKIT2-ND deal. They said lead time is about 1 week and that it is a special 3-month promotion from Atmel.

Man that is sweet.
 
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My order has just been shipped Very Happy .. even though it costs me 194$ including shipping and all .. i am very happy .. i was infact planning to buy JTAG ICE MK2 anyway . and free STK500 with it not bad to keep as a spare kit Smile ... saved more than 200$ Smile


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I was also in the position of needing a new JTAGICE mkII soon anyway. So I ordered the kit too. It also shipped today, despite being marked as being on "value add" backorder on Friday.
 
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Just a note that Digikey lists both bundles as ROHS compliant, so clearing old (!!) inventory doesn't check out as the reason for this change. My own suspicion is that new products are on the way ... a devboard based on an at90usb1286 USB link would work directly with a lot more hosts nowadays than one using RS232, and given the Dragon clearly the JTAGICE mkII can clearly be cost-reduced by quite a lot, especially if you're willing to be USB-only. High speed USB could speed things up too, and maybe there are AVR32 products that could use more than the mkII offers. Me, I'm soon to try AVR32 studio on Linux. Wink

Just speculation in good fun! Regardless of the reason, it can only be good if more AVR developers have access to on-chip debugging tools; it can really improve productivity.
 
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I went to Digikey and for the Dragon/STK500 bundle, (Digikey part number AVRDEVKIT1-ND), and it indicated 0 in stock but when I put 1 in for the requested quantity it gave me an estimated ship date of tomorrow.

Then I put in a requested quantity of 10 and it still listed a ship date of tomorrow.

Didn't place the order as I need to figure a few other things I need.
 
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Just bought one now. Got the same info about the expected shipping date of tomorrow.

Guess we'll see. Smile

Awesome deal assuming it goes through.

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.....This promotion sounds to me like this: perhaps Atmel is going to place on the market a new STK500 USB dev-board?
 
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In episode 2 of AVR Television, an upgrade to the STK500 called STK600 was briefly mentioned. It will be compatible with the full range of AVR 8-bit as well as the new UC3 line of the AVR32 platform. No further details on dW/JTAG support, price or peripherals. Maybe we'll get to see it in episode 3?
 
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just received Devkit2 bundles..now what to do with the free so to speak STK500 Question , bought the bundle for the Jtag2 !!!!! Looks like some people are selling them NEW on Ebay.....
 
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Just bought one now. Got the same info about the expected shipping date of tomorrow.

Guess we'll see. Smile

Awesome deal assuming it goes through.

Thanks for the heads-up,
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Well it shipped today (2nd day after order) which is nice and fast. Too bad they split my order up and shipped twice (at my cost) instead of just waiting one day and charging the orginally quoted price. I guess from now on I'll have to be careful to explicitly request everything ship at once.

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Too bad they split my order up and shipped twice (at my cost) instead of just waiting one day and charging the orginally quoted price.

That's always a tough one. In other cases, a person/company might think the opposite: ship what you have now 'cause I only want to wait for the exceptions.

Make sure that (especially like in this case where you anticipate the situation) you put "ship complete" or similar in the notes. [IIRC, DigiKey just made an adjustment to that policy--are you sure that you were charged for the second shipment?]

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Too bad they split my order up and shipped twice (at my cost) instead of just waiting one day and charging the orginally quoted price.

That's always a tough one. In other cases, a person/company might think the opposite: ship what you have now 'cause I only want to wait for the exceptions.

Make sure that (especially like in this case where you anticipate the situation) you put "ship complete" or similar in the notes. [IIRC, DigiKey just made an adjustment to that policy--are you sure that you were charged for the second shipment?]

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Yeah I just checked again and both the 'initial shipment' and 'subsequent shipment' had a shipping fee associated with them. I kind of thought that if they were going to charge more as a result of shipping twice they'd ask first but it's not the end of the world. The kit is still an awesome deal and in the future I'll just put 'ship complete' or something like you suggested in the comments field.

It would be nice if they explicitly asked you somewhere in the ordering checklist whether or not you wanted to wait for a complete order before shipping like Amazon and such do but now that I know to do it it shouldn't be a problem anymore. Smile

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I added one of the bundles to my cart on DigiKey's site. It shows up as a "Value Add" item, which means DigiKey assembles/bundles it on demand. They do this with a bunch of items like cables, they keep the parts on hand and make them as they're ordered.
 
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What can I say... I'm impressed.

BOTH orders arrived well packed and organized and it took around 24 hours from the time they said they shipped it until it was at my door in both cases... I understand overnighting something is done regularly but I thought it usually cost a fair bit more than $8 CDN. (Less than $7 USD.) Especially considering it was shipped internationally...

I'm also pleasantly surprised with the size of both boards. For some reason I thought the STK500 was around the size of a motherboard, maybe 8"x11" or something but it's much smaller and lighter which is nice. The dragon is tiny! Smile

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Good thing to do is to put the dragon in a small case. Too easy to have it short to something and do damage to itself.

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To the Australian shoppers at Digikey, recently they have added the United States Postal Service Global Express Mail as a delivery option. For a small order, this works out to be about $US25, plus $US6 processing fee. A lot better than the $US70+ that the couriers charge.
 
