Low Energy Nuclear Reactions from Italy?

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It exists for quite some time now.

It might, or it might not. As I noted above, there has been no independent proof of the results. AFAIK it is only Andrea Rossi's word so far.
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And please do not be too naive when you try to answer this question.

I would say that believing w/o any substantial proof is naive.

More here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Catalyzer

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I thought after my initial missive, I thought I better Google Andrea Rossi's E-CAT. Well, my suspicions were pretty well confirmed I believe, he is just a flim-flam man!
I note that a well respected businessman in Australia, fas wagered him a $1,000,000 to demonstrate a working model, which Rossi cleverly declined!

Charles Darwin, Lord Kelvin & Murphy are always lurking about!
Lee -.-
Riddle me this...How did the serpent move around before the fall?

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I have heard from someone else that some Australians are also working on the same thing.

Of course anyone having some knowledge of this may just disappear into thin air so we all better play safe and claim "ve know nuthing, nuthing,nuthing!".

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This is a good time to review the cold fusion claims from Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann. Here's a relatively neutral article from a couple of years ago:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7959183.stm

The history of Rossi's claim seems to be following a similar path. Have we learned nothing in 20 years?

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I have heard from someone else that some Australians are also working on the same thing.

Was it from some dude called "Aussie Guy E-Cat"? He claims to have replicated Pons & Fleischmann, which makes me very suspicious.

- S

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Yup! We've learned that we don't learn anything from experience.

Also, history is full of valid claims being thought flim-flam, and the other way 'round.

Torby

 

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On one video, Rossi shows some steam coming out of a rubber hose that he says is produced by "the reaction". It did require about 740 watts of heat to produce it though. My electric jug will produce more steam than that, without any of the hocus- pocus.
Of course if his system produced energy than you put in , it should be a self-sustaining reaction, which he says can't be done because of stability issues. Snake oil!

Charles Darwin, Lord Kelvin & Murphy are always lurking about!
Lee -.-
Riddle me this...How did the serpent move around before the fall?

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Absolutely - time and time again, all these "magic" energy sources always require some sort of external power to work, be it a battery, mains power or something else. If something really is putting out more energy than you put in, you should be able to power it from itself.

While I do believe we have yet to unlock some secrets of the universe, I doubt some guys "secret magic sauce" will be it. This is the Steorn Orbo all over again.

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It's routine to get kilowatt-hours of power out of chemical reactions. We generally call such reactors "batteries" or "furnaces". If the experimenter puts "a kW or so" into the mass for an hour, and it doesn't liquify and burn through the floor, there must be a substantial quantity of nickel available to react. One must offset one's expectations of reduced cooking and heating costs against the cost of substantial quantities of pure nickel, which is undoubtedly consumed in the reaction. As for the copper, Occam's Razor suggests that contamination or sloppy experimental procedures are more likely than nuclear transmutation.

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why is not commercially available?

or if you believe in massive conspiracies, why hasn't the Italian government stolen the secret sauce and used it to solve their country's finance problems?

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some Australians are also working on the same thing.

Scamming people? No doubt!

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While I do believe we have yet to unlock some secrets of the universe, I doubt some guys "secret magic sauce" will be it.
I thought that Burger King had a corner on the market for secret sauces anyways (or was that McDonald's?).

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Steve A.

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