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I tried to order the JTAGICE2 package Friday, near the end of the business day, and got a phone call from Digi-Key a little while later telling me that one part (the STK500) was out of stock with no definite due date (which I had noticed on their website before I placed my order). I asked if they could just ship the part they had in stock (the JTAGICE2, which was all I really cared about) now, and either ship the STK500 later, or even not at all. The person who assembles the kits was out for the day, so the rep couldn't answer to the first option, and said she'd have to ask her supervisor and get back to me on the second. Ultimately, she emailed back that she couldn't sell me just the JTAGICE2 for $150. Sad I don't see why not, so I'm planning to call back on Monday and try to talk them into doing it. Has anyone else had a similar (or different) experience with the STK500 being out of stock?
 
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I tried to order the JTAGICE2 package Friday, near the end of the business day, and got a phone call from Digi-Key a little while later telling me that one part (the STK500) was out of stock with no definite due date (which I had noticed on their website before I placed my order). I asked if they could just ship the part they had in stock (the JTAGICE2, which was all I really cared about) now, and either ship the STK500 later, or even not at all. The person who assembles the kits was out for the day, so the rep couldn't answer to the first option, and said she'd have to ask her supervisor and get back to me on the second. Ultimately, she emailed back that she couldn't sell me just the JTAGICE2 for $150. I don't see why not, so I'm planning to call back on Monday and try to talk them into doing it.

but did she cancel the backorder? update MOnday on your success??

well if the objective was to clear the ATSTK500 stock then in about a week the AVRFreaks accomplished that for them....so now Atmel can release the STK600 ?
maybe they will offer a promotion of some kind for that...

while I am waiting for that from Atmel.....
I see that Circuit Cellar has approved my Pic Contest participation and is going to provide me with some 50% off dev tool discounts and a bunch of freebie parts....curious about their in-circuit debugger and how well it works since it borrows some micro resources.....and some interesting 28 pin parts ....

incoming!!! Cool
 
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nleahcim wrote:
I too ran into the AVRDEVKIT1-ND stk500/jtag mkii kit when I was looking for just a jtag mkii. Funny how an MKii costs $300, but the kit costs $150. I ignored it and just assumed it was some sort of glitch in Digi-Key. Is that for real? They're showing no stock unfortunately.


I ordered one for $170.+ including sales tax and shipping with them saying they had zero in stock and I got it in two days. Laughing
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Yeah I just checked again and both the 'initial shipment' and 'subsequent shipment' had a shipping fee associated with them. I kind of thought that if they were going to charge more as a result of shipping twice they'd ask first but it's not the end of the world. The kit is still an awesome deal and in the future I'll just put 'ship complete' or something like you suggested in the comments field.

It would be nice if they explicitly asked you somewhere in the ordering checklist whether or not you wanted to wait for a complete order before shipping like Amazon and such do but now that I know to do it it shouldn't be a problem anymore.

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I had the same problem. Heres the deal, there is supposed to be a question that shows up asking you if you would like to ship items as they are available, or only when all are available.

The thing is this doesnt show up for some reason now (it did when I put a prev order in many months ago). It could be because the dragon is a value-add item, but I suspect it is a bug (as I tried with a normal part that was out of stock too).

So from now on I will put this info in the comments section. Smile
 
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but did she cancel the backorder? update MOnday on your success??

well if the objective was to clear the ATSTK500 stock then in about a week the AVRFreaks accomplished that for them....so now Atmel can release the STK600 ?
maybe they will offer a promotion of some kind for that...
She did cancel the backorder, which is what I asked her to do if they couldn't ship me anything now. I called back today and talked to someone different, who put me on hold and talked to two others about the deal. She came back and told me that the discount is from the manufacturer, and they won't give the discount unless you buy both parts at the same time, and they're out of stock on one of the two parts (STK500), so they can't sell the other one (JTAGICE2) at the package price nor ship them separately. She agreed that it didn't make much sense. Oh well, I guess it pays to be quick.

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I wish I looked more closely at this thread before ordering, I got hit by the Digikey double-shipping bug, too. I bought the JTAGICE set + a few small ICs, and the ICs came with their own box, foam peanuts, and $7.80 shipping bill.
I'm mad enough to raise some heck for it, it's not my problem that their order system has no sense. If I can't trust that my next pack of resistors won't come in a million little next-day pouches, why should I hand them my credit card? Whether it's trust or just a sense of predictability, they broke it, and I'll think twice before throwing an order at Digikey again.
In the meantime, I've added Mouser and Jameco to my Firefox search box, it never hurts to shop around.

Followup: Digikey straightened it out. They refunded the extra shipping charge, with a little prodding. I'm happy now.


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Gah!, I almost ordered a Dragon and STK500 from Soanar here in australia.

Total price would have been 70+120*1.1=$209 AUD

Price with the special is 49+27*1.25=$95!! AUD

That saved me enough to buy a stack of QT100's as well

I'm glad that i am back here!, i may miss out on the free dragons, etc but the knowledge is invaluable.
 
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If anyone actually manages to order either package despite the STK500 still being out of stock at Digi-Key, please post here to keep us (okay, me) updated. Thanks.

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If anyone actually manages to order either package despite the STK500 still being out of stock at Digi-Key, please post here to keep us (okay, me) updated. Thanks.

Aaron T.


Go ahead and order it on backorder, so far Digikey will not cancel unless you request it. Digikey may never fill the order (and charge you) but if they do you have everything to gain and nothing to loose especially if you order the ATDEVKIT2-ND (with JtagIce2)! I did get some, but I have some more on backorder for associates and if others on this forum do the same then maybe the word will get back up to Atmel to "somehow" fulfill the promotion OR they better remove it from Digikey website. Until then you at least have the option to backorder.

Just speculating but wouldn't that be cool if a bunch of people backordered the ATDEVKIT1 or 2 and having no more ATSTK500 in the pipe , then Atmel fullfilled the backorders with NEW ATSTK600's....that would create a lot of drool!!!!
Go ahead and gamble..probably better odds than the lottery! Shocked
 
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I ordered one with the JTAGIce and it is on backorder.
Let's see what happens with this one, but I could use a JTAGIce at that price.

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I ordered one on Friday also. I checked the inventories first and there were 10 left??? Anyway...it came up as backordered also. They must have had a bunch of orders all at once (maybe due to some forum chat......) Razz

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Same for me, one more DEVKIT2 on backorder now.
Fullfilling the orders with a STK600 would be very nice Mr. Green

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Too late Sad
Ordered, but Digikey wrote me: "no delivery date available". I canceled the backorder Sad
 
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Ordered, but Digikey wrote me: "no delivery date available". I canceled the backorder


not sure about ordering from Digikey in Italy and availability of ROHS compliant STK500 may have something to do with that, but they have not contacted me about my order one way or the other on this side of the ocean and we are still filling the slag heaps with lead so ROHS is not an issue...I am going to let my order "Squat" unless they cancel them...they may never fill them, but likewise they will not charge me unless they do...nothing to loose!

While not one of my best attributes..as in patience..but usually for those that are patient, happiness finds you!!! In this case "happiness" would be fullfilling my order and a "Great deal of Happiness" would be shipping me STK600's instead of the discontinued STK500 with my order!!!! Very Happy

last but not least ,I am not entirely sure that Atmel sales does not know about this thread..... Cool
 
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I called Digi-Key today and they said that the avrdevkit2 would ship in about a week. I suspect the person I talked to was mistaken, even though I grilled them about the STK500 being out of stock. Argh. I think I'll still put in an order tomorrow though.
 
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Hi,
Digi-Key contacted me by email, asking if I wish to keep the item on order. And after answering yes, I get the response that it will be shiped as soon as the part is available.
Perhaps this will be never, but as bluegoo wrote ... nothing to loose Smile

CU

BTW. nice service from Digi-Key to send personalized email including direct contact person also to a small hobby customer like me and ask what to do. Best you can get here in germany in such a case is an automated answer from a mail robot that the order is just canceled .
"Servicewste" Evil or Very Mad (sorry cant translate this)

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I was just forwarded an e-mail that was sent by a marketing manager at Atmel. He said that the promotion is a 3 month promotion that is designed to bring in new people into the AVR world, not get rid of old stock. The e-mail also mentioned something that I had not noticed - there's a link to the promotion on the Atmel AVR page: http://www.atmel.com/products/avr/

Sounds like there's just this temporary stock problem - and that the order will go through just fine.

I'll be putting my order in tomorrow! Smile
 
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After deleting backorder, Digikey wrote me as follows:

"...keep checking on line as these kits could be available at any time..."
 
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Well, I put in my order today for the JTAGICE2 kit. I got a call within about an hour from Digi-Key. The guy I spoke with there had the funniest accent - straight out of the movie Fargo. I really had trouble not laughing.

Anyways - he told me it'll ship in a week. I talked to him about the STK500 being the thing causing the backorder - and he confirmed this and repeated that it'll ship within a week.
 
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Well, I put in my order today for the JTAGICE2 kit. I got a call within about an hour from Digi-Key. The guy I spoke with there had the funniest accent - straight out of the movie Fargo. I really had trouble not laughing.

Anyways - he told me it'll ship in a week. I talked to him about the STK500 being the thing causing the backorder - and he confirmed this and repeated that it'll ship within a week.

Great! 50% off and a Free SKT500. Sweeeeeeeet!
They had 0 in stock and I got mine in only two days. Laughing
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Would this offer be a good starter kit ? I had a butterfly a long time ago, it quickly died, so for a while I quit trying. Now I'm interested again in doing something productive during my spare time.
 
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Would this offer be a good starter kit ? I had a butterfly a long time ago, it quickly died, so for a while I quit trying. Now I'm interested again in doing something productive during my spare time.

For 8 bit it's great!
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Can you order only one kit at a time?
When I try to buy >1, it tells me, the limit was exceeded.
 
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Sorry, I only ordered one. I Don't know, but bet someone here will.
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Now I'm interested again in doing something productive during my spare time.


Butterfly IMHO is just a demo-board, non a dev-board.
 
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Butterfly IMHO is just a demo-board, non a dev-board.

Try telling www.smileymicros.com that !

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Butterfly IMHO is just a demo-board, non a dev-board.

A fine line, though, I think you'll agree. What is the definition of "dev-board" anyway?

There are some awfully fancy dev boards for AVRs that have come out over the years. Most general boards have slots for several/many AVR model lines, plus buttons & LEDs and some kind of commo. Then maybe some toyz like displays and RTC and storage.

So these are roughly the size and price of the STK500--say, US$100 give-or-take a factor of 2.

Now, what are you going to do with it when your "dev" (say, the proof-of-concept of a new app) is done? You can either rip off everything to re-use the dev board and never (probbly Wink ) be able to rebuild it the same way again, or you can keep it intact & get another dev board.

Where people have cleverly applied the Butterfly is in one-off/short-run apps. What do we look around for a suitable board in the junk bins when one of these app comes up? A micro; a display; some user input; a commo link; maybe some storage. The Butterfly has all that, and at US$20--can't build it for that. So we see the projects where the Butterfly becomes the permanent controller.

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An interesting question - maybe any board that still has the ISP or JTAG/dW pins still accessible is a "dev board" because (unless the nasty so-and-so's have set RSTDISBL) you can take control and DEVelop your own AVR program on it (within the constraints of what the hardware is already tied up to)

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clawson wrote:
An interesting question - maybe any board that still has the ISP or JTAG/dW pins still accessible is a "dev board" because (unless the nasty so-and-so's have set RSTDISBL) you can take control and DEVelop your own AVR program on it (within the constraints of what the hardware is already tied up to)

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When I first got my Butterfly I felted much like you. Thinking this butterfly is a joke Ill never use it! But reality struck in the form of my inexperience in electronics. What I discovered was these thing are very useful, you can test about any concept with them and this really helped me learn how to use the tools and tool chains available in the 8-bit world.
Beside, they are cute, portable, fun to show off and even students wont cry, that much, when letting the magic smoke out of them for $20.00.
True now that I got the SKT500 and 1000 I dont use it that much but what if I need to test a third node in a net or test a design where it might be destroyed in the crash.
Ill bet it will remain useful until I see a kid who wants to learn more.
Youre right it certainly isnt a development board in the terms I normally think of. But I really like thinking out of the box.
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I got similar contact from Digi-Key (USA) and the next week I did receive the STK500/dragon kit.
It would be difficult to disagree with the DEV board description by Clawson, if it has the "DEV" connectors, it must be designed for the user to DEVelope on.
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It would be difficult to disagree with the DEV board description by Clawson, if it has the "DEV" connectors, it must be designed for the user to DEVelope on.


By this definition the Butterfly, when sitting on Smileys 'Butterfly carrier' clearly a development board. It has the 'Dev' connectors and even a bit of breadboard for prototyping !

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I don't know if anybody noticed but the price for the STK500 alone shot up to about $135 on digikey when I just checked.

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That makes the package an even better bargain. Wink
 
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Dummie wrote:
Now I'm interested again in doing something productive during my spare time.


Butterfly IMHO is just a demo-board, non a dev-board.
Officially it is an 'evaluation' board for the ATmega169 - unofficially its a rampaging little beast: http://www.smileymicros.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=30&MMN_position=52:52

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Just received in an email from Atmel (We are on "alert" mailing lists as well as being Certified AVR Consultants and have gone to various seminars so I cannot tell exactly the reason):
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Deep discounts on AVR tools:

STK500
AVR Dragon
JTAGICE2
Find out why Atmel's AVR MCUs are the fastest-growing and #1 8-bit microcontroller of choice for ultra low power and high-performance applications.

Click here

The "Click here" link is to a DigiKey search result on "AVRDEVKIT":
http://atmel.cc/dbm83/l.html?45072& ... dkcid=1971

http://www.digikey.com/scripts/dksearch ... dkcid=1971
 
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If i buy the stk500 do i also need to get some microcontrollers to program ??
Or is it something like butterfly ?

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I bought the devkit w/ dragon and STK500 and I think it comes with an atmega16.

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As well as the AT90S8515-8PC that comes with STK500 itself.

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Markus: I was mentioning only boards that contain the
developement connections. If you have to add additional equipment, then , the original board, that doesn't have the developement connectors, would not IMHO, be a development board. Adding the additional equipment makes for a development tool/system.
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I just called Digi-Key. The STK-500s are scheduled to arrive on Sunday (yeah - that seems odd to me too), so kits should be shipping soon after that.

Can't wait to get my Jtag ice mkii!
 
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I hope this is the case. I placed an order this morning seeing on their order system that they were expecting in the STK500s on the 29th but they called me this morning and said they dont know when they can fulfill my order. I mentioned that their order system indicated they would be getting more STK500s soon and the JTagIceII was indicated as being in stock. But the representative said they did not even have a date when they would be getting a shipment from the factory.

So I told them to keep my order open and I'll keep my fingers crossed!
 
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Can you ask them to ship separately? You'll pay the $5 or so extra for shipping, but at least you can play with the mkii or dragon in the meantime.

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Someone above said they had to ship together...

I'll wait till next week when both are in stock and call again and ask if they can ship my order.

These are their estimates on when they're receiving STK500s:

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Does digikey always ships parts separately if something is not in stock ? I ordered the combo stk500 / dragon and some LEDs. Today i got a big box and in that box lots of paper, after unwrapping all the paper I found 3 LEDs.
 
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Dummie wrote:
Does digikey always ships parts separately if something is not in stock ? I ordered the combo stk500 / dragon and some LEDs. Today i got a big box and in that box lots of paper, after unwrapping all the paper I found 3 LEDs.

Yes, unless you tell them otherwise.
 
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I did the same. Since they had to "assemble" my STK500/Dragon combo (read "assemble" as "put one box on top of the other") they decided to ship my 2 ATMega32's by themselves and then ship the combo later that day. At $8 each instead of together, too...

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When ordering from Digi-Key there is a text box and what I did was entered that all should ship at one time and instead of using a credit card I selected for them to call for verification ( it's up to them to call and get your credit info and to verify the message).

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I finally received my STK500 + JTAG ICE MK2 Bundle Smile .. As much as i rant abt life being hard for an AVR Freak here in INDIA .. you can see now how i received my bundle :

-> April 7th - Placed the Order on Digikey

-> April 10th - Order is shipped - 150$ for kit + 6$ for international handling + 38$ for shipping = 194$

-> April 24th - Receive a call from Foreign Post office in New Delhi. They say my local post office rejected my package and they are about to send it back to US. They ask me to come immedietly with a letter for them to resend it to my local post office. I scooted from my work for 20 miles (to and back each) to the foreign post office

-> Later on April 24th -> After explaining that the post man never ever came to my home with the package and being forced to pay 5$ bribe they say they will resend the package back to my local post office. Total cost = 194$ + 5$ bribe

-> April 26th - Receive a call from the local post office. Postman asks me to come to post office and collect the package. I asked why wudnt he come to my home to deliver , he says the postman of my area is on leave.

-> Later on April 26th - I was at work so i sent my brother to the post office. He walks 2 mile to the post office only to be told to come later as they were having lunch

-> Further later on April 26th - My brother again goes to the post office in New Delhi 105F heat. Pays 50$ customs duty and finally gets the package Sad .

Total Cost = 249$
Time taken = 16 days since it was shipped by digikey
Distance i had to travel here in the capital = 45 miles

Most of my excitement has died .. but i guess it will again emerge once i get my hands on the kit Smile

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Shadaba,


Did you received it in a good condition?

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I just did a chat with Digi-Key. The new date for the STK500 is May 25th. I asked about receiving the instock portion of the kit ahead of time. Sherri told me that due to restrictions on the Atmel promotion they have to ship the items together. Presently approximately 200 STK500s are on back order with Digikey. The shipment expected on 5/25 is supposed to more than cover the back-order, but she did not quote a quantity they are expected. Digi-Key is trying to expedite this with Atmel, but so far no luck.
Therefore, it looks like if we order now, we may have the items by the end of May.
 
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Oha,
seems that Digi-Key doubled the prices also for the AVRDEVKITs. At least on their german site.
I ordered a AVRDEVKIT2 at 116.28, now its listed 255.80!
AVRDEVKIT1 changed from around 40-50 to 98.76 Shocked
Hope I get mine for the old price.

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Looks like there was a delay in getting more STK500s. These were the estimates on 4/24:

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443 4/29/2007
162 5/2/2007
1000 5/3/2007


These are the new shipping estimates:
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1000 6/28/2007
 
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Digikey just shipped mine Ordered on 17th april, shipped 27th april

Oddly enough just after i asked about it by e-mail

But i'm not complaining!

I can't wait i need it to debug a serial problem i'm having!

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Digikey just shipped mine Ordered on 17th april, shipped 27th april

Oddly enough just after i asked about it by e-mail

But i'm not complaining!

I can't wait i need it to debug a serial problem i'm having!


I just got the notification for my shipment as well!

I was not sure that they would ever ship these.. This is great news!! Especially considering I paid $300 for my jtag alone just over a month ago (before I heard of this "promotion")

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Digi-Key shipped my order today as well. I spoke with them earlier today and they said that they'd be shipping out a whole load of them today, and the next time they'd be shipping them would be near the end of May! Glad I was in this batch!
 
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Really great news. Mine is also on the way Very Happy Very Happy
(ordered on 17th april too)

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I ordered mine on the 16th and also got a shipment notice today....
Great to see them ship a bunch and excited to get the JTAGICE at this price!

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Hi, everyone

Digi-Key Part Number AVRDEVKIT2-ND
Description = BUNDLE ATSTK500 + ATJTAGICE2
Contents = ATSTK500, ATJTAGICE

I'm confused for ATJTAGIVE2 should be different from
ATJTAGIVE?
 
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The ATJTAGICE hasn't been available from Atmel/Digikey for a long long time now so there's no doubt that the device they are talking about is the mkII

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clawson wrote:
The ATJTAGICE hasn't been available from Atmel/Digikey for a long long time now so there's no doubt that the device they are talking about is the mkII

thanks a lot, clawson
 
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I got my STK500 and JTAG ICE MKII today! It was shipped via USPS priority mail.

Man - I am surprised that they don't include power supplies with either. Especially the JTAG ICE MKII - I mean you'd think they could spare the $2 for the power supply when it normally costs $300.

Any suggestions for power supplies? One is not needed for the JTAGICE MKII if you're using USB, right?
 
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One is not needed for the JTAGICE MKII if you're using USB, right?


That is correct. It is needed when using the RS-232 port. For myself, I use the MkII with USB 100% of the time so I'd never both hooking up a power supply.

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The UPS people just kicked me out of my bed this morning, puting a nice packet from Digi-Key into my hands.
Cant await the holiday tomorrow to play with my new toys Very Happy

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wahhhhh!
My dragon arrived but no one was here to let her in!
now i have to go to the depot friday morning to pick her up, or i won't be able to play on the weekend

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I got mine yesterday! Woo hoo. Works great (under windoze). The problem is under Linux using the CDK-AVR chain, (which also woks great, by the way) I cannot get the STK500 board to interface with my laptop's serial port (using a USB to serial adapter). Has anyone tried this successfully? I have no serial ports on the laptop...
Oh, and that means I have to purchase some more parts for the Dragon, such as a ZIF socket and a couple of headers (never ending cycle, it seems).
 
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My order was placed the 23 of april and i just got a mail with the ups tracking number huray!!!, sounds a lot better than the end of May!!
 
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Maximilian wrote:
My order was placed the 23 of april and i just got a mail with the ups tracking number huray!!!, sounds a lot better than the end of May!!


I placed an order for the STK500/Dragon kit, April 29th. There has been no confirmation on shipping, to date...

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They shipped mine today too. Which is strange because I've been checking every day and they have never indicated having STK500s in stock. In fact if you check now these are the shipping estimates for STK500s:

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Mine shipped today too; I ordered on 23 April. They must have a secret stash or a few trickling in and they're shipping in order received order.
 
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Oh, forgot to say mine is the stk500 + jtagmkii
 
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Mine shipped today also. Ill probably ask u all for help as soon as i get it since i don't know much about programming AVRs. I already have a question, can I fix my poor broken butterfly using the stk ? I have the fuse bits messed up because of batteries that were dying. From what people told me i need a programmer, will stk do the job ?
 
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My kit (AVRDEVKIT1) arrived after ~2 weeks backordered. Unbeatable deal!

I wish Atmel would release more Dragon documentation 'into the wild' (I know it's available in AVR studio.) Kinda feel like a beta tester...
 
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(I know it's available in AVR studio.)

In what sense is that "not released" then? Or are you suggesting that they make the .chm available as a separate download?

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Dummie wrote:
Mine shipped today also. Ill probably ask u all for help as soon as i get it since i don't know much about programming AVRs. I already have a question, can I fix my poor broken butterfly using the stk ? I have the fuse bits messed up because of batteries that were dying. From what people told me i need a programmer, will stk do the job ?

It definitely will get you up and running again.

So would either the JTAGICE mkII or the Dragon. (whichever one you ordered...)
 
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clawson wrote:
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(I know it's available in AVR studio.)

In what sense is that "not released" then? Or are you suggesting that they make the .chm available as a separate download?

Well, for one thing, I'll have to install AVR Studio just for the documentation, even if I intend to use the Dragon w/avrdude in Linux...

Given the widespread distribution of stk500 PDFs, etc., AND the fact that the Dragon has been released for some time...it's a bit odd. I'm a firm believer that greater distribution of documentation isn't only helpful, it's an incentive to purchace a product (The digikey deal overcame any reluctance I might have had.)
 
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Maximilian wrote:
My order was placed the 23 of april and i just got a mail with the ups tracking number huray!!!, sounds a lot better than the end of May!!


They better ship my order placed on Apr 25th before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip. Microchip currently is running a 16bit design contest which you can buy a ICD2 + starter board for 99USD. Sounds a better deal to me.

I'm regreting just ordered AVR dragon+stk500. I should ordered icemkII which can be used with AVR32 as well. I don't want to wait until Jun 28th if I order it now.
 
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gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.


Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!!

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microcarl wrote:
gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.


Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!!


You won't gain anything. I'm not cancelling my order of STK500+Dragon. Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.
 
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UPS will deliver my pacage(STK/Dragon) today, have been lying behind the door since 8:00 (+1 european time)
Will report later when i finally have it

Dummie wrote:
Can I fix my poor broken butterfly using the stk ? I have the fuse bits messed up because of batteries that were dying. From what people told me i need a programmer, will stk do the job ?


The STK500 supports different kinds of programming(isp/high voltage) so it will be pretty safe to say it can with a fuse problem.

There are a lot of posts/fixes about this problem
 
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Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.


So then, as an avid Microchip proponent and, as it seems that you (your company) mind/s is (are) already made up, what was your attraction to the AVR in the first place?

I mean, here you are with a whole two posts to the AVRFreaks community and, you bust in with statements that will only start the hibitual AVR/Microchip war - a war tht has been waging for years and will never be victorious by ether side as, I think PICs suck and, you think AVRs suck. Those opinions aren't going to change. So, if your tenure with the AVRFreaks community is going to be that of AVR bashing, go over to the PIC community and bash AVR - not here!

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gongzi wrote:
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gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.


Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!!


You won't gain anything. I'm not cancelling my order of STK500+Dragon. Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.


I am trying to understand your methodology gongzi, but I am failing to do so.

What are you saying to your customer ? I choose supplier X because .... ????
 
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lpapad wrote:
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microcarl wrote:
gongzi wrote:
They better ship my order...before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip.


Your loss, our gain. All the more STK500s and Dragons for us dedicated AVR users!!!


You won't gain anything. I'm not cancelling my order of STK500+Dragon. Microchip will be promoted to primary chip in this project. We usually do pick 2 vendors as our suppliers and either one of MCUs can be used in production PCB. So in this case, atmel loses.


I am trying to understand your methodology gongzi, but I am failing to do so.

What are you saying to your customer ? I choose supplier X because .... ????


First of all, I have no problem with either AVR or PIC. I don't intend to start a WAR.

Both AVR and PIC code will be written in this case. So either one of them can be used during production. However, primary and backup will be recommended to production and it won't be changed in short term. There were lessons learned in long run. i.e. Vendor did increasing the mature products' price to force customer move to their newer products and it gets extremely hard to buy older products. I'm talking about something like over 10 years period. i.e. we are still using PIC16C57. Not 16c57c, not 16F57. It's priced twice as 57c and 6 times as f57. It would be nice to have a backup in this case.
 
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There are certain app areas where simple changes (of chip models) are important or a stumbling block, such as qualified medical devices. I don't play in that arena.

Beyond that, having any model available for 10 years nowadays -- any chip -- is a pipe dream IMO. Right now, for example, there are virtually no identical chips available from 3 to 5 years ago, as now they have all been shifted to lead-free/ROHS.

We are still supporting and repairing 20-year-old industrial devices, often substituting active chip models for those that are obsolete. Sometimes it does require a board change if we need to/want to change packages. The end result is often a less-expensive board that makes up for the redesign.

Re Atmel/AVR: the good ol' AT90Sxxxx from 10 years ago are long gone. You can't get an AT90S2313 or AT90S4433 or AT90S8515 or AT90S8535 anymore. For some of them it has been many years. But I have many models that I can drop into those processor slots without redoing the board; they are less expensive; they have more features.

IMO it is quite interesting designing for two dissimilar families, and then talk about the exact same model. It would seem like "generic" app code wouldn't take advantage of the plusses of each family.

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Maximilian wrote:
UPS will deliver my package(STK/Dragon) today, have been lying behind the door since 8:00 (+1 european time)
Will report later when i finally have it


Well it took a little bit longer....But it's here!!

Looks great, packaging by Digikey is great, everything was labeled very nicely.

STK500 looks great to, now i have to find an adapter somwhere.....
Let the programming begin!!!
 
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I'm having trouble understanding this. So you're going to develop two boards, master two different MCU architectures, maintain two different set of development, programming, debugging tools, etc.

Is this academic or government work?

Because it doesn't seem bottom line oriented, or similar to any situations I've seen in industry.


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Looks great, packaging by Digikey is great, everything was labeled very nicely.


Digikey definitely has the most excellent packaging.

I'm expecting mine within hours...
 
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Just a little update. Received the Devkit1 (Dragon + STK500 combo) and the dragon was DOA ( no leds on) so called Digi-Key and because the order is for both it is required that both be shipped back for the RMA (or RFE if you like). I asked that since it was only the dragon that was at fault why not just it.The reply was that it was to keep things in the respective P/N which is for both items.
 
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Just got a Dragon/STK-500 also

My gragon is just blinking in one led , when connecting to USB.
But i haven't installed the "Studio" USB Drivers afaik.
Hope that it is the only thing the blinking says.

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digitool wrote:
Just a little update. Received the Devkit1 (Dragon + STK500 combo) and the dragon was DOA ( no leds on) so called Digi-Key and because the order is for both it is required that both be shipped back for the RMA (or RFE if you like). I asked that since it was only the dragon that was at fault why not just it.The reply was that it was to keep things in the respective P/N which is for both items.



what a bummer!! hopefully tricky Dicky City is in the USA...could be a significant wait for the replacment especially if they have no more in stock....
maybe I was just lucky but all the Devkit promotions I ordered arrived working but then again I did not order Dragons but rather JtagIce2...users handling an uninsulated pcb on the workbench and death by static charge still makes me wonder about the robustness of the Dragon product design.. assuming Atmel's vendor tests each unit prior to putting it into the box then from that point on its simply a bit of luck and having to always being careful! Still have not smoked any Atmel devtool yet nor experienced any of the various issues other Freaks seem to experience.....except I wore out the flat ribbon connector on a Jtag header.
 
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Well they were going to ship me a new devkit (they said they were putting me at the top of the list ) but got a call back and said there were none in stock.The lady I spoke to was real nice and I emphasized that it was just the dragon that was not working and that the STK500 was OK so tomorrow we shall see if they will just let me return the dragon.

I already have a dragon so I'm not that bummed just that I was a little surprised at first-I was setting it up at home on a new vista laptop so at first I suspected the laptop but checked it against the other one when I got to work.

As far as being in the USA - I'm a few blocks away from a presidential library(BFD) if that helps.
 
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users handling an uninsulated pcb on the workbench and death by static charge still makes me wonder about the robustness of the Dragon product design..


I have a little trick I use for things like that. My main customer is constantly shipping me boards for which I develop firmware, and they are never in packages.

My trick is to cut out a piece of cardboard (from the box the board came in, which is guaranteed to be big enough) and attach it to the bottom of the board using insulated solid hookup wire - by punching holes in the cardboard and then using either mounting holes on the board, or in the case of the Dragon, wrapping the wire across it to trap it, then knotting the wire.

Works fine.

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users handling an uninsulated pcb on the workbench and death by static charge still makes me wonder about the robustness of the Dragon product design..


I have a little trick I use for things like that. My main customer is constantly shipping me boards for which I develop firmware, and they are never in packages.

My trick is to cut out a piece of cardboard (from the box the board came in, which is guaranteed to be big enough) and attach it to the bottom of the board using insulated solid hookup wire - by punching holes in the cardboard and then using either mounting holes on the board, or in the case of the Dragon, wrapping the wire across it to trap it, then knotting the wire.

Works fine.

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dmonn wrote:

Given the widespread distribution of stk500 PDFs, etc., AND the fact that the Dragon has been released for some time...it's a bit odd. I'm a firm believer that greater distribution of documentation isn't only helpful, it's an incentive to purchace a product


I agree.

when I was deciding to buy a dragon for my own use at home the other month, it really sucked having to download the entire 70+ MB absolute latest AVRstudio to my net computer at work, then sit through installing it (dev computer is not online, and I'm not a habitual software updater if all seems to be running fine for me with what I want to use) JUST TO CHECK WHAT AVRS THE DRAGON WOULD WORK ON!

Yes, a simple PDF with all the info on what I could expect from the dragon would have been really handy, and quite frankly, it's a bit retarded that the info isn't up there.
 
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gongzi wrote:

They better ship my order placed on Apr 25th before I changed my mind to switch back to microchip. Microchip currently is running a 16bit design contest which you can buy a ICD2 + starter board for 99USD. Sounds a better deal to me.

I'm regreting just ordered AVR dragon+stk500. I should ordered icemkII which can be used with AVR32 as well. I don't want to wait until Jun 28th if I order it now.


hahaha! you could have ordered a complete proper tool-set for your new microcontroller that you're planning to develop code on..... A full dev board with breakouts and options for any 8 bit AVR you'd like to test, plus a proper JTAG programmer and in circuit emulator for any 8 bit AVR..... for just US$150..... and you went for the slightly cheaper, but much more limited option? ....why would you do that?


PS, if all you want is an ISP programmer (like whats in that totally *awesome* US99 microchip deal) then just go and get an STK-500. it's got ISP and parallel programming built in.


PPS, if you need your tools before June 28, then buy them somewhere else. You don't have to buy from digikey. Yes they're more expensive elsewhere, but at least they're available... and even the cost of a full priced jtagice mk2 and a full priced STK500 is nothing compared to the dev costs of a substantial product.
 
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digitool wrote:
Just a little update. Received the Devkit1 (Dragon + STK500 combo) and the dragon was DOA ( no leds on) so called Digi-Key and because the order is for both it is required that both be shipped back for the RMA (or RFE if you like). I asked that since it was only the dragon that was at fault why not just it.The reply was that it was to keep things in the respective P/N which is for both items.

Thanks for the 'heads-up.' My original plan of immediately storing the (virginal) Dragon for the future and using the STK500 looks like a bad move...

With the # of failure reports here (admittedly anecdotal), better setup and test the Dragon before storage.
 
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Wonderful...Are you from Europe? Then it's only 98,76!! Digikey for any registered user from euro's area...place this bundlekit at about 100$...
 
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Sorry you are way too late !!!
Two weeks ago the price for AVRDEVKIT1 was 37,98 Mr. Green

Btw. I paid 116,28 for a AVRDEVKIT2 Razz

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fbi wrote:
Sorry you are way too late !!!


Too late?! I am very happy to NOT buy (anything) from Digikey...it isn't serious a company that sells the same product three times for the europe.
 
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After two weeks of waiting. The AVRDEVKIT1
was arrived. But my order is AVRDEVKIT1 + AVRDEVKIT2.
Digikey seprate the delivery.I suppose that Digikey
would charge me another USD$60 for AVRDEVKIT2 shipping.
Anyone has similar experience?
 
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Well, Digi-Key notified me that my STK500/Dragon kit shipped today. The shiping notice comes exactly two weeks from the day that the order was placed. Though, they still show no actual STK500/Dragon kits in stock. The kit is shown as "Quantity Available 0 - Value Added Item."

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I just ordered my STK500/Dragon kit from Digikey today (05-16-07) and was told my order should ship two weeks from today. Hopefully they will get it back in stock soon!
 
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That's it i'm ordering a JTAG II as well!

I'll sell the STK500 on e-bay!

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Mine has shipped as well, less than two weeks after ordering.
 
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My STK500 + Dragon just shipped from Digikey, so they had at least one yet. About 7 days from order to ship.

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I got my STK500/Dragon kit today. UPS said that it would be be delivered this coming Monday. It was three days early. It's cool with me...

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Ordered my STK500/Dragon kit yesterday. Thought I would post in this thread in case it becomes one of those threads where Atmel decides to give something away Smile .
 
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dmcinnes wrote:
That's it i'm ordering a JTAG II as well!

I'll sell the STK500 on e-bay!

Darren


It's shipped already!
2 Days!

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jasonsp6 wrote:
I just ordered my STK500/Dragon kit from Digikey today (05-16-07) and was told my order should ship two weeks from today. Hopefully they will get it back in stock soon!

UPDATE: Two days later... To my surprise I received an email from Digikey saying my STK500/Dragon kit was shipped out today!
 
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tedavr wrote:
After two weeks of waiting. The AVRDEVKIT1
was arrived. But my order is AVRDEVKIT1 + AVRDEVKIT2.
Digikey seprate the delivery.I suppose that Digikey
would charge me another USD$60 for AVRDEVKIT2 shipping.
Anyone has similar experience?

You can tell them to wait for everything to be ready before shipping. That is what I typically do. You will be charged for both shipping fees.
 
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just ordered my AVRDEVKIT2
hoping ill sell the STK500 for a good price Smile

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Ordered AVRDEVKIT2 on Friday, shipped today. They have 239 STK500's now.
 
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Cool! Thanks for the notice, I've ordered as well.
 
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You mean the ICE is worth over $200? And you can get it with the STK500 all for $150????

That's the deal of a lifetime!

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True it's a briliant strategy.

They will double the number of people seriously working with avr's.

They have done something simmilar with their AVR32 NGW100 for $73.10 from Digikey

Linux, 2x ethernet, sd socket, serial, port and usb!!!

it does need a jtag II to debug though!

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UPDATE: I got my AVRDEVKIT1 today (exactly one week after ordering). I can't wait to open it up and play with it tonight! Smile
 
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i got mine jtag icemk II + stk 500 delivered and its good.

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